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  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    which is different from our all-new Amero-Accord, reportedly will be coming Stateside next year as the Acura TS sedan; the sedan counterpart for the RSX.


  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 PAPosts: 1,085
    they still don't know how to run elections here!

    - I voted and I can't get up!!!-
  • miksmimiksmi Silver Spring, MDPosts: 1,246
    This is too weird. I test drove a 2003 Baja (see: miksmi "Subaru Baja" Sep 12, 2002 2:00pm). Transcript:

    Mike: "I wish Subaru would bring over turbocharged Legacys like the GT-B and B4."

    Salesman: "In 2003, Subaru will introduce a turbocharged 2.5l Forester."

    Mike: "For the North American market?"

    Salesman: "Yes. That's subject to change [like all rumors] but that's my current information."

    Mike: "Are you sure? I know Subaru has a 2.0l turbocharged motor, like that for the WRX, but I'm not familiar with rumors of a 2.5l turbocharged motor."

    Salesman: "That's what I've been told. The Baja will get it next. Later, it will be introduced in other models."

    Mike: [closes mouth, brushes dirt off chin]

    Woah. Strange.

    Graham, you still need to weigh in.




  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    Good to see (read!) Mike Wordsmith back in action... :)

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    probably sound asleep as we are writing these posts. Something about being in Australia...

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Winter nights down under! :)

  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,264
    Paisan, they have spring coming up, Down Under.

    But I've also heard (read?) somewhere about 2.5T for Forester. I think I read somewhere that 2.0T will be considered too whimpy for the US SUV market... or something of sort.

    I've noticed on the site that they have 2.0T and normally-aspirated 2.0L for Foresters. I guess non-turbo 2.0 can be a bit whimpy for a Forester.
  • kate5000kate5000 Posts: 1,264
    well, it looks more and more like I will be going to South America this Oct. Brazilian visa's in the passport (they require this for the US citizens)!

    Questions for juice:
    1) although official Brazilian tour website does not require any vaccinations, tour company gently suggested to get some, because we'll visit Manaus (jungle area). Do you think it's really necessary?

    2) Is it true that border guards won't let me in the country until I can show them that I've mastered ssome samba moves? I'm working on my samba right now...

    --kate the traveler
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    in Australia now? (going to spring)

  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,552

    Yes, despite most Americans' concept that Australia is somewhere betwen the West Coast and Hawaii, we are actually about 13-15 hours ahead of you. It's a pity that no-one in the USA can apparently figure out the night and day thing (sorry but one weird phone call too many transferred from the office to my home, have made me jaded. Is there a polite way to explain time zone differences to someone who calls, expecting you to be in the office at 3:00am. It amazes me the number of bizarre conversations you can have with people along the lines of "I will get him to call you in five hours!" Oh, but I will have gone home then!". " No, I can't put you through to him because he is home in bed, asleep!" Sorry, grump concluded!)

    Just to be really confusing, I think you folk start seasons on the Solstices and Equinoxes but we start them on the first of the month before them. Hence we start Spring on 1 September, Summer on 1 December and so on. Given that it is now decidedly springlike with today topping 24 C (about 75F) I am feeling quite jolly.

    Mind you, Melbourne is famously changeable (sort of SF without so many fogs). The local jokes are "Don't like the weather, wait ten minutes..." and "Only city in the world where you go out each day wearing a swimsuit and an overcoat, carrying snowshoes and an umbrella". It makes for interest, particularly as it is a skyscraper city with fabulous views to the West where most of the weather rolls in.

    As to the 2.5l Turbo, I can't find the articles now but Subaru here have been repeatedly quoted as having the 2.5l Turbo in 2003.

    Given the turbo Forester was a massive seller here (ask the police or ambulance service about them - they love them) the absence of the turbo from the line-up is seen as a problem for Subaru. hence it has been a question on every reviewer's list. I have even seen what model designation it is supposed to have (possibly XT). I will keep my eyes open next time. Sorry but I presumed that it would automatically surface in the USA. Mind you, it took the USA a long time to get WRX models.

    Interesting to note that the Australian Motoring press has been fairly luke-warm on the new Forester seeing it as an advance but not a huge leap forward. More evolution than revolution, I guess.


  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    What was the price difference between the out-going Forester turbo and the non-turbo Forester? Is it (roughly) the same as that of the Impreza WRX, and non-turbo Imprezas?

    Also, as to your following quote, the same can be said here, as far as the motoring press is concerned. Everybody likes it, but it is seen as a evolution of the past model, and nothing more.


    << Interesting to note that the Australian Motoring press has been fairly luke-warm on the new Forester seeing it as an advance but not a huge leap forward. More evolution than revolution, I guess. >>
  • miksmimiksmi Silver Spring, MDPosts: 1,246
    Thanks, Graham. Here it is in "print" from Web Wombat ("the original Australian serach engine") Subaru launches 2nd generation Forester:
    For 2003, the Forester no longer has only 2.0-litre variants to choose from, but at the same token the charging Forester GT model, with a re-tuned turbocharged engine, sourced from the Impreza WRX, is no longer an option. Rumour has it that Subaru will release a 2.5-litre turbo GT model in 2004.



