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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,983
    Yes (but after a few trips). However the good news is the car is going on 7 years and NO leaks or recurrences.
  • That's great to know that yours has done so well....gives me an idea on what sort of reliability we can expect.

    What's the mileage on your Z06 and what do you mean by, "after a few trips"?

    BTW, I've noticed you on the Civic forums. I'm looking for a commuter car to keep the miles off the other cars because our drive is approx 140 miles a day and feel that the Civic is the best choice so far. Our 91 Accord (bought new) now has 335K and still going strong. Maybe it will hit 400K?

    If not, it's good to know our Z06 will handle a few weeks of high mileage until we find a Civic deal.....
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,983
    Gee I had to go back to the records to review. 4 trips

    1. Injection of dye and static test. Both covers were tightened.

    2. Metallic grinding sound doing figure 8's and still leaking. Replaced gear oil and additive (due to dilution of fluids due to injection of dye) still leaking.

    3.Seal 12369460 & 12457739 R/R new gear oil and additive

    4. leak at bleeder screw, bleed screw cleaned and fluid level adjusted.

    Finally no more leaks.

    My Z06 is a garage queen at 75,000 miles.

    Since you have a commute of 140 miles per day x 22 days mo x 12 mo or 36,960 miles per year; the Civic is a distant second (38-42 mpg.) The first (in my opinion) would be VW Jetta TDI same commute with 48-52 mpg. The math indicates (38/50 mpg) Prices of (will of course flucuate and vary) fuel over here is 3.41/3.05. So however you wish to run the numbers.... But here are some gross metrics 37,000 miles/38/50 mpg = 974/740 gals x $3.41/3.05 per gal= $ 3,321/2,257.per year/277 mo/188 mo. Run the fuel savings out 10 years and you are talking 1064 per year = $10,640.
  • So far so good, but the car will be down there until Friday. Seems the Corvette guy is pretty busy. This dealership is about 26 miles from our home and does a lot of Corvette handling, what with 5 Vettes in the showroom and an additional 7 in the back, they have a pretty good allocation.

    Just don't look at the stickers in the showroom. The two Z06's are going for $94,000 (20K in added dealer mark-up) and the verts and coupes are going for MSRP plus 10K in ADM - Yikes!
  • My 2004 Z06 doesn't have 'em and I'm seeing a lot of pits and paint chipping starting to take it's toll on the rear panels aft of the front and rear wheels.

    The new Z06's have a smart good-looking mud flap arrangement to help keep the pitting under control.

    Does anyone make a similar good-looking set-up for the 2004 model?
  • vettevervettever Posts: 20
    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that many C6 drivers just don't wave to other Vette drivers? Not all mind you but the majority just refuse to throw out that friendly salute. Now if I drove a C6 and read this I would certainly go outta my way to make sure I did my part to be more friendly.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,344
    They make a lot of Corvettes. You'd have a sore arm at the end of the day once you started that.

    Traditionally the arm-waving was done with sportscars that were so rare that you were surprised and delighted to see another one.

    However, that doesn't seem to be the case with motorcycles---that's more of a "we're in this together" kind of wave...and besides, you don't have to roll the window down. :P

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  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Remember, not all Vette drivers are old hands. Those that
    get the first Vette ever as a C6 are going to take awhile to
    learn the ropes. I know when I got my C5 it took awhile for
    me to be looking for other Vettes. And, as noted, there
    are a lot more Corvettes on the road than there used to be.

    If the newbies get enough waves, they will begin to ask and
    then get into the flow. Save the Wave!
    Randy
  • johnevettejohnevette Posts: 7
    It's not you, it might be that the driver of that C6 has not a clue in what he's driving.
    has no history of the car. it could be on lease, etc.
    am proud to own 2 c5's. i love car and history since childhood.when i seen that RED STINGRAY on diplay.
    so i salute all vette owners when i see them passing by. and thats coming from a NYC boy. wouldnt catch me waving to a rice burning tuna or mustang! lol
  • ...just returned back from Vegas (So Cal) and noticed quite a few Vettes along the way, most acknowledging the wave.

    As for the C6, I had a red one coming up from behind my C5 in the left lane and he paced me for a few miles, staying back about 30 feet or so. When he finally passed me, both he and his wife both waved and I gave them the thumbs-up.

