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Put in 92691 it shows nothing and the dodge site shows 2500.
Extra $1000 to lease for people already leasing a DCX product. Employee pricing for all is over for 2005 and 2006 models, except if using a DCX employee's control number.
Now my wife doesn't work for DCX like yours does so I'm not into all the inside stuff like you are!! No wonder TMV means nothing to you!
Was a little more worried about school rankings then getting to go to disneyland. But some people enjoy mickey mouse things. I lived in Anaheim off state college for about 9 months boy is that town shady( and I'm from hazlet NJ) Now I also lived beach side of 29th st in Newport now that was the best. Oh and the 2006 Ody now is a IIHS best pick for side impact as well as front! The DCX van is a NOT TESTED!
Can you post your source for that? Both stories I read stated that yes, the Honda received good ratings, but did not do well enough to receive the best pick rating.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/11/04/iihs_minivan_side_impact/index.html
Honda blew it on the door locks and headlamps. I have no idea why they only offer auto locks and auto headlamps on the touring model. Of course I would have bought the touring model in a heartbeat if it had 8 seats.
Inflate the MSRP so they can show big "discounts". All sorts of cash back and incentive plans, confusing as can be.
Man, I hope Honda never stoops to this!
I'm glad you like them. We tried to get our Chrysler dealer to disable them, he could not tell us how on our second Chrysler.
DC minivans have 5 separate controls on the driver's door for power windows each front door and for each opening rear side window plus the power door locks and ALL are lighted on my 2002 T&C LX.
As they are on the Odyssey. What point were you making? We already have that.
Another "feature" of dubious value to many of us.
I think if Honda really felt they were of dubious value to the majority, they wouldn't offer them at all. Instead they offer it as a "luxury" feature. Not many would consider auto locks (or auto headlamps for that matter) more than a basic feature found on some of the cheapest economy cars. And they are programmable so if you don't like them you can turn them off.
The fact that someone's dealer couldn't figure out how to turn them off shouldn't really surprise anyone should it?
Sorry you are right. I looked at the chart right good but not best pick. But they put the Odyssey at the top and they say thats based on all test scores.
I love the Hook especially in the beginning of sept when the Blues are running. My dad still lives in Keyport(gateway to the bayshore) Brought my boy there last year, he loved the bay. I worked at the Getty on 36 and atlantic street like 100 years ago. Wish I had $2.21 cent gas. So, if you get a chance go check out the Bulkhead in Keyport. It's owned by the Merla's but that's ok. Best comfort seafood in the area.
My question for the autolock function is: does it unlock itself after a crash?
Sounds like smart marketing to me...if that is indeed their sales strategy...which I doubt.
You know how people like to say, " WOW...I just got 5 grand off that_______(fill in the blank) So, that manufacturers would use this is hardly shocking.The employee pricing "discount" set all kinds of sales records.
At least with the Honday Odyssey, Honda has "stooped" to the same thing with cash back. Except they are a little sneakier with how they market it. The 2004 Ody had $500 in dealer marketing support back in July. This was reflected in the below invoice price we were offered on an LX.
I think all manufacturers strategy is to set a compeitive price...then have a contengency plan (rebates/incentives) if sales do not meet goals. Some foreigns manufacturers do not discount as much as domistics...but they most certainly would if sales started to fall.
We have a 01 DGC EX and all the doors unlock and the interior lights come on.
For those of you that want to knock Daimlerchrysler for their automatic door locks, probably did the same with the power lift gate. The Automatic door locks are a safety feature that everybody should have. Just like the battery drain feature for the interior and headlights being left on. Another safety feature I like, is that you can not automatically lock the doors, if the key is in the ignition and either driver or passenger door is open. Lets not forget the 2 lbs of pressure needed for all automatic doors to reverse to prevent injury.
There are actually even more then that and they are all a little differant. Here are the major ones I know. NHSTA front and side,IIHS offset and side. EU front and side,JP front,FOLKSAM,AUS-Ncap.
IIHS rated the 06 Odyssey MARGINAL in the rear crash test, and the 2001 DCX tested was ACCEPTABLE.
Actually not the whole story the DCX van is rated poor if you don't have the optionial adjustable lumbar support.
IIHS has not tested a DCX version since 2001, but chooses to give the 2006 DCX the same rating as the 2001?