  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    Like the Oz report on the Forester, I too wish the US-spec model had the self-leveling rear suspension...

    BTW, here's their take on the new Baja.


  • miksmimiksmi Silver Spring, MDPosts: 1,246
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Think of it this way, would you pick a Baja or a Sport Trac? Given you wanted a light duty crew cab you could use day-to-day. Baja ain't perfect but there are no great choices out there in the compacts. The Dakota is too long and guzzles gas. The Nissan is just not very good. The Tacoma is pricey for its size.

    If Subaru can indeed get a 2.5T out soon, it'll dominate, flaws and all.

    Very interesting to see even Aussie turbos should get more displacement. Color me surprised. I swore the 2.0l with 217hp would make it here.

    911 lotto was wierd. I find it hard to believe it wasn't rigged, but that's OK. Did they show video of the numbers being picked?

    Bob: aren't they calling it the TSX? Interestingly, it rated 3 stars, where the old Accord got 4, and the Outback H4 and H6 also got 4 stars.

    Kate: some people get malaria pills, but honestly they are almost as bad as the real thing. Talk to your doctor, but I'd just use bug spray with deet.

    Manaus is nice but will feel very rustic. Wear comfy clothes and especially shoes. And ask if there are piranhas before diving in any water!

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Took yesterday off to take my toddler to school, and had about 2 hours to kill, so I drove a Pilot at Ourisman Honda.

    The sales guy said demand was strong, but the wait list for Odysseys is longer. While we were there, and Ody customer walked in complaining about a bad tranny (still an issue with those I guess). The salesman acted surprised and said "Really, that's strange".

    Any how, check it out closely, and drove it, and overall I felt...

    * comfy front seats
    * lots of storage
    * great cargo room and flat surface
    * torquey engine + smooth tranny shifts
    * very nice ride
    * commanding view

    * assembly quality was very poor
    * felt big, not at all sporty
    * 3rd row had no knee room
    * 2nd row seats are too low
    * tranny a little hesitant to shift down
    * massive markup on accessories

    The showroom model had a loose cover in the cargo area, the one over the jack. I thought it may be just that one, but on the one we drove had fallen off, and rattled when we put it back. Very poor design. Guess what the sales guy said? Yep, "Really, that's strange".

    The windshield wiper on the passenger side of one of them went beyond the window onto the A-pillar. The other was fine, so it must have been mis-assembled.

    The latches inside were hard and closed with loud clanks, anything but smooth. They new '03 Accord next to it had ultra-smooth latches, so it was uncharacteristic of Honda.

    It drove very nicely and gives people what they really want, so I'm sure it'll sell well. Not my type of ride, nor my wife's. I kind of prefer the Odyssey. In fact it's like driving an Odyssey while sitting on two phone books.

    I forget the exact prices, but cross bars were something like $700, and these goofy chrome bumper accents were $900. $120 for pin stripes, and something like $120 for lousy wheel locks! Those things cost 20 bucks! Prices were in the $35k range for the EX-Leather accessorized.

    No moonroof, either. Only the MDX gets it. You can get a DVD or Navi, but not both. 2 month wait, he said, 4 month wait for Ody.

    I'd wait the extra 2 months.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    the quality. The ones I've seen seem fined, in that respect. I agree with you about the options, and the pricing of them.

    As to the size issue, you ought to take out a "traditional" truck-based SUV sometime, it will make you appreciate just how good the handling of the Pilot is. You're just too used to small, nimble Subies... ;)

  • kenskens Posts: 5,869

    Nice write up and interesting point about the poor assmebly quality. Where is the Pilot manufactured?

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The only SUV I've driven for an extended period was an older Rodeo we had for a week in Texas. Even did a road trip to South Padre Island. It was a friend's sister car and we had it for the whole week.

    It was smaller, but was definitely more fun to drive than the Pilot. Road noise was a bit high, but it was roomy and comfy. Gas mileage was so-so, and it was a little succeptible to cross winds. But it was also a much older, used model, and still had fewer rattles.

    Honda gave up on "fun to drive" entirely and made a plush cruiser for suburban moms, nothing wrong with that. Except the rattles.

    I think they make in US and Canada, I'm not sure which plant does Pilots and which does Odys.

    The new Accord was right next to it, so I checked that out, too, but didn't drive it. Interestingly, assembly quality seemed much better. Latches had a muffled click to close, much smoother. Everything seemed well thought out. Tighter panel gaps, fewer visible welds, etc.

    Thumbs down on the tiny tach, way way off to the left side. Hated it. The lit speedo was OK, kind of a cheap Lexus imitation.

    Honda sells far more Accords, and supply is almost infinite, so maybe they paid more attention to their volume model.

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