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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I know I'm probably in the minority here! It's up to 159K now, and still on the orignal 4 speed ECT. The 3.3L V6 is still going strong and delivers at least 25MPG on the highway, with the A/C on during the summer.

    No, you're in the Silent Majority.....You maintain your vehicle and it takes care of you. I know many DCX owners, 5 time repeat owners...with never an issue/problem. But you always get one or two people that get a lemon in any brand and it fills them with hate towards that brand for life. (not naming names)
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "No, you're in the Silent Majority....."

    Same with the Odyssey IMO.

    You seem to take great....well, pleasure is probably to strong....fun in pointing out the complaints in the Odyssey Problems and Solutions board and then insinuate (particularly to socalawd) that these are representative of all Odysseys.

    As the owner of an '05, I'd say this is not the case. Perhaps I'm a member of the (not so) Silent Majority of Ody owners who are more than satisfied with their purchase.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    You seem to take great....well, pleasure is probably to strong....fun in pointing out the complaints in the Odyssey Problems and Solutions board and then insinuate (particularly to socalawd) that these are representative of all Odysseys.

    No, but when someone gets on their high horse about the greatnest of their Ody or how terrible their DCX was, while dismissing real owner complaints.....I'll point it out.

    Probably the only Minivan owners who could boast, and don't are the Sienna owners.
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "i'm not dismissing it, just asking why is mileage soo off from real world mpg for a lot of Ody owners?"

    I've already mentioned a number of factors that can cause such variations. Of course, if these factors work against the Odyssey moreso than other minivans and also don't show up on any of these controlled tests, that would be an interesting phenemonon. It's also possible Honda somehow cheats or that there is some sort of collusion among the EPA and these magazines to promote the Odyssey.

    Lacking a very large, randomly sampled, scientific survey of actual mpg from owners, I guess we'll never know for sure. Until then, I'll place my bet on the consensus of fuel economy from measurements by the EPA, Consumer Reports, Motor Trend and Motor Week. In any case, I'm impressed at our fuel economy, given the fact of hauling a family around town, inside a 4500+ pound vehicle. We're getting a couple mpg more than our 2001 Odyssey in the same type of driving conditions; not bad considering the extra weight and power. As always, YMMV.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    No, but when someone gets on their high horse about the greatnest of their Ody or how terrible their DCX was, while dismissing real owner complaints.....I'll point it out.

    I said the DCX was OK, not terrible! Thats your spin on it. As far as the Ody it's been fine I like the drive comfort and safety features better than the DCX van is that getting on my high horse?? You should use the data from real owners(Combined with other data) but some people only point out the negitives. If I were to do that about DCX vans,others might call it looking for dirt. The double standard is alive and well in America!

    Probably the only Minivan owners who could boast, and don't are the Sienna owners.

    Again making it sound like people who own a certain brand of car makes them act in a certain way. Well I've owned a DCX van, and now also own a Subaru(which I like more than the ODY ;) ) Well read my horoscope, or use a fortune cookie thats a better way to find out what kind of person someone is then by what they drive. BTW I woulda bought the Sienna if my wife liked the way it looked :blush:
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    "I reject your reality, and substitute it with my own" Sounds like owners from both sides.
  • lisakllisakl Posts: 1
    We just bought 2 new Dodge Grand Caravans and the first time out I had to brake because someone cut me off and my daughter hit her head on the handle on the back of the drivers seat. The seatbelt did not restrain her. Has anyone else had the same problem? The driver and passenger seat belts seem to work properly but not the second and third row seatbelts they seem require a much larger impact to function.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    We just bought 2 new Dodge Grand Caravans and the first time out I had to brake because someone cut me off and my daughter hit her head on the handle on the back of the drivers seat. The seatbelt did not restrain her. Has anyone else had the same problem? The driver and passenger seat belts seem to work properly but not the second and third row seatbelts they seem require a much larger impact to function.

    Ok this seems really strange because someone else has been pushing the same stuff. Ther rear bealt on the DCX vans are a different type then the Ody's. I don't think that makes them inferior! Maybe the belt had too much slack or the child was too far forward.
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "Ok this seems really strange"

    Yeah, no kidding- the timing couldn't be better. Dozens of posts on this very topic just happen to be in the last few pages of a number of minivan threads...

