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  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Why not release it at the start of summer? Maybe they have thought this out, it's possible. Orders for the first how many units are already in hand at the large dealers for MSRP sales, that will take how many months of deliveries before any units actually get to a dealer to sit on the lot? There will be a few small volume dealers that will not take an order and get a few units that they will try to maximize return on, +$10k, maybe even +$25k for somebody that wants to bump into line that didn't plan ahead. Always a few with more $'s than good sense. If that does last for 6 to 8 months we are right around to Spring and the market demand will continue to suck up units for those that waited. I'm not so sure the intro date is a mistake.
    Randy
  • gbjerkegbjerke Posts: 158
    Randy--
    You're analysis may well be on the mark.
    However, what good does this do the General? The dealers pay GM "X" dollars for the car. If the dealer marks it up 10k+, the General gets zip in additional profits. The dealer likes the extra profit but that does nothing to GM's bottom line.
    On the flip side, "price it for the masses" is my mantra; introduce it in a timely fashion and GM benefits in additional sales/profits.
    I am involved in a couple of Vette boards and the consensus seems to be that if the sled comes in at over 65k, it will tank in the sales numbers. One fellow has two on hold but he has the option of bailing out depending on pricing. Over 65k and he is OUT! And that seems the sentiment of the board members. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
    No question, the content of the new Z is incredible! Resale history is another matter. There certainly will be those who "gotta have it" right from the get go, no matter the pricing---the American way as such. I'm to cheap to pay the price. As stated, I will have one...just depends on when.
    Good e.g., I wanted an '01 after all the car mags were positive about the car. May '01, the best I could do was sticker plus $3,500. End of May it was sticker. Early July is was sticker MINUS $5,000 so I bought. Granted, the '02's were about to hit the ground but a 2 month wait saved me $8,500. Same for my '03---bought that in August of '03. The '04's were already out but that $53,305 sticker was purchased for dealer invoice less rebates.
    It all depends on how hungry one is.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,906
    Looks like the time to get hungry is July to August!
  • Randy,Gbjerke and Ruking,
    Agree with the excellent points made-as awesome as this car seems to be it is imperative that GM not make a strategic error in long term marketability. With all the internal issues facing the general, they have very little, if any, margin for error.
    Everyone knows year two and three can be brutal depreciation wise, and availability could be easy. Given a choice most folks picked the vert over the C5-Z06, what makes us think the appeal of 500hp would make any difference this time around? In the fifteen years I've owned Corvettes, the vast majority of people I've met wanted the convertible, it was always way cooler and sexy than any powerblock. Me! I always chased the hp, in fact, I'm shopping for my first vert presently.
    One of my former undergraduate students is a regional manager for a major electrical supplier, has GM as a client and even sells to the BG plant. He is an active racer and has owned almost thirty vettes to present. In February, he told me the new Z06 would come out of the shute about $62- 65K, but within 10 to 12 weeks it would be cheaper than a moderately loaded convertible.With the "junk bond" status pending, they have no margin for error and must maximize units sold.
    He is also the guy who said two years ago the next vette would have expose headlights. We laughted two weeks over that one.

    Soft sales for the new Z06? Too much $$ when the base models are so powerful?
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    It was the C6-R's first victory in the GT1 class of the American Le Mans Series.

    Also, the Panoz Esperante (handbuilt sports cars in Georgia) beat all of the Porsche 911s in the GT2 class.

    Here is a picture from Friday's test session.

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  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    The Panoz incident sure left people shaking their heads. The Panoz leads the whole way, I think, then after a caution it gets punted by a Porsche who then gets black flagged for a stop and go and let's the Panoz get back in front. The owner of Panoz is also the guy who has the controlling interest in the ALMS series, I think. Depending on your view was it politics that the Panoz won, or politics that Panoz didn't lose?
    Great win for the C6-R's since they were faster on the track at Sebring but spent more time in the pits than the AM's. ALMS races may not hold a lot of drama but the LeMans race should get lots of attention, seems they love the Vette over in France, especially if it beats things from Italy and GB. Gotta love sport.
    Randy
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    The incident of that Porsche and Panoz seemed intentional (on the act of the Porsche). Don Panoz doesn't bend the rules in ALMS for his sports car.

