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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans
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IMO you can't get the CarMax or KBB values in the real world for any auto - Chryslers or Hondas included. If you really want to see what people are paying go to e-bay. Check on the "completed items". If you do I'll bet you find 05 T&C go for about $5K less than Oddys, which they probably paid for in the initial purchase. E-bay can be variable but you'll get the overall picture.
In the long run buy what you want and can afford and don't get too hung up on value. I liked the T&C because it is the smoothest van out there with all the toys my kids want. If all I wanted was value I would have bought one of the 07 T&C at invoice minus the $4500 rebate with the included the Lifetime Powertrain warranty. Those guys made out like bandits.
I am shopping for a T&C right now and don't want the light cream color interior but I have yet to see one with the grey interior.
I've complained about this too. I wish they offered black leather. However, I had to buy the medium slate and it definitely darker than the beige. The color is very close to what they show in the brochure for it but darker than what they show at their website when you "build your own".
I think a black leather would have looked best.
Go read ALL the problems with the Odyssey Transmission in another forum. Honda has stolen the "MOST UNRELIABLE Transmission" title from Chrysler.
You can see what one of the seats looks like in Medium Slate Gray/Light Shale if you go to chrysler.com > Build My Own. Select that option for the interior color. No pics of the whole interior though.
I'm just the opposite, so I guess that averages things out. I'd gladly pedal 34 miles RT to work in the rain and snow before I'd own a Honda, even if it was given to me free.
Best Regards,
Shipo
I'm totally SHOCKED!!!! Really SHOCKED!!!
As mentioned previously, I'm itching for a new vehicle and recently driven an 08 Ody EX-L with the back up camera built into the rearview mirror. Since Honda has just recently started heavily discounting their Minivans, they're worth considering if one doesn't need all the bell and whistles and better warranty available on a Chrysler.
Regarding the "claim" that Honda's been discounting Odys since 2005..that is totally BS. One has only to go to the prices paid for Odys to see this just happened this past fall, when Honda tried to claim the "Best selling Minivan" nameplate from Chrysler. Honda failed....but they're continuing to discount heavily.
I had to remind him that sitting on our driveway was a wonderful 15 year old Dodge Shadow that never gave us a hint of trouble.
I also think maybe the dealership we traded the caravan to might have actually sold that clunker. It will be 10 years this June, but it felt like we'd had it 3 decades. Hope they made all the repairs and that maybe the new owners stand a chance.
You're the one that claimed people were paying "sticker" for Odys early last year. If they did, they're dumber than the average bear.
I never said anything about Honda discounting (i.e. rebates) back in '05 although they did have some special financing (2.9% for 60 months) off and on in '05. They also had dealer marketing (i.e. backdoor rebate) on Odys in '06 and '07 with consumer rebates showing up mid-'07. It is a three year model now so I would expect it do show some age and require some discounting. Particularly in the flat minivan market.
No I didn't, they were paying sticker back in 2005 or above sticker even, last time I looked into a new car. Honda started heavily discounting Odys last fall.....it's unbelievable the discounds on them now!! Well under invoice! They must feel they have competition now to be discounting like that!!
What am I missing from that statement?
I paid $300 over invoice for my Ody in April of 2005. It was $31,764 for an EX-L R&N and they gave me kbb "excellent" value for my trade with little negotiation. I normally would never trade, but the offer surprised me a bit (for a full-size V8 suv at that...) and I would have needed another $1,700 from a private party just to break-even on the sales tax savings. I see the invoice on an '08 Ody identical to mine is now nearly $1,600 more than it was in '05. So even when they had $3,500 rebate/marketing support on the '07's, it's not that far off from what I paid.
As usual Dennis your wrong. I posted many times about my deal. Here is one of my posts from 2005. I really wish you had some substance with your propaganda! :P As far as the recalls had the relay one done. So Honda is winning 1 recall to 3 for my 2001 Caravan. BTW I am blessed, now that I have my Ody compared to what I drove before.
