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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • Daimlerchrysler has a separate 6 DVD/CD changer at the bottom of the center stack. If you have a CD player in the radio, you can play both at the same time. I would like to get the Daimlerchrysler video system, but it cost $1800 installed. I've looked at other after market one's but none mount in the center stack and able to load 6 DVD/CD with audio/video inputs. :shades:
  • There is a separate changer for the CD and DVD, but the radio controls the audio/video to be played. There is a "mode" rocker switch on the radio which controls AM FM CD and VCR. There is also a switch called "rear" with a headphone symbol on the radio. When pushed it plays the selected radio station, CD or DVD through the headphones only. When playing a DVD thru the headphones for the kids, the mode switch can be pushed allowing the front passengers to listen to a CD or radio while the kid(s) watch a DVD. My Van is a 2003 DC
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Another example of DaimlerChrysler minivans offering nice options that the dim wits at CR can not appreciate.
    I vividly recall the ridicule that was thrown at DC when the 2001 DC minivans offered a power liftgate. Now, Honda brags about the Odyssey Touring having a power tailgate. :shades:
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I vividly recall the ridicule that was thrown at DC when the 2001 DC minivans offered a power liftgate.

    A great value at $400 available on ANY DCX minivan!! I use mine all the time and love it! Especially during the winter here in Detroit, when the cars are filthy and you don't want to even touch the exterior!!
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Now, Honda brags about the Odyssey Touring having a power tailgate."

    They do? I must have missed that......

    Does anyone doubt that DC will 'brag' when they introduce roll-down mid-row windows?
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    With DaimlerChysler's excellent three zone Heating/AC system, roll down second row windows are a feature I would rank way down on the bottom of my list, however since the competition has introduced it, it is now becoming a "standard". Ever open a second row window in almost any vehicle at highway speeds? The wind buffeting is ridiculous. I would much rather have fresh air, whether heated, cooled or just vent air, introduced quietly through the air vents.
  • I have the Navigation, which uses the DVD slot in the radio.. So I can only listen to the radio while the DVD w/ headphones are being used. I guess I could take out the NAv DVD, but I never have...
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Ever open a second row window in almost any vehicle at highway speeds? The wind buffeting is ridiculous."

    Very true.

    However, with kids in the car, we've found MANY MANY occasions when they like to be able to roll their own window down.

    It's not always just about ventilation; sometimes they just want to be able to see out better, or have a short conversation with someone standing next to the car (grandparent, a friend at school, saying goodbye to dad in the a.m., etc.).

    In fact, in our case the mid-row windows go down MORE frequently than the rear-hatch is opened.

    Let me put it this way: would you buy a car with a front passenger door window that was fixed in place? After all, you don't need that window to go down for ventilation....
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Of course I would not want my driver side front window to not go down, however, really the only times I ever use it are to grab a parking ticket in a parking ramp, and to pay an occasional toll when I have to venture south to the flatlands (AKA Illinois and their #%&$* toll roads!), and very rarely when sitting in the parked van not running.

    Second rows windows, much less required, and once again, way down on our list of requirements, however obviously not on yours, which is fine. No van on the market has the best features of all the brands put together.

    The DaimlerChrysler minivans will have second row opening windows when the 2008's come out anyways, so this will soon be a moot difference.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Of course I would not want my driver side front window to not go down..."

    Um, I specifically said front PASSENGER side window......

    All I was TRYING to point out is that ventilation at highway speeds is NOT the only reason to have roll down 2nd row windows. But it seems as though everytime a DCX owner discusses this issue, ALL that is ever said is "why would anybody want to roll down their window at highway speeds".

    "The DaimlerChrysler minivans will have second row opening windows when the 2008's come out anyways, so this will soon be a moot difference."

    Yes. At which time, it would be prudent for DCX to make a point that they now have roll down 2nd row windows. JUST as it is prudent for Honda to point out that they now have a power tailgate on the Touring model. I don't think Honda is BRAGGING about the point; I think it is mentioned just so that folks know it is available.

