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2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
But, if you are not in any situation that might require such an electronic intervention, why would turning the ESP off be helpful? ABS only comes into play when braking so hard that sliding tires are a possibility, but ABS typically cannot be defeated (it is just always at attention, awaiting to be called upon). I would think ESP causes no brake wear period if it is never engaged.
Seems like turning it off increases the danger of understeer, oversteer and out of control situations (on dry, wet or snow/ice surfaces alike -- albeit at lower speeds the slicker the surface becomes).
:confuse:
I don't think anyone would object to the feature. However, it was implemented poorly, causing the entire car to shudder very noticeably on restart. Not very becoming of a $40K-$50K car.
Both of the ones I drove were 4 cyl cars.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
[ now with available 4-cyl - or V6 and AWD for 2013 ]
seen as part of this group?
- Ray
MSRP now as low as $47,805....
yeah thats what was told to me about possible reduced wear, on the stability - again i use it in rain and snow- but for everyday driving I like to feel in control my self- this stability control is a great safety feature for sure but growing up we did not have such a feature, so does it increase the danger factor, yes- but I like to live dangerously--
Stay in New York or wherever you are from with that mindset.
"I also like to live dangerously"
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
On the stability side I leave it on in the rain and snow - when it's clear I actually like having the back slide out a bit every now and them- like to be engaged with the car - and not a computer .
Your ability to turn it on when you think you'll need it is an interesting approach -- to me it seems like saying "I'll only fasten my seat belt when I think I will wreck."
The value of ESP is probably its most profound in those situations where you can't see or know for certain there is a coefficient of friction issue. Or even when it is not raining or snowing, it is possible to get yourself into an understeering situation or even oversteer before you know it and at that exact moment in time I would doubt someone could react and push the ESP "on" button.
I'm not too sure you really WANT to live THAT dangerously?!?
Do you turn off your ABS too? (assuming you had one of the very few cars that allow that anymore as Audis used to allow.)
Enjoy the cvt and espn and the computers- But I dont
Can't turn off the abs - but yes, answer your question yes I like to live "that" dangerously -like my old man with his 79 nova, I drive without espn. 2007 g35, 31k miles and not a curb mark.
Don't be a dink
A lot more of us were killed....that's what we did. Stability control is probably the most helpful in an extreme emergency manuever. Just like ABS it helps keep the car under control. If you think you know for sure exactly when the next yahoo is going to run you off the road or pull out in front of you and you need to control your car than you should be a fortune teller.
Traction control is pretty useful too. What did I do before traction control? I spun my rear wheels all over the place in the snow even with good snow tires.
It's obvious you think you're Mario Andretti and could also care less if losing control of your car causes someone elses injury or death. And you are telling other's not to be a dink? Look in the mirror my friend.
BTW, I haven't heard that term used in about thirty years. Maybe it's a regional thing. Kind of thought that went the way of "fairy hooks" if anybody remembers that one.
I too had the traction/stability turned off in dry weather.
The car was very well balanced and I would give it a little power to bring the rear end 6-12 inches out. It would always tuck back in and straighten out. You'd really...really have to try hard in order to spin out of control (I never had); it was very predictable and consistent.
This wasn't a big NHRA burnout...but a small chirp of the tires with the engine revving and I didn't do it at every corner (that was when I was 16...) or near the daycare; just the odd time to remember my youth.
Probably not the utmost ideal level of safety, but neither was the time I took a call on my mobile phone, reached across to the passenger foot-well to pick something up, fiddled with the radio selection, reached behind me to put a pacifier in the baby's mouth...and took it way past the posted limit on the highway (no baby in the car then). BTW, this didn't occur all in one day but the span of a couple years.
Sometimes I eat too much red meat...but I wouldn't consider myself reckless :shades:
If you don't wear your seat belts it saves the springs in the retractors, too.
Others rated were Buick, Honda, Infiniti, Kia, M-B, Porsche and Toyota.
Odd.
- Ray
Note – BMW’s system ‘throbs’ . . .
Mario Andretti comment-- again - powerful =
I will never touch that button again...
dink comment- again you are right.. im going to look in the visor mirrior
Surprising, given BMW's engineering prowess, and their early adoption of technology in cars.
No matter, since the feature can be totally defeated, that fixes what was an unnecessary and ill-implemented attempt to increase MPG.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
As I passed the driver, I was stunned to see this lady driving it:
So much for stereotypes...
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/13/bmw-allowing-dealers-to-re-program-start-stop- /
Agree with you....braking hard, in a corner, stability control off? Somebody is swapping ends. Wonder which driving school teaches that technique? :P
So what is all the rant about auto tranny?
Honestly, I wanted the manual TL but I know my wife drives my car ever so often. My plan (if I ever get around to it) is to purchase RSX type S with the stick as a beater car. Hopefully in the 3k to 4k range, then I can probably join your club and rant all day about manuals
I grew up in Michigan on stick shifts with RWD with no ESP, traction control or ABS brakes on bias ply tires. Still alive somehow.
Aren't you the one that said you liked to live a little dangerously? Maybe I read wrong. If so, sorry.
Doesn't the RWD G37 have over 300hp and nav for even less than $36,500??? Seems like that would have been the real value. Could even have spent the extra money on some great snow tires.
I think the rwd starts at 42. Tad higher
2012 G37 Journey = $37,795
2012 G37X Base = $39,395
We were talking about stick vs auto correct-
the g with the stick is 41500. I do research, you cant get a journey with stick, i also respond to what we we were talking about - talk about doing the twist.
However, the Sport model is loaded with equipment that is not found on the G37x so after adding similar equipment like the prem. pkg and nav the MSRP on the G37x is actually $43,745 which is more than the G37 Sport. You may have paid $36,500 but you would have gotten a similar deal on the Sport model.
Just saying that if you wanted the stick it would have been very close in price and equipment just minus the AWD.
The destination charge same on all g37s