    The wave seems to get passed-on to SOME of the C6's....
  • mtj67mtj67 Posts: 15
    Hi all, I just bought my first vette ever...'91 coupe. Anyway, I was driving home on the highway, and a light kept coming on & off on the dash. It said "SHIFT" with a little arrow pointing to the top-left. lol what is this? Also, which Drive gear should I drive it in normally...the regular Drive, or the one with the Overdrive circle around it? It's an automatic. Thanks very much.
  • kgabehurtkgabehurt Posts: 84
    Any input on what automatic transmission would compliment the Corvette LS7 engine in a kit car?
  • Sorry for the late response....

    ruking - Four trips is not fun, but glad they eventually nailed it. It may be indicative of what I may have to experience regarding my cooling system leak. The axle seal replacement seems to have worked so far.

    When they fixed the axle seal, they also replaced the water pump, saying that was the cause of the coolant scent. However, the scent is still there and now I do notice another slight leak, so back to the dealership for more diagnostics...stay tuned.
  • john_fjohn_f Posts: 30
    Has anyone upgraded their C6 base stereo? If so, does it blend well into the dash? Can you briefly describe the upgrade and results? Thanks in advance.
  • Just talked to the Chevyman and it looks to be another water pump (the original went bad and now the replacement is dead out-of-the-box), so it will be replaced under the new part warranty. I pick the car up tonight.

    So far, the axle seal is holding up.
  • motorhead1motorhead1 Posts: 111
    I want to buy a new Vette this fall but can`t decided if I want an auto or a manual. I was wondering, if I get ready to sell this car, which will be easier to sell the auto or manual?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,344
    I don't think it matters....there are buyers for both types out there...probably an automatic would take a little longer to move, but it will appeal to people who use the Corvette as a high speed long-distance GT car, who drive in a lot of traffic, or who have knee problems, etc.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,983
    I read this in passing, and have not kept good statistics for the C-5, C6 generation, but fully 75 % of the total Corvette production (C-5,C-6 generation, 34,000-36,000 per year) have "automatics". 100% of the Z06 model line have been 6 speed manuals.(app 6000-8,000) So by default, that does not leave very many NON Z06's, which are 6 speed manuals (3%=1,080 per year + 8,000 Z06's= app 9,080/36,000=25%).:( :)

    In my humble opinion, if you do longer touring, weekend warrioring, more specialized track applications, the 6 speed is the one to have. The anomoly is the Z06 has app 10% lower gearing vs the non Z06 6 speed. So the Z06 gets app 1-2 mpg LESS.

    If you do a fair amount of stop and go traffic, or are a LA cruiser type,(PCH on a gorgeous SAT/SUN afternoon), an automatic can be a no brainer.
  • motorhead1motorhead1 Posts: 111
    I have a 2002 Vette with an auto now but always wanted a manual. I just didn`t know how hard it would be to resale a manual when I decided to buy another Vette later. Thanks for the input.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,983
    I guess you can see that 3% (6 speed manual, non Z06) any number of ways: 1. very limited, almost custom production, increased desirability (resale value) 2. It is so limited and such a minority population (3%) it is in danger of being overshadowed and don't be caught dead with one. 3. etc.

    2001 Z06 Corvette here, got it new with 4 miles on the odometer. The salesman took me through the streets of St Helena, CA (wine country) for its first full tank and two extra miles. :) Since he knew the area WELL and was a SCCA licensed driver, we took a longer ala "fast" tour of the locations of a few wineries. :)
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    As noted by several, the auto vs. 6sp appeals to a different
    set and so you can move either when the time comes. The big
    thing for me getting my 6sp in a 2002 was that I didn't do
    much driving in heavy traffic, and it's a good thing, the
    few times I've been in grid lock it has been painful. With
    the new 6sp Auto I think the decision has just gotten a lot
    harder. I drive my manual on track and it is the way to go
    for performance compared to the old 4sp Auto. But I've also
    driven the 6sp Auto on track it is amazingly close in the
    performance at speed. It's worth a look. IMO the 4sp auto
    will be the hard one to move in the future.
    randy
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,554
    Final 2007 production numbers have been published.

    The 6-speed automatic:
    Coupe = 14093 & 65.6%
    Convertible = 8329 & 76.3%
    Z06 = 0 & 0

    The 6-speed Manual:
    Coupe = 7391 34.4%
    Convertible = 2589 & 23.7%
    Z06 = 8159 & 100%

    Now IMHO none of these numbers should sway a potential purchaser toward or away from any particular configuration – or color combination, for that matter.