    "No van on the market has the best features of all the brands put together."

    Correct. They all have a pretty good mix of features and everyone has to decide just WHICH features are important to them and which are not.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    The mix of features along with a price of under $20K led us to purchase our third Caravan in the last 21 years, a 2006 Grand Caravan SE with Stow and Go, and an option package that included the three zone AC.

    I wouldn't have been able to touch a even a base Odyssey with no options for that kind of money, and it wouldn't have had the stowable second row seats available at any price.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "I wouldn't have been able to touch a even a base Odyssey with no options for that kind of money, and it wouldn't have had the stowable second row seats available at any price."

    Absolutely correct. The DCX vans DO offer incredible value.

    Unfortunately, after my wife had two seperate incidents in which she can close to rolling her old car, I demanded that our new van have stability control. Something unavailable, at any price, on the DCX vans.

    We all have our own criteria. My criteria led me to the Sienna and Ody. Unfortunately, all the side curtain airbags and stability control were extra cost options on the Sienna (though it had a number of other features we liked) and the cost for a Sienna equipped the way WE wanted was way too high.

    The Ody EX-L had MOST of what we 'wanted' and met all of MY minimum requirements. And I was able to negotiate a decent (though not terrific price) on one relative to a similarly equipped Sienna.
  • pjk2pjk2 Posts: 7
    ask questions... problems per vehicle...
    a "problem" can be a loose thread on a seat .. or it can be a tranny that's gone bad... is this a good way to "rate" vehicle? I think a bad tranny should be weighted as a 10 and a loose thread should be a 1.

    Also ... a Honda Odessey costs $10,000 more than a Chrysler minivan.
  • The fact that you need to order a Odyssey Touring or Sienna XLE to get a power liftgate is ridiculous. IMO this feature should be standard on EX/LE and above. That is a major reason I went with the Dodge Grand Caravan SXT. The power liftgate was a $400 option, and worth every penny! My wife won't drive a van without it.

    We're coming to the end of our lease in November. I have had a very enjoyable experience with the Dodge.
  • ask questions... problems per vehicle...
    a "problem" can be a loose thread on a seat .. or it can be a tranny that's gone bad... is this a good way to "rate" vehicle? I think a bad tranny should be weighted as a 10 and a loose thread should be a 1.


    Who should I ask you?? BTW I was responding to someone that mixed up thier figures in this over a year ago post. But since you asked have had almost 17 months of problem free driving and I get good gas mileage too!! Got 25mpg+ on recent 1500 mile road trip!! ;)

    Also ... a Honda Odessey costs $10,000 more than a Chrysler minivan.

    I doubt it more like 5K. But even at 10K it's a good value for me.

    But I will give you the award for slowest response to a post :P
  • The fact that you need to order a Odyssey Touring or Sienna XLE to get a power liftgate is ridiculous. IMO this feature should be standard on EX/LE and above. That is a major reason I went with the Dodge Grand Caravan SXT. The power liftgate was a $400 option, and worth every penny! My wife won't drive a van without it.

    I wouldn't buy one without side airbags and stability control. I can open the rear hatch myself. But don't worry I'm sure that the EX will get it standard soon. No wonder americans are so BIG!! ;) We need to push a button and let something else do the work for us!! :sick:

    We're coming to the end of our lease in November. I have had a very enjoyable experience with the Dodge.

    I'm sure you could buy it for a song after 2 years.
  • You have a problem with a power liftgate? My wife is short and it's very hard for her to reach the hatch and close it, especially in the winter when it's covered with ice & slush. Have you every considered that women are the primary operators of minivans and the power gate is a very useful convenience. And that's what minivans are all about IMO, otherwise we'd all be driving sports cars.

    You can get side air bags on the DCX vans now. As for stability control, I'm sure that will be included next year on the redesigned '08 models. I have never felt the need for it, but I know many people feel differently and I'm sure I'll be glad to have it.