Not much front end change since 2001. Also DCX could give IIHS a van if they wanted a retest thet did it 3 times in 2001 to get a acceptable. My 2001 Caravan was poor
I had a 2001 caravan it didn't have automatic locking doors!!
I lock the door everytime I get in. Old habit. The power lift gate who needs it I don't really care if I get my hands dirty I'm not that prissy or lazy.
Another safety feature I like, is that you can not automatically lock the doors, if the key is in the ignition and either driver or passenger door is open. Lets not forget the 2 lbs of pressure needed for all automatic doors to reverse to prevent injury.
The Ody does all these things can't lock it when a doors open or a key in the ignition. Also all my kids have tried like heck to shut the door on themselves with none ever even going ouch.
:sick: Another son's 2001 Odyssey EX does NOT have automatic locking doors. :sick:
dc is not the only manufacturer who has auto door locks. Nobody is knocking your dc van, and it has nothing to do with the power liftgate or batteries, relax!
it's a pretty simple question: can people open the doors from the outside(to pull you out) after a crash if you have auto door locks? This applies to vans and many other type of vehicles.
I suppose there could be some electronic interlock that unlocks the doors if the airbags go off, but fortunately, we have never had to test that feature!
In any event, on our 1996 Dodge Caravan, front doors can be opened from the inside even if the locks are actuated. The inside door latch handle overrides the locks. On the rear sliders (at least the manual vans) you cannot do this. The power locks have to be unlocked manually.
Furthermore, the DC minivans are also equipped with child safety interlock levers on the doors that if engaged, the sliding doors cannot be opened from the inside at all whether locked or unlocked, to keep kiddies from leaving the van without adult supervision.
I assume the new DC minivans are similar.
Where does this wisdom come from? You happen to be a manufacturing engineer for DCX also? Maybe in purchasing for raw matl? One has only to go to other areas on here and see DCX owners talking about their Vans with 150k - 200k miles on them, needing something or other.
Maybe Honda doesn't allow it due to liability issues? or philosphy, like the german thinking (until recently) that cup holders are a driving hazard.
Maybe my answer was not clear. Yes, the doors can be opened if you have the auto lock feature.
"We have a 01 DGC EX and all the doors unlock and the interior lights come on." :P
I listed all the other safety features that came with our van because a lot of people here like to comment on all the Ody safety features that come standard, but don't seem to value the safety features on Daimlerchrysler minivans that come standard or as options. One feature that I like on DamilerChrysler minivans, that I don't believe is on the Ody, is the battery savior feature.
So you do not know if the doors will unlock during a crash.
On the other hand, masterpaul not only knows they will unlock after a crash, but the interior lights will come on as well :P
I've never had problem with this in my life. But all but one of my DCX products had a battery that had to be replaced in the first 3 years. Can it save me from that. Also the 2001 DGC may(based on build date) have a poor offset rating. Has a middle rear seat with no headrest or 3 point seatbelt. So it's really a 6 passenger car. Has 4 star front crash ratings front passenger and driver and a 3 star rollover rating. I really wouldn't be so proud.
People who "Pay More, Get Less" buying a Honda Odyssey are insecure. Many Odyssey owners feel they must trash DC minivans to justify their overpriced purchase. :sick:
Agreed: Odyssey has the most power. Odyssey has seating for 8 that can become comfortable seating for 7. DC does not currently offer seating for 8 but a person could have seating for 8 in a pre-Stow 'N Go GC or T&C by purchasing an additional 3 passenger 3rd row seat and put it in the 2nd row. With the cost of the extra seat, a comparably equipped DC minivan would cost no more than the Odd EX.
Maybe you are miss understanding me. The battery savior feature, works by turning off any of the interior or head lights left on while not in the vechicle to save you from coming back to your vechicle with a dead/drained battery. This was a feature that a couple people in the Honda Ody Problems Forum complained about not having.
Has a middle rear seat with no headrest or 3 point seatbelt. So it's really a 6 passenger car.
Our third row 50/50 bench seat does not have the middle head rest nor a 3 point seat belt. Although I wish we did have it, it's not a deal breaker for us since we have a family of six. But we can still seat seven if we had to. A lap belt is better than nothing.
Has 4 star front crash ratings front passenger and driver and a 3 star rollover rating.