    IMO, you won't get any closure asking here, based on the previous poster's attempts. Consult a lawyer who specializes in vehicle related issues.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    "Ok this seems really strange"

    Yeah, no kidding- the timing couldn't be better. Dozens of posts on this very topic just happen to be in the last few pages of a number of minivan threads...

    IMO, you won't get any closure asking here, based on the previous poster's attempts. Consult a lawyer who specializes in vehicle related issues.


    I find it hard to believe that someone buys 2 Caravans, joins and on the very same day runs to this thread first (instead of DCX problems/issues) and posts. Smells fishy to me!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    WHY would anyone buy 2 NEW Grand Caravans at the same time? :confuse:
    Why not buy 1 new Grand Caravan and 1 Odyssey so you could post as an owner of both sides of this forum?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Just got my very first CR survey in the mail, this after being a subscriber for a number of years? I rated both my Minivan and 3 series, plus my dishwasher and hot water heater. Do they only send these out to subscribers?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I own a 2006 Sienna LE but do not feel I can boast. It was a difficult choice deciding on the Sienna LE instead of the GC SXT or Odyssey EX. Each has advantages. ;)
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    YES, CR sends the survey ONLY to subscribers and then asks for a large donation to help pay to mail and process the surveys. :sick: :sick:
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    Yes, subscribers only. That is one potential flaw in their reliability methodology. I used to get them every year but haven't seen one for a year or two now.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    The Intrepid came out in 1992 as a 1993 model. I had a '93 Intrepid bought back by Chrysler under owner's arbitration. It led to a worst '94 Dodge GC and the last product I'll ever buy from that company. The Caravan has been around since 1984, not 2001.

    I had a 1993 Eagle Vision, the sister to the Intrepid. We kept it until 2004 when we bought our Civic. The a/c went out in 2004, we replaced the rubber motor mounts in 2001. The clock spring in 2003. Those were the only things that went wrong in 11 years of owning that car. I think the Arizona heat done in the motor mounts.

    We are going on 16 months with our 2005 Dodge GC, and so far, have did nothing but changed the oil and filters. Before the Eagle Vision, we had a 1988 New Yorker we kept for 5 years and only needed the auto switch repaired on the a/c.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    had a 1993 Eagle Vision, the sister to the Intrepid. We kepted it until 2004 when we bought our Civic. The a/c went out in 2004, we replaced the rubber motor mounts in 2001. The clock spring in 2003. Those were the only things that went wrong in 11 years of owning that car.

    We are going on 16 months with our 2005 Dodge GC, and so far, have did nothing but changed the oil and filters. Before the Eagle Vision, we had a 1988 New Yorker we kept for 5 years and only needed the auto switch repaired on the a/c.


    Really not that amazing I've had only 1 instance in over 20 years and probably 500K miles where I've been stranded. My company 1991 dodge caravan broke a motor mount. It happened at the toll booth(heard a big clunk)at dodger stadium! Later when I tried to start it the motor had come up so far it tore the a wire out for the starter motor. Towed and fixed the next day! My intrepid had only tranny replaced and air conditioning in 100k miles really not too bad!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    FWIW . . . and, most contrary to CR results, my 1994 GC ES has been an exceptional minivan. I know I'm probably in the minority here! It's up to 159K now, and still on the orignal 4 speed ECT. The 3.3L V6 is still going strong and delivers at least 25MPG on the highway, with the A/C on during the summer. And, no rust anywhere, including around the rear window. One thing that really blows me away is the exhaust system. It's original as well, and no problems with the mufflers, connecting pipes, or the catalytic converter.

    I looked to see if ya had any other issues you mighta left out! The guys here say I only give part of the story well here's the other part!

    Honda vs Ody post # 4221

    However, it's other factors which bug the heck out of me with our Caravan. The two motors for the rear vent wings failed almost simultaneously only a couple of years after purchase; the front and rear A/C evaporators have been a constant source of trouble; occasional ABS problems that raise their ugly head, and then go away for some unexplained reason; the flourescent display for the radio/CD player/clock died; intermittent problems with the body computer which contols the gauge package, and most importantly, the paint flaking off the roof and the hood (This one really bothers me - it's totally unacceptable!). On the other hand, the exhaust system is original after 11 years - certainly the longest period of time I've ever owned a vehicle without replacing the exhaust system, and the high-level interior looks new after over a decade of use. And, no suspension problems except for replacement of the front struts at around 90K miles.

