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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    I believe it was about 1/3rd of sales.

    DCX is back to 0% for 60 months. Giving them away also helps.
  • I believe it was about 1/3rd of sales.

    And your source of this information is?????
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    a minivan that will do everything I want it to do, to make my life easier and doesn't cost me an arm and a leg to do it. That is what I found in my Dodge GC.

    Sure I could easily afford a Honda Ody. I could easily buy two and pay cash for them. But I'm retired now and the money I saved buying the Dodge, almost paid for our 18 day trip for me and my wife to Europe last year. Besides, the Ody didn't have the stow-in-go seats I wanted and to get the power rear hatch would cost over $30,000 for the Ody.

    I really liked the GPS on the Honda, but after checking around, it made more sense to buy a portable one. While it's not got as big a screen as the Ody and won't let me see behind me, it also didn't cost me $2,000.00 extra to buy it.( Less than five hundred with tax and three year warranty.) Plus, I can use it in any car I'm driving, which you can't do with the one in the Honda. It even has a battery so you can even use it on a bike or boat.

    What I'm saying is, for the value and what it does, Honda couldn't beat it for the price. The fifteen hundred I saved on the GPS, will come in handy on our next trip to Vegas, and my GPS will tell me how to get there, just like your Ody.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I believe it was about 1/3rd of sales.

    I "believe" it's about 1/64th of sales then. I pulled my "belief" from someplace where the sun don't shine. Same place for you?
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    A little snippy in the sandbox this morning.....
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    To be honest, isn't the % of minivans sold as fleet sales a bit pointless for this discussion?

    Look at it this way: DCX sells more vans as fleet sales than Honda/Toyota sells as fleet sales. I don't anyone would debate this. So?

    Even if you take away fleet sales, DCX still sells more vans than either Honda or Toyota.

    Again, so? What's the point?

    For the DCX fans, this just means that the DCX vans offer more value for more people. This neither 'proves' nor 'disproves' what van is 'better'. What it DOES mean is that (apparently) DCX knows what it's doing with regard to minivan design. Much more so than either Ford or GM.

    Do those high sales numbers mean it's the 'best' minivan for me or thegraduate? No, perhaps we've got slightly different criteria from DCX folks.

    Life would be pretty boring if we ALL drove DCX vans, just as it would if we all drove Hondas.
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    Yet, the total cost in Feb is more than Nov/Dec was. If I finance through my credit union, I'm better off taking the current $4k in rebates instead of the $1k + 0%. I would not say DCX is giving them away @ today's selling prices. Marketing games is all it is.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    According to Autoweek, DCX's fleet sales in the third quarter of 2005 was just over 17%, or slightly more than 1/6th of total sales. Hope this helps...

    I know its not complete information, but at least it gives a general idea, that it is 15-20% of sales. Bloomberg Business' website reports that Ford and GM have close to 40% fleet sales of their Freestar/Uplander vans, so Chrysler at least has THEM beat, but then again, the Chrysler van is a lot better than these, period.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    I stand corrected. Thank you.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Lots of information flies around these boards, some of it good, some not...it is easy to get numbers a little mixed up. Don't sweat it, and when in doubt, do what I did and google the idea in question and you can usually find a reputable site with information.
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    LOL!! Rental Agencies do what their Parent companies want them to do. Hertz has Ford Product, Avis has GM product and so on. Rental companies purchase vehicles because of cost and the companies they belong to. NOT because that's what consumers want to drive.
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    Hmmmm... Let's see less leg, head, shoulder, and hip room. Less Hp or torque, less mpg, less cargo room and residual 16% lower than Odyssey for 36 months. Logical very Logical ah and it sells for $450.00 less than an Odyssey and doesn't have Climate Control or a Moonroof. I think the Enterprise is leaking Radiation again you better get to the Engine room and quick. ;)
  • I don't know what planet you live on, but according to Edmunds TMV there is a $3192.00 difference between the Honda Odyssey EX with leather and the Dodge Grand Caravan SXT with leather.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    According to Autoweek, DCX's fleet sales in the third quarter of 2005 was just over 17%, or slightly more than 1/6th of total sales. Hope this helps...