    A Corvette purchase is typically not the same as many other vehicles. And if I am buying, insuring and filling the tank, then I want as close to ** MY ** perfect configuration as I can afford. Resale \ depreciation – within the range of ‘best to worst’ among all Corvettes concerns me far less.

    I ordered my C6 with a combination of color & equipment that my local dealer ( largest in the SouthEast ) would never order for stock. And I am certain that I will not receive the absolute highest trade-in value, when the time comes. But I drive over 15,000 miles a year in my Corvette – and I wanted it equipped with ( and without ) certain options.

    YMMV.

    - Ray
    Very happy with my choices . . .
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,983
    ..."A Corvette purchase is typically not the same as many other vehicles. And if I am buying, insuring and filling the tank, then I want as close to ** MY ** perfect configuration as I can afford. Resale \ depreciation – within the range of ‘best to worst’ among all Corvettes concerns me far less.

    I ordered my C6 with a combination of color & equipment that my local dealer ( largest in the SouthEast ) would never order for stock. And I am certain that I will not receive the absolute highest trade-in value, when the time comes. But I drive over 15,000 miles a year in my Corvette – and I wanted it equipped with ( and without ) certain options."...

    Your above quotes are some of the reasons for the success of the Corvette line. In theory the "ordered" choices (on the issue of auto vs manual: is dictated by customer demand, rather than an oem making more automatics than manuals, because is a "safer" guess about what would be "better" on the market. Also resale according to what I have read is one of the best for ANY American car and competes rather well with the highest end Euro nameplates in that category, i.e., Porsche might beat it out slightly on the resale issue.
  • motorhead1motorhead1 Posts: 111
    Well I have decided as soon as I can sell my 02 Vette I am going to order a 08. I`m going to get the manual with the new red color and 3LT with chrome wheels. Thanks to everyone for the help.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,554
    The resale \ trade-in \ residual values for Corvettes have historically been among the highest in the segment.

    http://www.forbesautos.com/advice/toptens/best-resale-value-2007.html?partner=yahoo

    Roughly comparable to a Lexus. Many find this surprising. As many also find the highway cruising \ trip fuel economy ( I average close to 30 MPG at 70 – 80 MPH with passenger & luggage ), the insurance rates and many other aspects.

    My dealer is the largest volume Corvette dealer in the SouthEast – and #4 in the country, last numbers I’ve seen.

    My sales person does the ordering for stock. Close to 100% are ordered with the Z51 package. Though roughly 42% are built with this option, they know from years of experience what they can most easily sell to THEIR typical customers.

    They do typically end up with a few Non-Z51s on the lot. A couple are ordered primarily for comparison test drives - and some are purchased from other dealers. Thus, before ordering, I was able to test drive a Z51 and an FE1 back to back.

    The availability of the 6L80 automatic w/paddle shift was a primary determining factor in my purchase timing. For me, this was a critical ‘step up’ from the previous 4-speed automatic with very limited manual control.

    YMMV.
    - Ray
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Interesting about large volume dealer in Vettes and high %
    as Z51 orders. Out on the left coast we don't really have
    a super high volume Corvette dealer and the low volume guys
    are pretty clueless except about walk-in impulse buyers. So
    lots of dealer orders for stock are auto's when that was
    standard and not extra cost and those were the ones left on
    the lots when the year ended.
    I've now picked up two Vettes by ordering off the internet
    and both as I and the wife wanted them as to options and
    colors. Don't think I would waste time on local dealers
    except to see new colors if I decide to get a new one in the
    future.
    Randy
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,983
    Right! As a "VOTING" matter, the real vote (that count toward the ACTUAL statistics) is at the factory order level. I found the factor order process almost totally byzantine. This was after translation by my salesman; who for some reason, made it his mission to get me what I wanted rather than sell me on what he could readily get.

    So for example, by the time one goes to the dealer and sees 75% of the new crop of Vettes with automatics and wants say a 6 speed and upcoming 6 speed auto paddle shifter, most probably one has missed the model year. So if you bypass the 6 speed manual because all they had WAS automatics, the system really thinks most like autos.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,554
    A coupe of things to keep in mind regarding the Z51 percentage & my dealer. Here, near Atlanta the fact that the Z51’s tires do not perform well in the cold weather is much less of an issue than at 3 other large volume dealers I can think of ( Atlantic City, Detroit & New Hampshire ) where their local market conspires against such percentages. And ( though there are exceptions ) the road surfaces in this area are smoother than in the Northern Tier.