    The 12 Hours of Sebring was awesome to watch on tv. The Panoz Esperante will run in the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    The same driver got punted in an earlier race but no black flag. Your view is I'm sure valid and supported by many Corvette folks I have heard, I just wonder if some Porsche rooters have a different view? Like I said, should make things interesting at Mid-Ohio. Finally found a reliable local spot for Speed, which I don't get, so I should be able to see some of the races there rather than listen to ALMS radio and watch the timing board.
    Randy
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    I hope these aren't too big.

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  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Thanks for posting, great to see someone happy to see an arrival. Now, what is the rest of the story? I thought it was a Z51 coupe until I noticed the badging and the brake duct behind the door. Wow! Where was this and any idea of what it is destined for?
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    It was in Detroit.

    here is the website where I found it.

    Aluminum Z06

    Also, the odd-looking thing in the second picture is the exhaust valve. It opens all the way after 3,500 rpms or when full-throttle is applied. I've heard it makes for a pretty cool exhaust note. Perhaps it makes grown men curse and children scream.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    Leighton Reese races a new C6 in the Speed World Challenge.

    check out his website here

    Leighton Reese

    Lou Gigliotti

    Lou Gigliotti and his Corvette

    Tony Gaples

    Tony Gaples and his new Corvette
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    http://motoring.independent.co.uk/road_tests/story.jsp?story=633842

    Not that it didn't leave me wondering what he really thought ...
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    He is a real car enthusiast.

    New C6
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    Here is the brake duct of a new Z06. This Z06 was on a trailer.

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    Headed to the 'Ring?

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  • lee21lee21 Posts: 2
    I want some honest opinions. I bought a new C5 in 2004, September.... I have put alot of miles and almost out of warrenty. Should I purchase an extended warrenty for $1,700 +/-??? How many miles (80 mph reg. and running thru traffic pretty good). I take good care of and maintain well, use the best oil I can get, etc. Just wondering about what I can expect from the longevity of this car. I would like to keep this car for ever... but, should I sell after 50,000 or what.

    Should I put an aftermarket air intake system on it ? Any suggestions for making the car last longer?

    Thanks,
    Lee :confuse:
  • espaespa Posts: 4
    I just came back from a local dealership here in upstate NY to negotiate for the only C6 they have on the lot. The best I could get was $500 off MSRP. They stated that these cars usually sell at MSRP or above in upstate NY. I think they may only get one C6 allocated to them and this one has been sitting on the lot for a while. None of the other dealers in the area have any in stick. Is $500 off MSRP a reasonable deal or can I do better shopping around? I wonder if the deal would be better in the fall as we approach snow season here. All advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    Two, Kerbeck's in Atlantic City, NJ, and Maxie Price in Atlanta, GA, specialize in Corvettes, and sell a lot of cars to out of state buyers with about 2-3k in discounts currently on coupes in stock. I am sure you can do much better than 500 off.
  • espaespa Posts: 4
    Thanks for the advice.
  • motorhead1motorhead1 Posts: 111
    I need some help with a question about the mufflers on my 1991 Corvette. This car has only 20k miles and has been kept inside most of it`s life. I`ve noticed that when the car is running there seems to be only exhaust comming out of the two outside tips and not the inside tips, is this normal? By the way, my son and I are going to the Corvette plant for a tour this month. Maybe I will get to see the new Z06 being built,Thanks.
  • jasmith52jasmith52 Posts: 455
    Anybody familiar with replacing an 85 rack and pinion ??

    I am thinking about doing it myself but am not sure about a couple of things.

    Specifically, What is the proceedure for disconnecting the steering shaft from the rack ??