    Thanks but this really doesn't help.....That 17% could have been leftover Neons.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    ...and with the deeper average discounts on the Dodge the delta gets even bigger. I think MorganV indicated on their deal it was almost $5000.

    Dusty
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Without remembering the actual numbers, on LD pickups Ford has typically had about 30% fleet sales per year, GM a little less. Dodge in the past has been even lower, although in recent years they've increased fleet sales.

    The New York State police and US Border Patrol are now buying Durangos. Michigan and Ohio have just signed large fleet contracts for Dodge Charger police cars. Chrysler has been notably missing in the police car arena for some time (since the Diplomat series ended), so fleet sales should be on the increase for them.

    In the microcosmic form of our local Enterprise Car Rental, there are two Dodge Caravans, two Mazda MPVs, and three just added Ventures.

    Dusty
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Without remembering the actual numbers, on LD pickups Ford has typically had about 30% fleet sales per year, GM a little less. Dodge in the past has been even lower, although in recent years they've increased fleet sales.

    From january to sept of 2005 it was 25.4% of sales. Im sure the minivan section is slightly higher!!

    link title

    Look under 3rd Quarter fact sheet.
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    It's in the Honda Odyssey Owners Folder in this Forum.

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  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    OUTSTANDING, unbiased post. Thank you rorr.
  • Thanks for the link. 25.4% is not 33.3% and 2005 Trucks, Ram etc. Sprinter Vans, Neons, Stratus and Sebring convertables and sedans, Intrepids, Concordes, 300M's as well as minivans are included in that total. Your OPINION of minivans being higher is suspect.
  • This pot needs no stirring from me!

    Anywho, last time I checked, the Odyssey/Sienna didn't have a smaller, $17-22k alternative to the Caravan.

    That may account for the sales difference?

    DrFill
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Your OPINION of minivans being higher is suspect.

    It's because I had 3 as company cars and Dennis also said he had one. When I had my fleet car thru Wheel Inc. almost all the field guys had caravans! Most stuff in this forum is SUSPECT!!!
  • So 4 vans is a consensus now!
  • My company only leased Ford Winstars as company cars. What does that prove? They were getting a bigger rakeoff from Ford than any other Detroit manufacturer.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    It's because I had 3 as company cars and Dennis also said he had one. When I had my fleet car thru Wheel Inc. almost all the field guys had caravans! Most stuff in this forum is SUSPECT!!!

    I've had 2 SWB Caravans with 3.0 engines...96 and 99, both very trouble free. But I know Tyco, as a corporation chooses one vehicle via PHH or Wheels as "The" car....currently it's a Taurus. At the time, I was on the Chrysler sales team so they made exception for OEM teams and I had my Caravan. I now call on Visteon (Formerly Ford Electronics) and I'm stuck with the Taurus. (POC).

    So what I'm seeing here - NO BODY KNOWS for certain, just everyone's personal opinions.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    "I think the Enterprise is leaking Radiation again..."

    You sure you weren't watching "The Jetsons"? The Starship Enterprise was powered by a dilithium crystal. Nuclear reactors were considered primitive...kind of like that minivan you're driving. ;) (just kidding)
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "I don't know what planet you live on, but according to Edmunds TMV there is a $3192.00 difference between the Honda Odyssey EX with leather and the Dodge Grand Caravan SXT with leather."

    jpnewt was directing his post to jipster.....who drives a Mazda MPV. I believe the comparisons in jpnewt's post were between the Ody and the MPV, not the Ody and the Caravan.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Thanks hansienna.

    To be truthful, all this back and forth regarding fleet sales just makes my eyes glaze over.

    Personally, if I were in the market for a van (or truck or car or whatever), the % of vehicles sold as fleet sales (whether it is high or low) would have ZERO interest to me.

    Zip. Nada. Zilch.

    Just as the total number of units sold has no importance to me. My criteria for choosing a vehicle may include performance or safety or reliability or cost of ownership or utility or style or any number of other factors.

    But the ONLY reason I might chose a vehicle based on sales numbers would be to chose one with the LOWER number of sales (all else considered roughly equal) just so I can break away (somewhat) from all the other lemmings.....
  • jpnewtjpnewt Posts: 71
    I'm on Planet Earth where you learn to read a post correctly. My analysis was vs. the Mazda MPV. I'll accept your apology at any time. ;)
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