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I do wonder why Honda is now discounting like Dodge - up to $6000 on overpriced Touring models!! and what that says about the worth of Odys? I also get embarrasing offers, just recently from Honda due to my Sam's Club request.....
What was the embarrassing offer?Did they offer you real world trade in value on your Caravan??
Ohh I meant it's embarrassing for Honda, to have to stoop to discounting to move vehicles! It's also embarassing for a sales person to have to send me an email trying to sell me a car (like it is for you to be contacted). God forbid someone has a job to do, and does it!
I just saw a post on here - $4000 below invoice? That is amazing, and a bargain if you're set on a Honda. I bet, being as blessed as you are, the dealer would trade you even up for a new 2008 for your 2005! Of course, discounting/dumping has no effect on Honda's resale, only other's.
Don't forget not to buy a Bimmer, Mercedes, Audi, or VW, since they are all German (remember Hitler?). Also, no Jags, or Rolls Royce, since we fought them in the Revolutionary War.
Sorry, you're argument is a poor one here, one that helps promote racism. It also has nothing to do with the vehicles, but rather the companies. There is a section for "News and Views" which a host would probably link you to properly.
"Chrysler - the people who built the rugged, dependable Dodge Army 3/4 truck that helped win WW II on both fronts". :shades:
Yes it is, but I love that he knows I'm blessed. BTW check out my carspace got a nice pic of me putting chains on the Ody in the Sequioia's. Also a nice pic of my girl enjoying the Ody comforts!
No there's is that bait and switch trade in crap all by mail. So no ones contacting me they're just fishing. Nice to see Honda has better sales people that are more personable.
just saw a post on here - $4000 below invoice? That is amazing, and a bargain if you're set on a Honda. I bet, being as blessed as you are, the dealer would trade you even up for a new 2008 for your 2005! Of course, discounting/dumping has no effect on Honda's resale, only other's.
Why is this so important to you?? Dodge has been doing it for 15 years you should be used to it.
Hardly....I'm out with customer yesterday at lunch and who called me on my cell, a Honda salesperson. I get back to my home office, and what's on my answering machine, another message from same person wanting me to set up to come in for test drive. Ohh and someone from Sam's Club calls, making sure the Honda dealership called. At least i'm not getting crap mail from them yet.
Why is this so important to you?? Who knows, another few thousand off invoice and I might be willing to accept less features, less flexibility, less towing capacity, less gears, inferior warranty and older technology.
Without a doubt, this speaks volumes to what Honda thinks of Chrysler's new minivans, that they have to resort to massive discounting...... If what all you Honda folks claim, that everyone buys at invoice, then $4000 below that is what? $6000+ off MSRP????
At least Chrysler is up front with rebates to their customers, whereas Honda doesn't announce it, and dealers could really take advantage of the uninformed buyer. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some dealers still asking for Additional Dealer Markup! Of course Honda is trying to maintain the perception of great value etc.....hence, lets not announce deals publicly.
Are there incentives on the Sienna??
I always assumed that resale values that were high meant the vehicle was better quality. So why is the caravan such a low resale on it? We'd be lucky to get 2 grand on resale with ours. That's why we took that tacoma and left running before the dealer changed his mind on the deal we had worked out.
Well I think the best thing to do is go drive each van. Figure out what one suits your needs and the go to the prices paid forum to see if you can afford the one you'd like. I really do like the Ody, but Bodge has finally got with the side airbag/ESC which I think is very important although CR says the stopping distance is still a problem. Buying something is all about what you can live with. Each person has different needs/wants, I try not to put everyone in the same box (Everyone needs are different) and tell people what issues they have with their cars(How would I know). I only know I had problem with Dodge in the past. Your results may vary.
Not really it speaks volumes to what our economy is doing.
Not really it speaks volumes to what our economy is doing.
Check out sales of luxury cars etc....sales have increased, and the imports are doing pretty well too. It has to do with products. If Honda was dumping vehicles across the board, you'd be right on blaming the economy. They're heavily discounting the Pilots too, as a new redesign is on it's way. I think even Chrysler isn't discounting their minivans as much as Honda, based on Prices Paid for Odys!! And Honda's reporting profits, much of which is flowing back to Japan.