    As for my Dodge, it has been reliable, comfortable, efficient, and affordable. It is also a GODSEND when dealing with carting kids around. You speak about it as if it was somehow diseased. What's your deal? My daily driver since 12/2002 is a Honda Accord, so I am pretty well versed in Honda ownership (the good and the bad).

    I can buy our our '05 for around $15.8K or so. But I am going to lease another one.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    And like anything that is the best, it also costs more. After owning a 2002 T&C LX and a 2006 Sienna LE, we are looking very closely at the 2007 Odyssey EX (cloth) but won't buy until early 2007 when prices come down a little.
    The Sienna just does not meet our expectations after reading the glowing reports by CR and Edmunds when the 2004 Sienna was tested. CR, Edmunds, Motor Trend, and others write about the primitive drive train, old fashioned pushrod engine, aging design, and in general bad mouth the DC minivans while praising the high tech engines and innovations of the Odyssey and Sienna.
    I hope the 2007 Odyssey will not be the big disappointment the 2006 Sienna has become. :sick:
  • You have a problem with a power liftgate? My wife is short and it's very hard for her to reach the hatch and close it, especially in the winter when it's covered with ice & slush. Have you every considered that women are the primary operators of minivans and the power gate is a very useful convenience. And that's what minivans are all about IMO, otherwise we'd all be driving sports cars.

    Then you need it I don't. I live in So. Cal. But I would love a sports car!! With 3 kids it's not gonna happen. YET!!

    You can get side air bags on the DCX vans now. As for stability control, I'm sure that will be included next year on the redesigned '08 models. I have never felt the need for it, but I know many people feel differently and I'm sure I'll be glad to have it.

    Actually it's head curtain not side airbags up front. Pretty soon all cars will have stability control.

    As for my Dodge, it has been reliable, comfortable, efficient, and affordable. It is also a GODSEND when dealing with carting kids around. You speak about it as if it was somehow diseased. What's your deal? My daily driver since 12/2002 is a Honda Accord, so I am pretty well versed in Honda ownership (the good and the bad).

    My Dodge was a little less than those things. I owned a 2001 caravan for almost 5 years. I'm way happier with the Ody. BTW all minivans are a GODSEND(Is this word used for some sort of effect??) for dealing with carting kids around. The dodge is a good value just not for me.

    I can buy our our '05 for around $15.8K or so. But I am going to lease another one.

    I tried to sell my 2001 caravan with 50K on it after a few months I just traded it in. Lost 60% of purchase price after getting 30% off up front. Still got more than anyone offered me in the OC.
  • Sound like you are enjoying your Odyssey. Good for you. I hope you travel many happy miles in it.
  • jipsterjipster Posts: 5,345
    hans, what happened from the time you test drove your 2006 Sienna to the time you think of it as a disappointment?

    Would you have done anything different in your purchasing decision if you could go back in time?

    If you didn't have enough road time in the Sienna van, you may want to think about renting the 2007 Ody or 2008 GC SXT for about a week to compare.
  • Sound like you are enjoying your Odyssey. Good for you. I hope you travel many happy miles in it.

    Yes I am, and the same to you. Minivans are all to overlooked when it comes to great safe economicial family transportation. I have owned 4 dodges and probably will own more in the future I've done probably 350K+ in them and never got stranded. One trany replacement and no engine problem2. Well my 1992 Caravan with the 3 liter did leak oil after 80K. The dodge didn't have the features I wanted but it had the price. ;) I probably shouldn't have bought it in the first place.
  • hans, what happened from the time you test drove your 2006 Sienna to the time you think of it as a disappointment?

    The toyota dealership personel drugged him before the test drive. How else do you think toyota keeps getting more market share with great customer satisfaction.

    Would you have done anything different in your purchasing decision if you could go back in time?