    RE: Volume Dealer in CA. Boardwalk, in Redwood City is a relatively high volume Corvette dealer – in the top 10, nationally, as I recall. They currently have 27 2007 coupes according to their web site.

    RE: ‘ordering off the internet’. How did that work for you, exactly?

    Although my initial contact with this salesperson and this dealership was via email, I physically went to the dealer 3 times. And bought my 2007 from them.

    1 – I wanted to drive a new Corvette. Or 2. ( See above. ) Since I had not driven any C6, I needed to check several items regarding both the car’s dynamic behavior and how I fit.

    2 – Once we had agreed on the price, I went to finalize the order & sign it.

    3 – I picked up the car.

    When I felt close to making the decision to buy my 2007 Corvette, I scheduled a visit to this dealer and spoke only with this salesperson – to test drive Corvettes. About a 45 minute drive from where I live.

    This was in early July 2006.

    Once I had driven the 2 C6s ( both were 2006 automatics – 2007s were not yet at dealers, but had no significant changes ) that I wanted to evaluate, I told the salesperson that I wanted the best price on an ordered 2007.

    The price was about what I had expected ( $2K off MSRP ) and I said:

    “When you meet the discount I want, I’ll buy.”

    Response:

    “OK. Great, I will keep you posted.”

    I was kept up to date via weekly emails, as discounts grew over time – but with no further real interaction until the email arrived with a discount that met “my number”.

    This was late in September 2006. I called and set an appointment the next day to order my 2007. It was delivered in early November.

    So my test drives were – 4 months prior to actually closing the sale. I suppose you could describe it as 2.5 months of ( very one-sided ) price ‘negotiation’ and 1.5 months for the schedule \ build \ delivery process.

    More important, before scheduling my Corvette test drives, I had test driven a number of other “contenders” prior to the C6 test drives – including the BMW 335i coupe, for example. I knew my timeline. I was up front with each salesperson I spoke to.

    If I had less stringent requirements on exactly the optional equipment I wanted ( and didn’t want ) and more flexibility on color, I would probably have bought a C6 from the selection on the dealer’s lot. They usually have 25 or so new Coupes in their inventory.

    The Internet is great. Research is great – and essential, for me. But a thorough test drive ( or 2 ) is necessary before I’ll spend close to $50,000.

    YMMV.
    - Ray
    Happy Corvette Driver
  • motorhead1motorhead1 Posts: 111
    I forgot, I`m also going to go with the museum delivery. Thanks
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,554
    Although some other GM offerings ( the RWD Caddy STS springs immediately to mind ) certainly have had some rather bizarre ordering requirements \ restrictions in the past, I did not see the ordering on my C6 as challenging at all. What was ‘byzantine’ about your ordering experience? I actually found ordering my Corvette quite straightforward. . .

    By contrast: For example, the STS could not be ordered with the highest level performance handling package ( was RPO: QAF – now designated PCZ and essentially includes the former QAF components + more ) except on the highest PEG level on the V8. ( That was a 1SG ‘Preferred Equipment Group’ and was an $8,000+ package – and included a number of rather ‘pricey’ luxury \ convenience items that are of very limited interest, thus limited value – to me.

    GM \ Caddy Marketing triumphs over actual customer preferences.

    Another item of particular interest to me: The Head-Up display was also ( during much of MY 2005, 06 & 07 ) available for order only bundled with the ( K59 ) Adaptive Cruise Control ( at over $2,000 additional ) and only on the 1SG as well. Since my Corvette has a HUD – and no adaptive cruise control, this is clearly marketing driven. Again.

    This is one primary reason that today I drive a Corvette and not an STS. I do like the RWD STS. And I do understand that certain combinations of optional equipment may conflict – or legitimately one may require another.

    But. The ordering limitations & associated pricing were 2 big reasons why I have not purchased one. Had I been able to ‘cherry-pick’ only & exactly the options I wanted & was willing to pay for, I’d likely have purchased an STS V8 back when GM was running their “Employee Pricing For Everyone” promotion.

    For 2008, GM \ Caddy appears to have addressed several of my concerns in these regards. I plan to test drive & price a 2008 STS.

    - Ray
    Really, really curious about your ordering experience . . .
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