My sister drives 2001 Ody EX. Her daughter has a loaded 2006 Pilot. The Ody has MORE interior space and can take 7 people in comfort while the Pilot can take 5 people in comfort + 3 small children with virtually NO cargo space behind 3rd row.
My sister lives in the first house they bought in 1969 ( 2nd owner) while her daughter is in the 3rd NEW house they purchased. Guess which one has no financial concerns?
We needed some comfort in seating and cargo as well. With an oldest child driving, the only time all of us are in the vehicle are for church and for family trips. It just made more sense to do a crossover this time around. I have tons of cargo, I can even decide not to stack groceries up high when I do major load and kids are not with me by easily lowering the seats. I still do groceries quite comfortably.
And they all sit easily in the rear, one still in car seat, the other over 6 feet tall. Yes, I have every spectrum back there. lol It is rather fully loaded because we have dvd players in the rear headrests, but mostly I am thrilled that every one can sit comfortably and as our children get older, we don't have quite the same minivan needs.
I am impressed with the much better mileage as well. I am not so concerned about shuttling other kids around. Frankly, I have enough with my kids so my excuse is, got no room for yours. And I just really like not having the family truckster feel when I travel. it was good when the kids were smaller but now I am covering some greys and keeping some youth too :shades:
It works both ways.
The host is here to step in if things get out of hand, that's their job (and KarenS is pretty good at it!).
To those who snipe at the stow and go seating, I am 6'4' and weigh 250 lbs, if you adjust the headrest and the angle of the stow and go even you too can be comfortable in the second
Um, no I can't (6'5" 195). Been there, tried that, in both the Swivel 'N' Go as well as Stow 'N' Go at the auto show. You're upset that people are telling you what to like, but that's exactly what you are doing. They offer unmatched flexibility, but lack comfort to MY BODY, especially compared to the large captains chairs in the Odyssey EX that I drove/rode in across the country twice. We aren't all made the same, and even though you're big, it doesn't mean that because you find the seats comfortable, we all will. I'm proof that that is not the case. :P
Take a little of your own advice - it is the owners money, they should pick the van that appeals to them most; no owner should tell others what is best, because best is relative. For owners wanting max flexibility, the DCX is great; for owners wanting the most carlike driving experience, the Odyssey is a fine choice, etc...
If we agree that everyone's benchmark for "best" is different, things will go by a lot smoother for us all.
I could not find a specific current forum to post these comments.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Well I did look and luxury car sales in February of 08 down 9%(Doesn't sound good to me) from February 07. SUV's down 26% now small cars are up 1.4%. There's the only sector that seems to be able to hold the value. Of course Honda/Toyota make lots of small cars with good gas mileage. Minivan are not a hot market, I was really surprised that the Ody ever sold over MSRP. Sure moneys flowing out of america soon we will make virtually nothing here, try and buy electronics assembled here. I work in the semiconductor manufacturing business(next week we'll be shut down due to no work) and very soon I will probably be moving to the medical business. If capitalism is all about profit soon most of our money will be going to China. I dare you to throw out everything not made in the United States. Heck my 2001 Caravan was made in Canada and owned by a German company(Boy we showed them a thing or 2 about losing money)We prefer to have someone else make it for us, it's cheaper and easier. And that is what we've become. BTW I just saw a Pontiac G8 I was like wow thats cool and cheap. Guess what it is designed/built in Australia.
But both GM/Chrysler are Amercian companies, and when you buy one of their products the profits/taxes etc.. benefit the USA even if a particular model is built in Canada or Mexico. Sure the G8 was developed in Australia but using many US designed components like engines, trannies etc... This RWD platform will be responsible for many variations built in the USA. Those profits trickle down into suppliers who research, design and manufacture new technologies/product here in the USA.
Even my 01 S-10 has them standard. It's an LS options package, but even the base model S-10's starting in I think 1999 had them standard... It's funny that a 15K GM truck has them standard while a HONDA - The "benchmark for quality" does not ....