You forgot to mention the 5 star side front and rear seat rating. And with front driver and passenger side air bags, it got 5 stars. A three star roll over rating for this size of minivan is really good. So what's your point?
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/1669.html
Also the 2001 DGC may(based on build date) have a poor offset rating.
You are correct. The only reason it has a poor overall rating was because of the fuel leak. To which according to Daimlerchrysler, when they tested the same vechicle about 50 times, could not reproduce this problem. The IIHS never did issue a recall for this, so obviously there was not and has not been a problem with the 01 Daimlerchrysler minivans. If there was I'm sure a recall would have gone out by the IIHS. :shades:
http://www.hwysafety.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=32
Wait didn't I buy a minivan? I get jokes about it at work who cares what brand it is. I have no problems with my feelings. Please talk about the van and not what I think. I try not to say what you feel. How would I know?? Really mostly you sound silly! It's a base argument from someone that really has nothing to say!! I like my Odyssey because I think it's the best car for my family!! Does that make me unreasonable?? I really don't care if I could have saved a few dollars buying a DCX van. As I've said many times IT DOSEN't HAVE the FEATURES I want!! Now go buy a Sienna because the DCX isn't good enough for you and be done with it!!
No I got ya. This has never happened to me! I guess if it did I'd feel different but always was able to start when I was out and about because of a battery being drained by leaving on light etc.
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In 26 years of driving almost everything on the road, I have never had to replace a defective battery. Ohh yeah, my "crappy" 1983 Cavalier with 180k miles once needed a battery after 6 years. You have the worst luck with DCX products.
Why didn't you buy a wonderful 2001 Ody in the first place? Weren't all these glaring problems evident at time of purchase i.e...6 passenger seating, famous quality problems, crash ratings?
BTW - I do recall posts of Hondas not having this simple circuitry, and having problems.
It's only a van for hauling kids
Heck I didn't even want a minivan, but I just had twins and needed the space. Basically it was cheap, I paid 16K and t and l. The crash ratings weren't out but I saw a online acticle saying how good they would be getting. Really for what I paid it was fine. Figured I'd keep it 5 years then go to a big sedan. Guess what we don't fit in a big sedan.
BTW - I do recall posts of Hondas not having this simple circuitry, and having problems
yep some people really need this function. Sure more than a few people have woke up to a dead battery.
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It's me again. I thought I would come out here one last time and tell you the deal I got on the new van. I did alot of bouncing back and forth between 2 dealers with both of them matching prices on the 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT (no extras, black van). In IN, the rebate for this area right now is $2,500 plus $1,000 cash bonus. So that's $3,500 off in rebates. Both dealers said Oct was a bad month and that is the highest in rebates they have seen in 2 years for the Grand Caravans. Not sure about that... but I think they were being honest about it.
I also joined Farm Bureau insurance for $28 and as long as you are member for 30 days you will receive an extra $500 rebate on the price just for being a member. No one told me about joining for like $28 until like the last 2 days. So the total in rebates is $4000. And both dealers went about $269 below Invoice which the grand total after rebates and Destination charges was $22,230 (not including 6% sales tax).
The dealer in Ky I thought was going to go down to $22,000 but they said they just couldn't go any lower. So I opted that if I was going to eat $200 they could eat $100 of that too and they accepted that offer. And since I bought in KY, I don't have to pay IN tire taxes of about $80 and they waived the $260 dealer fee for filling out paperwork. That's a ripoff for anyone who has to pay that.
So for $22,130 the van cost, plus 6% IN sales tax I got the van for, $23,457.80. That's $369 below invoice and I saved $80 in tire taxes and $260 in BS fees. The dealer in IN had a black van on the lot. Since KY didn't, they are ordering me one brand new from the factory. No fees or anything other than destination which is included in the total price.
I do have to note that come Dec 1st the extra $1,000 bonus will probably go bye, bye, but who knows. The nice thing was anytime a dealer buys it new for you, at the time they order the van you get the rebates that are going on at that time, even though I won't actually be paying in full until my 30 days are up (Farm Bureau rebate) which will be in December. So ordering brand new instead of buying the new one on the lot actually worked out better for us and the timing. Course we have 2 vehicles already so it's nice for once to buy without having to have the van ASAP.