    I've used Mobil 1 5W-30 since the inception, and change it religously every 3K miles. And, I change the ATF and filter on the transmission every 20K miles. All in all, it could certainly be worse. Would I buy another DC minivan? That's a good question, I really don't know. It would be a tough call, as it seems other marques are having their share of problems as well.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    What I think is funny is how right after Dodge came out with the cab forward design everyone was like wow. Then 5 years later it was a thing of the past!


    What I really liked about cab forward, was that even though they were front wheel drive, the engines weren't transversed. They sat in there just like rear wheel drive and you could reach most everything on the engine.
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    hi, lisakl,

    Hope your daughter is okay. Look through the posts made during the past two weeks and you'll find numerous discussions started by one member who reported a similar experience. If you'd like to know if any others have had this problem, your best bet is to read the complaints filed with the NHTSA, and then file one while you're there.

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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    . The clock spring in 2003. Clock spring was made by Methode, one of our competitors. I remember quoting them to DCX for Minivans etc..about a $12 sell price!! We never won any domestic business with Clockspring, but Tyco Electronics sells many to VW, Audi and BMW.

    Clock Springs scare me more than anything else we sell. You have constant moving/rubbing parts everytime the steering wheel is turned.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    You went back almost a year digging for dirt on that? Do you have a team of investigators...researchers working for you?

    You left out the "other part" in w9cw's post, where he wrote his 12 year old van had been very "reliable" and was on the original transmission. Take all the problems he's listed over the 12 years/159k miles he's owned the van, and I think it has done fairly well.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    You went back almost a year digging for dirt on that? Do you have a team of investigators...researchers working for you?

    You left out the "other part" in w9cw's post, where he wrote his 12 year old van had been very "reliable" and was on the original transmission. Take all the problems he's listed over the 12 years/159k miles he's owned the van, and I think it has done fairly well.


    Really nice to hear your opinion! ;) Enjoy your day!! :shades: I get stuff misquoted about me from a year ago! Does this ever concern you!! As far as a team of investigators. There is a search function on this site. It's pretty easy to use! I included the post number and said I said I was including stuff he left out! :confuse:
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "You went back almost a year digging for dirt on that? Do you have a team of investigators...researchers working for you?"

    Not needed with the wonders of modern technology. Perhaps he typed in "Caravan problems w9cw" into the Edmunds 'Search This Discussion' box or into Google. Takes only a few seconds...
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Hmmm but now that you brought it up, didn't Honda also have problems with their automatic transmissions????

    Yep the 5 speeds had a engineering design problem! This resulting in 2nd gear oil cooling(All trannys inspected and oiljet upgrade if no dicoloration, tranny replacement if there is wear/discoloration). The recall was for most 2001-2004 vans. The warrenty was extended to 100K miles for this tranny! There is also some issues with the third gear clutch pack.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    Sorry, I left out the winky eyed emotorcon indicating humor not to be taken seriously. I realize there is a search function...and have actually used it myself a few times. ;)

    That you would go to the lengths of searching back 10 months for data to support a post... indicates that you make a sincere effort at posting accurately/honestly. You are one of the more entertaining members on our minivans board, and I do enjoy reading your posts. So, don't get to :mad: at me. :shades:

    I do question your strategy of opening a battle on another front though. Best to finish dennistc off first...then go on to poor ole w9cw. ;)
  • cpsdarrencpsdarren Posts: 265
    "Sorry, I left out the winky eyed emotorcon indicating humor not to be taken seriously."

    See, socalawd? He fell for it. You can tell your crack team of grad student researchers to relax, now.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    See, socalawd? He fell for it. You can tell your crack team of grad student researchers to relax, now.

    Good, paying them all that overtime was killing me! :P
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Sorry, I left out the winky eyed emotorcon indicating humor not to be taken seriously. I realize there is a search function...and have actually used it myself a few times.

    In the immortal words of Homer!
    Doh!! :surprise:

    I do question your strategy of opening a battle on another front though. Best to finish dennistc off first...then go on to poor ole w9cw.

    Seems that w9cw is a very reasonable guy. Just wanted to point out nothings perfect. As for dennis there's no finishing him off. I only hope to cancel him out! :cry:
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I only hope to cancel him out!

    Keyword: HOPE

    Dream On!!!!
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