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No problem so far!! MT also has there sept review in they are getting 21mpg overall. So far 2 problem with this one both sliding doors issues. I think it wasn't fixed right the first time. As far as I can tell the Ody is doing great overall.
I also want to add a link for the 2001 Dodge GC Longterm Problems. Wow, they had the clockspring problem too.
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Great for whoever owns that particular vehicle though.
Oh just keep looking for the posts on the Ody. Then you can feel good. You know the posting is probably about 10 to 1 or more!!!. Since sept 7th the Honda prices paid has 250+ posts and the DCX prices paid has 0 posts, the last 2 post there are by Hans and dennisctc, now I don't know but dosen't that say something about that amount of posts. Its only about buying a car and what you paid. So, if you have the best sellling van shouldn't you have the most post. Also, I never see you guys getting on dennis when he finds the one person with a engine problem at 600 miles or the 2 guys with the A/C problem. Then makes it seem like that typicial!! Please don't be so outraged when I find something that was written by a unanonymous source. BTW I drive my good news everyday and where is my appology for showing you that you posted on sept 7th that you got your oil changed?? Look at the MT article too that makes 2 articles with good results. What am I supposed to do go to a dodge dealer and log all the issues. Heck I already did that for 4 years!! Not my fault most Dodge owners don't post!! If you want to look at issues with dodge the forum isn't the way to go look at the vehicle ratings. So far 2006 Dodge GC 6.0 rating 2006 Honda Odyssey 9.8 rating.
VERY Interesting...if you take the time to read the data for the 2001 GC ES and 2005 Ody Touring with comparable mileage on each.
ACCORDING to Edumunds data, the 2001 Grand Caravan cost MUCH less to operate...and the GC had better gas mileage.
Ody: 7,980 miles cost $131.31 (Repair PAX tire $ 50 and 7,500 Service $ 81.31)
15,013 miles cost $ 141.69 ( Routine Maintenance).
GC: NO maintenance costs listed for 3,325 mile service; 6,928 mile service, and 18,139 mile service.
....................( Hmmm...Didn't Edmunds have to pay for oil and oil filter change?)
ODY at 15,013 miles: Overall average 18.5 MPG
GC at 18,139 miles: Overall average 18.9 MPG
Ody: 7,980 miles cost $131.31 (Repair PAX tire $ 50 and 7,500 Service $ 81.31)
15,013 miles cost $ 141.69 ( Routine Maintenance).
GC: NO maintenance costs listed for 3,325 mile service; 6,928 mile service, and 18,139 mile service.
....................( Hmmm...Didn't Edmunds have to pay for oil and oil filter change?)
I think the cost data got lost somewhere. But I'm sure the oils change is free. What didn't get lost was the 10 unscheduled visits to the dealership to the Hondas 0.
ODY at 15,013 miles: Overall average 18.5 MPG
GC at 18,139 miles: Overall average 18.9 MPG
NOt much of a difference. But do you know the city to highway ratio. I bet you don't !!!
Does CR own Edmunds?????
Edmunds is busy fawning all over the 2005 Oddy. Their last Minivan comparison, Dec 2004, didn't even include a DCX product (when the Stow N Go vans were launching). You'd think the manufacturer with the largest share of the Minivan market would be included? Now maybe there's a good reason, like timing or availability? But still......the most recent is a 2001 DCX Minivan?
Please enlighten us, since you seem to know - right????
However, each of us should buy the vehicle we like best even if it costs more to buy, own, and operate. ( I was not satisfied with my underpowered, spartan VW Bus even though it got reasonably good gas mileage).
Thats great I bet the differance in problems is very close!!! I have never said anything different. I think CR is pretty close to whats going on!! I would love to see how many people responded and what the breakdown of the problems are with each component!
Please don't tell me what I said, I llok at TMV/Carsdirect.com sometimes Carsdirect has a price thats better than EP+. If thats true i use it!! BTW here's a post from me yesterday talking about EP+. And I wan't saying it dosen't exist!! Another slandering tactic! Heck it worked in elections!! Why not here???
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I read other boards can't remember when I saw it but you did it and said you were looking at the EP+ vans. I'd say first week of sept. The 24th was when i said that!
As far as buying it, I'm not selling it so nothiung to buy here!!
For me, the Odyssey, Grand Caravan, and Sienna are all very desireable and each has advantages
For me, the Odyssey, Grand Caravan, and Sienna are all very desireable and each has advantages ...(and each lacks some nice features contained on another brand when the same amount of money is spent for each).
Hans, are you ever gonna buy a van?? If you keep waiting you'll end up with a 2009 model. I'm passionate about everything. Heck you should see how much I like semiconductor equipment. Now thats some stuff. Plasma and vacuum and High voltage OH My!!!
I am not even sure what "Bluetooth" is and why I should need it.
Can you see why I am confused?
I am not even sure what "Bluetooth" is and why I should need it.
Can you see why I am confused?
I hated parting with the money!! Keep looking your 2002 has alotta life left in it!! You could drive that thing until the Hydrogen cars come out!! I'm sure the next gen DCX will have 10 airbags, VSC and be a good value. It should come out in 2007(2008 model) so see 2009 is good for you. I love the competition it keeps improving the product.