I kept thinking I'm going to join farm bureau to gain $500 but then in December lose the $1000 and come out -$500 in the hole. But that's not going to happen now. At any rate, I don't know anyone that works at Dodge and finding someone just didn't seem possible to get the EP discounts. But overall, I think we did pretty good. I appreciate all of your advice, tips and of course hearing how everyone wants to compare vans. ha ha. You guys are a riot.. I really wish I had time to argue about which is better. With twins that are 22 months old.. I just argue about not getting enough sleep.
For us, the stow-n-go sealed the deal cause I can see us really using that. But I could see that if you didn't use that.. just a regualar Dodge van, Grand Caravan SXT, 3.3 v6 would save you $3,000 right off the top. And we thought about Toyota's Sienna cause I know it holds it's value and my brother works for Toyota so I could have got $500 above cost.
I'm sure all of these vans are good deals, nice options just depends on what people prefer. I rode in a Ford Windstar van to St. Louis and back and I thought it was a great ride and nice options too. So most always, it comes down to price, value and options and your previous experience with a car company. So adious my friends.. it's been fun.
Paul K. - 38.. somewhere roaming the roads in a black Stow-n-go van in less than 30 day.
Sounds like a good deal TMV is 22,812.00 so you did better than average. Happy you got what you wanted for a good price!
Dodge and finding someone just didn't seem possible to get the EP discounts.
They don't seem to be hanging out on the street corner do they??
You guys are a riot.. I really wish I had time to argue about which is better. With twins that are 22 months old.. I just argue about not getting enough sleep.
More like a train wreck! No you don't wish you had the time and they are both better for some people, it just matters what you want. BTW I got 4 year old twins it really is a blessing. You need a minivan or a large SUV(I'm not a SUV guy)to have enough space. Enjoy your van and stay safe!!
This appears as a thinly vailed attempt to isolate those who appreciate and want the automatic door lock feature as someone outside the norm. However, this statement coming from a Honda salesperson is no surprise. If your product doesn't offer it, offend it and the desire to want it!
To many women this is not a "dubious" feature. Locking all four doors from the drivers seat is a inconvenience and safety concern that many people think is worth the auto lock feature, arrogant assertion or not.
In the meantime it appears that in the latest issue of Consumers' Reports Car Buyer's Guide the Honda Ody's transmissions are not much better than the Chrysler's!
No I'm saying I can get my hands dirty. I'm not prissy. Go ahead and search that word in this forum. It never bothered you before when someone else said it to describe a honda product!! So please stop the smearing it is just all too common!
In the meantime it appears that in the latest issue of Consumers' Reports Car Buyer's Guide the Honda Ody's transmissions are not much better than the Chrysler's!
Now you love CR I see how you are LOL!!! You certainly don't read your own posts! And I bet they are very close in reliability. Now in smoothness and shifting with no whining noise the Honda is way better than the 41TE. I should know I've owned both.
I've heard the same comments made about VSC and standard side airbags and headrests/3 point belts at all positions. Seems we have a one way street here. If I say any feature the DCX van dosen't have is good I'm unreasonable. Yet if I don't think something has value that the DCX van has I'm arrogant. Not really ,just pointing out why I bought the van. I don't pretend to be anything but a Odyssey advocate!I get all these people saying you only tell one side of the story! I looked and made my choice! People that come in here are making there own. And whatever they make is fine with me. :P
To many women this is not a "dubious" feature. Locking all four doors from the drivers seat is a inconvenience and safety concern that many people think is worth the auto lock feature, arrogant assertion or not.
Many may but many may not want it. Just state it is there for this forum and let other decide! What's the big deal, what his opinion is??
When I first got autolocking doors, I thought of it as more government intrusion into my life. But driving around Detroit, in some of the seedy areas (90% of Detroit I love it!
Same thing with power hatch. When you're at Sam's, it's -10 below, your van is caked with weeks of road salt and grime, the very last thing anyone wants to do is get their hands filthy or cold (taking gloves off).
Here's a joke: How can you tell when a Salesman is lying? When his lips move!!!!!
Forget the fact I sell Hondas if you are able.
If I want my doors locked when I'm driving (I don't) it's an easy matter to simply push a button. I don't want the car to decide my doors should be locked!
Is it really THAT "inconvenient" for you to take a hslf second to push a button?
My non arrogant point being...what is a big deal to some people is an unwanted feature to others!
dc, honda and yota should have these options on their next redesign
And also a safety concern so far no one was able to answer: will it unlock after a crash?