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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • That's very comforting to know, no problems and you like it. I'm sure I will too. I wondered how much fun it would be to have to move the front seats to use stow-n-go. I guess it's like anything else it gets to be a habit and rhythm. The power hatch and sliding doors are very nice. I wanted the sunroof but to save money we opted out of that.. would have been nice. I've never had a sunroof in any care I have ever owned.

    For all you knowledgeable people.. if a sunroof is installed from the manufacturer how many problems have you heard of people having with them leaking? I've always curious about that. I mean the first thing anyone says when they hear sunroof is.. oh but they leak after a while. I'm thinking that's a wise tale else why would they still be making them?

    BTW, these car rag editors don't live in the real world either. Very few of them own cars (other than show cars), or own the cars they review. They have a huge lot of cars to pick from daily.

    Agreed.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Actally I thoought the articles are very good. They talk mostly about the good things on the car that people like. The Dodge is more utility and price oriented. The Ody is more Handling/Comfort. Thanks for the links.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    With the exception of my pickups, pretty much every car/minivan/suv I've owned in the last 15 years had a sunroof. I usually keep my business car around a long time and have never had problems. My first two camrys went 200k miles, and my current Jetta has over 130k miles. Even those long termers have never had sunroof problems.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Though He Drove/She Drove didn't review the DGC it was a good review for both Ody and Sienna. Though I wonder why they test drove the $39,000 Ody Touring and only the mid-level Sienna LE $29,000. Can't say I blame them though...the interior of the Ody Touring is spectacular.
    And for 40 grand it had better be. ;)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Though I wonder why they test drove the $39,000 Ody Touring and only the mid-level Sienna LE $29,000.

    Usually the manufacturer gives you what they want you to review or what's available. You don't get much of a choice, especially small time writers, vs a Car & Driver type of magazine.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Can't say I blame them though...the interior of the Ody Touring is spectacular.
    And for 40 grand it had better be.


    I saved my pennies for 5 years but I went with the EX-L under 30K because the touring was too expensive for me! It's got a few things I would have liked, but is missing some I don't need or want. I like the EX-L interior and it is very comfortable. I like the color too Sagebrush pearl and I had better because I'll be driving it for 10 years. ;)
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "...I had better because I'll be driving it for 10 years"

    Same here...10 years or 100,000 miles. Whichever comes first. :shades:
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    The Touring Ody has the same interior as the EX-L so beyond a few extra gizmos/buttons there wouldn't have been any difference comparing the interiors. The only glaring omission from the Touring is the 8th passenger seat which is why I didn't buy one. I would have gladly stepped up the cash for the extra gizmos, but the 8th seat was a requirement (i was "downgrading" from a 9-passenger vehicle to begin with).
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Just out of curiosity :confuse: , what is the age and weight of the person who normally rides on the middle seat of the 2nd row in your Odyssey Touring?
  • That's nice to know.. hearing those tales about sun roofs is kind of like all of the other things people say.. like how to never buy a black van or any black car.

    It's hot, it shows dirt more than others (what car doesn't show dirt) etc... I thought the black van looked sporty, sharp.. something different than the standard, Silver, tan, red or white vans I see all over the place. It has tinted windows.. the seating is dark grey along with the dash so that reduces heat. I just want to be different than everyone else.. yet the first thing I hear out of anybody's mouth is.. you bought black.

    It's hots, it shows dirt more than others.. blah blah.. well you get the idea. :) So it sounds like sun roofs are nice so I won't worry about that next time around. Thanks
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    Just out of curiosity , what is the age and weight of the person who normally rides on the middle seat of the 2nd row in your Odyssey Touring?

    It varies. We generally have two uses for this vehicle. One is a shuttle to the airport as we have three kids in college all over the country (five kids total) and sometimes we're packed to the ceiling We're between 1.25 and 2.5 hours from the airport, depending on which one so it's usually a decent trip. Usually one of the daughters or my wife sits there as both boys are my size (6'4-200ish). The gals are all average size, 5'7ish 130-150 I would guess (can't ask right??).

    The other use is when we take the grandkids (and sometimes my oldest son and his wife on trips. The center seat is great for entertaining/feeding/etc the youngest. it made the deal for us, I wouldn't want to not be able to have the wife slide back there when the baby gets mad.

    I've heard folks say they didn't think it was a comfortable seat, but I don't see where it's any different than the middle of any other vehicle. We came out of a Tahoe that was used for the same thing, but the Ody has more usable space and is far more convenient. I put my butt in that seat once after I heard someone here complain about it, and my only real complaint would be that the headrest doesn't extend high enough for someone my height. The only passenger I've had complain about it was a rather large (around) friend of my daughter-in-law who jumped in between a carseat and a booster for a short trip to a restaurant. She had trouble latching the seatbelt, but she was also too big to get to the 3rd row through the space where you fold-slide the 2nd row bucket. I think folks that big would have to be used to being crammed into pretty much any vehicle.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    THANKS. I would prefer to ride sitting on the Odyssey 8th seat (middle seat of 2nd row) than sitting on the middle seat of ANY sedan. (I have not been in a Maybach, Rolls, or other high end sedan).
    One condition: The arm rests of the outer seats must be raised and the fore-aft the same as the middle seat...which is easily arranged. ;)
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    It reminded me when I test drove the ody on a narrow twisty road. The sales person was kind of scared, but my wife commented afterwards that the van handles very well and it took very little effort from me to drive through the test route.