I can never figure out what these magazines/testers do to get such jacked-up service costs. I just had my first service (6,200 miles) and it was $24.00 plus tax.
And if gas mileage is your forte, I've been running premium in the Ody (rotating tanks for testing purposes) and it's averaging 15% better on premium. Considering the cost of premium is only 7% more....it easily pays for itself. I had wondered if premium wouldn't work better since it's recommended for this engine in the higher power versions.
Bluetooth is a module/device which enables your Car radio/GPS, Cell Phone, Computer and PDA to communicate with each other, share info like names, addys and phone numbers. If your car had Bluetooth, and you had a Bluetooth Cell and PDA, when you entered your car, the 3 devices would share that info. Then....you're driving down the road, your GPS would have the latest addresses in it, you could also make phone calls hands free thru your radio speakers etc....
If you're not a geek, you probably don't need it yet, and it's usually an easy after market add-on. BTW - My customer, Visteon, makes them for BMW, Ford and Nissan....they buy the connectors off me.
Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol. In automobiles it is designed into the radios to handle phone calls hands free with a bluetooth compatible cell phone.
DCX is bringing back the Signature Series for Chrysler vehicles (and probably Special Editions for Dodges) on the minivan for 2006. A great value package with two-tone leather first two rows, power & heated front seats, sunroof, 6-disc DVD changer w/ MP3 input, LCD monitor, and GPS radio. That may help spruce up the interior enough for you. I have the regular T&C Touring and agree the interior has more hard plastics than its competitors.
I don't know if I am allowed to post this on Edmunds, but I can get you an employee price on 06 DCX vehicle if it helps the decision.
I don't feel safe using my half ton jack and the jack stands to change oil for my ody. But with the corolla, I can pretty much do any basic maintainence on it.
jipster has a good idea but our T&C has less than 37,000 miles on it now so I could not convince myself to have a T&C, Odyssey, and Sienna although it would be nice. (What would I do with the Ford F-150 and Chevy Blazer LT? :confuse: )
When I got my first minivan 1988(of coarse it was a caravan I've owned 4) dodge had 70%+ marketshare. Last year the market share was 38%. I really don't think Toyota or Honda want high volume they prefer high profits. I saw a article from earlier this year that said the differance in retained price for DCX vs Honda and Toyota is larger than the differance in purchase price. Meaning that you will recoup your price premiumfor a honda or toyota when you trade in your car. Also for trade-in DCX vans are among the top 5 vehicles traded in for a Honda/ Toyota van. But the honda/toyota van isn't in the top 25 vehicles traded for a DCX van. I would post a link but that against policy here
Also for trade-in DCX vans are among the top 5 vehicles traded in for a Honda/ Toyota van. Nothing surprising here.
I saw a article from earlier this year that said the differance in retained price for DCX vs Honda and Toyota is larger than the differance in purchase price. Meaning that you will recoup your price premiumfor a honda or toyota when you trade in your car.
I saw an article from earlier this year too!!! It said that if put your savings (est $5k - $10k) in a bank for a 4-5 period, vs paying that additional money out in higher cost and finance charge for 4-5 years, and apply it to your resale value, you come out ahead!!!!
I really don't think Toyota or Honda want high volume they prefer high profits.
Then you wrote,
Hmm why did they bother to build a new plant in Alabama? Doesn't look like much of an increase in marketshare over the 2004 MY?
Ok I said they weren't interested in market share(high volume)then you said look they didn't increase marketshare. You twist my info again. They build a plant in Alabama to increase there profits thats what companies do. Was the 1999+ Odyssey ever build in japan??
saw an article from earlier this year too!!! It said that if put your savings (est $5k - $10k) in a bank for a 4-5 period, vs paying that additional money out in higher cost and finance charge for 4-5 years, and apply it to your resale value, you come out ahead!!!!
You financed your car as most people will. How else would you get finance cash? That 2-3 grand(I can estimate too) at 2% for 4 year is nothing, plus you pay taxes on the interest. To me it looks like a wash. People should look for themselves. Now I'm sure Fish will come in and tell me they got 10 grand off. Of coarse what fish didn't say is that the van was on the lot 4+ monthsand they misquoted her and honored the quote. It's supply and demand and when the demand is bad for a new car, what will it be for a used car??
Regards,
Dusty
DCC Caravan and T & C up 43,466 units (299,814 vs 256, 348 2005 over 2004)
I'm amazed at how figures can be manipulated.
A number of posts were removed tonight because they were disrespectful and/or off-topic. Please remember the topic and keep it civil. And before we get too far afield with the Sienna, there are a number of other topics here where you can discuss it:
Toyota Sienna 2004+
Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna 2005+ Models
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I like a little firmer seat but it is a nice van. I would have considered one but my wife couldn't get past the looks. Shouldn't make someone buy something that don't like! That is the number 1 reason people buy things because of the way they look. The packaging is a little confusing but I liked the fit and finish better and the ride was very isolated.