    He would have bought a Ody so he could trade it in for a Sienna now!! ;)

    If you didn't have enough road time in the Sienna van, you may want to think about renting the 2007 Ody or 2008 GC SXT for about a week to compare.

    Seriously wait for the 2008 GC or T&C to come out you maybe kicking yourself in the pants if it's as good as it seems it will be!! :shades:
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I test drove a 2004 Sienna and a 2005 Odyssey a few months before we bought the 2006 Sienna.

    At first, I loved the Sienna because of the much more comfortable driver's seat and better performance of the Sienna 3.3L V6 with 5 speed AT than the T&C 3.3L V6 with 4 speed AT.

    However, I was too careless to notice the 2006 Sienna did NOT have a cassette player but had the 6 CD in dash changer with MP3 capability. I have many nice cassettes, not many CD's, and no MP3 player. I also noticed that the shiny surface of the Sienna dash reflects sunlight into my eyes and this summer noticed there is MUCH more wind noise in the Sienna than in the T&C (probably since the roll down windows in sliding doors are recessed whereas the T&C windows are flush). It also became apparent that separately controlled temperature for the driver and front passenger is a MUST HAVE feature in any vehicle for my wife and I.

    What would I have done differently if I could go back in time? I would HAVE kept the 2002 Chrysler T&C LX and just NOT purchase a new vehicle....Sienna (or Odyssey). :shades:
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    Hans,

    You could correct your mistake by dumping the Sienna soon so it does not lose much more depreciation and go back to a T&C or Grand Caravan, and you might nearly break even, with the discounts Chrysler is giving. You probably won't be able to get a cassette player option much longer from any manufacturer, though I see Chrysler still offers that option on one of their sound system combinations. If you don't need all the space, you could even consider a short wheel base version, assuming you can live without stowable seats in either second or third row.

    From what I have observed, most people don't claim that Odyssey is all that quiet a minivan. Hard to beat either the old or new Chrysler twins for quietness

    Or, you can hang on for another year with the Sienna and wait to see what Chrysler's 2008 redesign will bring.

    The least expensive option, unfortunately you do not have anymore, which was to keep the old T&C. (unless you find a creampuff late model used one, perhaps that may be a good option?)

    It is never a good idea to trade away or sell a vehicle you are very happy with, unless it is getting up in mileage or you fear decreased reliability by driving an older vehicle.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Or, you can hang on for another year with the Sienna and wait to see what Chrysler's 2008 redesign will bring. "

    Probably your best bet, since cars lose a HUGE chunk in depreciation their first year and much less their 2nd (and subsequent) years. You've already lost that first year's depreciation. Selling now just to by ANOTHER new van (Ody or DCX) is just throwing good money after bad.

    Besides, just THINK of the deals you could get on a brand new '07 DCX once the all new '08's hit the dealer lots..... ;)
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    Actually, year one and two for the Honda/Toyota isn't all that bad. Year three and four jumps up a bit. Typically. The domestics take a larger pounding the first couple years. So...you could probably sell/trade the Toyota and buy a 1 or 2 year old T&C and make out like a bandit. I trade every 2-3 years and it's tough to beat the Hondas/Toyotas even if they are more expensive up front.
  • aaron_taaron_t Posts: 301
    Oddy EX doesn't have a cassette player either.

    You should wait for the 2008 DCX minivans so you potentially don't end up in the same situation a year from now.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    And if the '08 DC vans have a factory cassette player option I'd fall off my chair in disbelief. Gone like yesterday, regardless of how many you've got laying around.

    The Ody does have a dealer-installed Cassette option (as do a lot of other vehicles). It goes where the OEM DVD player goes, so if you have the RES you're out of luck.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "The Ody does have a dealer-installed Cassette option"

    Yep. Or one could buy the cassette player from HandA Accessories (around $190) and install it themselves.

    Instructions:

    http://www.handaaccessories.com/odyssey/05odyplayeratt.pdf
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