    Same can't be said when I test drove the sienna and the dodge.

    The 8th seat in the ody is not bad if you're under 5'6 and not supersized. Basically your preteen kids will be fine even for a longer drive. Resting the feet on the fold down tray with a cushion is very comfortable for the 8th seat passenger but strictly forbidden in my van.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Chrysler's new incentive program.

    Just wanted to share:

    Sounds very sweet!!

    The program offers:
    Chrysler's "Miles of Freedom" program runs from Monday, Nov. 21, through Jan. 3. It was revealed to dealers at meetings here on Thursday.

    A debit card for $2,400 -- the amount of money Chrysler calculates is needed to buy 12,000 miles worth of gasoline for two years at the Chrysler group's corporate average fuel economy rate of 21.8 mpg. The plan is based on a $2.15 per gallon price of gasoline.
    Free scheduled maintenance for as many as 24,000 miles.
    A five-year, 60,000-mile full mechanical warranty, compared with the standard three-year, 36,000-mile warranty.

    Excluded from the program are the 2005 and 2006 Chrysler 300; Dodge Viper, Magnum, Charger and Sprinter; and all SRT8 vehicles.

    Customers can choose existing Chrysler rebates instead of the program, Murphy said. Those rebates range from $1,000 to $7,000 cash back on 2005 and 2006 models, Senior Vice President of Sales Gary Dilts said. The existing rebates are scheduled to end on Nov. 30.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Sounds kind of fishy...fish. What happens with the debit card with families(one or two car) that don't go over 12,000 in a year of driving. Do they lose that money?
    Free scheduled maintenance for two years? Thats about 5 oil changes, 4 tire rotations, 2 air filter changes...about $250 retail. Two extra years of I assume bumper to bumper warranty...about $700. So, about $3,350 retail in compensation. Actual cost to Chrysler probably around $2,800. Probably in most cases will be more cost effecient to take the rebate.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    the maintainence bit would worth a lot of money if it's offered by audi or vw

    the bumper to bumper is the right direction after canceling the 7/75

    but that is a brilliant way to slow down the depreciation of dc products!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I would prefer the cash discount. DC better retain a warranty at least as long as Toyota and Honda. :P
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    "What happens with the debit card with families(one or two car) that don't go over 12,000 in a year of driving. Do they lose that money?"

    I think you missed something or didnt read the fine print. The $2400 debit card is exactly that, a $2400 debit card. They just were advising how they calculated the $2400. They NEVER indicated that if you don't drive 12K miles you get the card prorated. Also, I think the additional warranty specifically states that it is a mechanical warranty, not bumper to bumper. Witht he B2B seats that are defective are covered, a rear view mirror falling off is covered and so on.......these would not be "mechanical" in nature. Transmission, engine, AC and so forth would be mechanical I guess.

    I am also guessing you can get additional discount other than this deal.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,881
    In order to sell cars. They have their customers so well trained to expect rebates and other gimmicks that they HAVE to continue. They have created a monster.

    So who REALLY pays for these "free" perks?

    The people who buy them of course. No free lunch it's all factored into the price of the cars.
  • Everything that a person gets when they buy a car is factored into the price paid. Even the Honda warranty isn't free, it's in the price of the vehicle.

    So, what else is new?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,881
    But a lot of people think all of these items are some kind of a bonus. A lot of "fluff" in those MSRP's!

    Who's kidding who?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    A lot of "fluff" in those MSRP's!


    That "fluff" pays your salary and mine doesn't it? Maybe DCX is willing to take a lot less margins to increase market share?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,881
    But that's O.K.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    That "fluff" pays your salary and mine doesn't it? Maybe DCX is willing to take a lot less margins to increase market share?

    But in reality they aren't gaining market share they are losing it. In 2004 YTD ending in oct DCX sold 316,906 total vans, the Honda Odyssey sold 126,297. That a 2.51 to 1 ratio. In 2005 YTD ending in october DCX sold 346,020 vans, Honda Odyssey sold 145,755. Thats a 2.37 to 1 ratio. The increase in sales from 2004 to 2005 for DCX 9.2%. For Honda Odyssey it's 15.4%. Thats with DCX coming up with the stow and go, with employee pricing and Honda not discounting much. Look out 2006 could be a LONG year! I think the next DCX version van is gonna be sweet with all the things I wanted. But I'll tell ya something this is my LAST minivan! ;)
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "Thats with DCX coming up with the stow and go..."

    True...but didn't Honda come out with a totally redesigned Odyssey for 2005. ;)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,881
    There are parts of this country where drving an "import" isn't the thing to do.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    My 2002 T&C LX will NOT be my last minivan. ;)
    I know many people who have owned 2 or 3 Chrysler (now DaimlerChrysler) minivans because they love their DC minivans.
    One friend still has his 1998 Sienna he got so he could sell his Previa to his daughter. He too, says that he will always own a minivan. ;)
    It would be interesting to see how many Odyssey owners are also repeat Odyssey buyers.
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