    Does anybody have a link to a step-by-step proceedure ??
  • p3leop3leo Posts: 4
    I just bought a 1977 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray with 15000 original miles. Everything works very well except for the radio. I can turn the radio on, and I see the little yellow light light up, but I don't hear anything. It's the original DELCO GM AM/FM Transistor radio with an 8 track player, but without the cb radio. Any thoughts? Thanks.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Was thinking of buying a Corvette of the C4 or C5 era. Which one in the long run may prove less costly. I know an '87 is priced pretty low these days, but I was thinking that the '97 may be more trouble free, and less expensive to repair. Or do I have this backwards?
    Anyone own both a C4 and C5 and would like to share their experience in maintaining both cars.
    Thanks, Loren
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    The cars are night and day if you take the time to test drive them. The C4 was good for it's day but that was a long time ago and with high side rails, trouble getting in and out for some is a major issue. The engines are ok but the '96 with the Lt5 is the cream of the crop, the 90 or so switch to the LT1 was a step up to 300 hp but not even close to the efficiency of the LS1. The C5 is pricey compartively but you get a lot more, much better ride and just better all around package. After a year of using the C4 to keep mileage off the C5 it just wasn't worth it so I sold the C4 since I wanted to drive the C5 more. Test drives will tell you a lot.
    Randy
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Good point Randy, about the entry and exit on the C4. I did a test drive of one and it was second only to an MG Midget for get out of once seated for effort required. Would you say it is easy enough getting in and out of the C5 to use it as an everyday driver? Looks like the low miles on these cars indicate they are not used but on the weekends. Right now I am using a Miata for my sport driving, which is fun. They are awfully small though. I know people that are too tall for the Miata, so I use the other car when picking them up for a ride. Always liked the looks of the Corvette since I was a kid. Favorite became the C3 over the years, though I liked them all, like the split windows and the earliest models. Right now I have to leave the cars outside, so I don't know if that would hurt the Corvette. I imagine, if in a club, I could be drummed out for child abuse for letting a Vette get wet and too much sun.
    Randy, thanks for you input, Loren
  • gbjerkegbjerke Posts: 158
    I did not own a C4 but am on my second C5 ('01 and '03 Z06's) and I am very impressed with the build of my cars.
    Seems the older generation Vettes were well known for multiple squeaks/rattles/cowl shake etc. When the C5 hit, all the car mags commented on the structural integrity of the C5 and that it was 'light years" ahead of the C4. I agree. Suspect between the Z's I have logged over 40k in miles and neither had a single squeak or rattle.
    Panel fitment will not be of Lexus specs and all Vettes seem to have excessive orange peel.
    However, for long term enjoyment, I suspect the C5 would win hands down.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Having driven an MGB for a dozen years, about 20 lbs. lighter than I am today, the C5 is even easier to get in and out of than most low sedans. At 6'3" and mid 190's I find it to be a great daily driver and really hate when my logic overcomes my passion and I drive the Volvo to the train station to keep a few miles off the odometer. The C4 took 10k miles in a year and I still did 30k in the C5 the first 3 years. My prior commute car did 6k per year and had only 102k after 15 years when donated. I was trying to keep it at 6/60 but I'm now up to 9k in the last 7 months, so I'm failing happily. Lots to miles to the track and then 100+ a day on the track will add up quick. Where did all those extra miles come from ... :D .

    I've found the way to maintain value in a Vette is to keep it garaged or at least covered and yes the purists do get stressed about leaving them out. But mine is a daily driver, winter too, even had to return from a weekend track trip at Reno-Fernley Raceway through a blizzard down from Truckee one Sunday afternoon. Took weeks to get the grit out of many spots and I still come across a bit at times.

    The C4 I bought was a '95, 8 years old with 18k miles and sold it a year later with 28k miles and it was garaged or parked in a highrise garage during the day. It had the glass roof so I didn't do much day time driving in it, I personally don't care for sun. Interior and mouldings were in new shape and that is what made it a great car to look at. When the wife got out of grad school and wanted another C5 that took the space in the garage and I couldn't see leaving the C4 out to lose value.
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