DCC Caravan and T & C up 43,466 units (299,814 vs 256, 348 2005 over 2004)
I'm amazed at how figures can be manipulated.
I didn't say that DCX wasn't up?? What are you talking about?
I have the Honda ones here ya go. Have no idea when the DCX number come out.
http://sev.prnewswire.com/auto/20051003/LAM09203102005-1.html
DCX release sales numbers through Sept on Oct 3rd.
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DCX minivan sales are down for the month of September. Note, the Ody almost outsold Caravan nameplate for Sept. I suspect low inventories had a role in that from the summer sales surge. 2006 models of DCX vans didn't arrive on dealers lots until the last week of Sept. I know because many were parked at at a vacant lot across the street from my work.
I'll use my own personal experience here (like you do for MPG and your numerous DCX problems). I saved $10k over a Oddy EX. That's $10k less to finance and pay interest on. That's $10k more I can put into a 401 or Roth IRA (tax free).
If people only shop online at websites, and make decisions that way...they're hurting themselves and not seeing the full picture.
DCC Sept YTD 2005 320,608. YTD 2004 290,715 up 29,893 units.
You are leasing do you really know what your paying?? Whats the buyout at the end?? So now your gonna put your 6.5K off a lease into the bank?? Why would HOnda lease a car for less money if they don't have too. Car companies are into making money(Well some of them). You sell it and lease it for as much as you can get! Even at 218.00 a moth that probably dosen't include tax + drive off you pay 6500.00 for a car for 2.25 years. And all you did is rent.
My bil will be looking at minivans this weekend. The best I can find on edmunds and carsdirect is about $2500 difference between the two. He is not as big on vsc as I am but after he drove my ody he wants to look at a sxt that has equippment as close as my ex and save at least 5 large. Maybe a different region?
it's low cause honda wants to rid of 04s as fast as they can
The following comparison has been done before. DGC SXT/T&C touring have similar feature equipment to the Ody EL. Ody has side bags, 6 cd changer, stability control, semi-auto climate, conversation mirror, 2nd row miniseat. DCX has driver knee airbags, 1CD & cassette, and power rear hatch (standard on T&C, $400 MSRP on DGC). Tradeoffs IMO except for the stability control for chick DCX vans cannot get. DCX vans have power drivers seat & 60/40 (more like 70/30) split folding 3rd row.
I state my selling price because that's what I could have purchased it for instead leased. $20k vs. $26.5k if I purchased an Ody EX. Leasing, I do not save $6.5k, nor would I put it into a bank. I can do better than 5% interest rate with anything I save right now.
I'd have to check with paperwork for the exact buyout price, but around $15.5k with the 40.5k estimated miles. MFR and/or credit agency is still making good money. $218 does include tax and I said I wrote a check for $550 when I took delivery. Did not trade anything in. That's the check I write every month. Actually, it is $278 for 1500miles/month with 15c/mi over 1000. That's $7500 paid for 40.5k miles. I've paid much more purchasing some vehicles and selling after 2yrs. Could I have purchased an Ody, put the same miles on it and sold it and pay out less money? Probably similar money, but cash flow/payment differences or investment opportunity as well as uncertain future value did not make sense for me. I don't want to turn this into a lease vs. buy thread. Sometimes leasing is more cost effective than buying. Lots of factors to consider.
BTW, I wrote a check for $2279 to a dealer a week ago to lease a 2005 Dakota for 2 years. That include TT and 1yr L. No payments on that for 24k miles, no commitment after that time. There was an extra $2k incentive over buying for lease loyalty in this example. Is is the best in its class? No. Is it exactly the vehicle I wanted or even my preferred equipment? No. But that's darn cheap transportation for 24k miles.
I compare my SXT to a EX Oddy......it's give and take on some options. The SXT is the highest trim level available for the Dodge, the EX is mid level but they both have power doors, ABS, Al Wheels, decent stereo etc.. The tow package is a factory option on the DCX, while it's dealer option on the Honda.
IMO...the SXT and EX are equals. In Detroit all Honda dealers sang the same song "STICKER STICK STICKER". The Dodge dealers were all over the place. As soon as I mentioned EP price, some didn't want want to talk rebates - which I knew I was entitled to. The one that was the most upfront with me got my business. I'd use Edmunds and carsdirect as a "stake in the ground" but nothing more.
Interesting fact: The 2006 Cadillac DTS has an aux input. Doesn't seem like the Ipod market to me.
if you're not the first in line, I think most honda models today can be had for close to invoice. okay, maybe not the s2k
Well drive it to 40.499K and enjoy. I usually keep a car almost 10years. Except the company cars I've had!! There are many factors to consider. Whats good for some is not for others. Some people want a new car every 3 year. Then leasing is cool. One mans trash is another mans treasure! Prices do vary by location and dealer. If I had a company car I would buy a DCX. Good basic transportation and a good price and the stow and go is good for people who do what I do! But I was buying for my family and the seats will be up. Plus my wife wanted something prissy, and I wanted something with a good road feel/safety features. So in the end if you got what you wanted for a price you think is good. There's no reason to argue. Sorry if I came off gruff!!