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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado
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DING! Yes they are free. That's what standard means
Standard means free huh? So, does that mean if I order a truck with no options, I get it free? hmmm What a deal.
No but 2000# is significant, and no 2WD T900 Silverado is within 1500# of the Tundra and in most cases it's over 2000# less than the Tundra.
BTW, don't try to offer the Silvy with the Max Trailering Package.... you can't buy a T900 Silvy that way, Chevy isn't offering it this year. ... Maybe next year.
That is NOT the reason. I am not going through this again. Want to know the real reason? Research it like I did.
One possible reason that a new Tundra would get a fully boxed frame is if it offers a 3/4 ton or 1 ton variant. That is expected as any of those trucks from Ford, Dodge, Chevy, and GMC also have it.
Again, nobody is arguing the strength aspect, but I find it hilarious that though there is no difference cited (by those that actually compared the trucks without the off-road package on the Tundra) that there is this perceived notion that the Tundra is somehow weaker. All of its numbers are better than the Chevy in that regard. So how is that proved? The frame they're using is obviously strong enough to do what any other truck can do and more.
BS, have you shopped Chevy's? I drove one with it. Nice try!!!
That isn't offered on the Silverado. And I like your logic on having more things "optional" as a benefit. Oh yes, please do not include that with my purchase!! I want to pay "extra" for it! I really hope you were kidding!
That is funny since that was their big claim to fame for much of the last 3 decades... now suddenly that they aren't 1st in this area (in the 1/2 ton market) it is suddenly "unimportant". But hey, the Tundra has low tow hooks...
Options ARE a benefit. If you think std = free, you really are ignorant.
You guys are unbelievable, I give up.
Enjoy your wannabe Toyotas.
The only thing I've read here that I respect coming from the GM guys is that the interior is nice. And quite frankly, after I saw the seam on the Silverado in the show room with differing gaps from one end to the other, I was again reminded of some of the manufacturing problems they've experienced. Even if that was an anamoly, fine, no worries. It is a subjective matter anyway and the Denali looks like it is the only truck offering an actual nice interior that may sway me from the Tundra. The Silverado, fully-boxed frame and all, simply isn't as capable (and moreso for me just does not offer as much room in the back seat). The Denali may be able to convince me to give that up, but I'll wait and see...
Pricing. This is the dilema in which GM finds itself now.
The answer to your question is Yes these safety features are FREE if you are a truck buyer. That's nuts you say. How is it possible? This won't be pretty, so hold your anger in check.
GMT900 EC 2WD 5.3L ... DC 2WD 5.7L
Model ....Silvy .... Sierra .... Tundra
Base Pr. 28590 .... 28990 .... 28110
Freight... 900 ...... 900 ...... 645
Total..... 29490 .... 29890 .... 28755 ( $700 and $1100 less expensive )
But the T900's are missing the following equipment
6 Speed tranny - Not Available at any price
Side and curtain airbags - $395
Stabilitrak - $425
Tow Package!!! - $675
Damped Tailgate - $95
So just to bring the T900's up to the same equipment level as the Tundra you have to add $1590 to a Base which is already $700 to $1100 higher than the Tundra.
So the proof is in the numbers - again. Yes you do get all the safety features for FREE in the Tundra, as compared to the T900's. As I mentioned this is GM's dilema. To be competitive now with the Tundra ( and Titan ) they have to
add these features costing $1500 and they have to lower their base price too...just to be equal. DING!!! That's a marketing problem.
BTW the F150 and Ram are even worse in comparison.
I bought mine (ordered from factory, not off lot) for INVOICE!! or about $4000 UNDER msrp.
Now crunch the numbers...
NOTHING in life is free....
Capability: Both are equivalent. Period.
Looks: Subjective, but GM wins IMO
Ride: Regardless of suspension..GM wins
Options: GM has MORE..and it IS a benefit. I get to buy what I want, and nothing more.
Interior: Again, subjective, but GM's is better based on majority.
Technology: GM has MORE Especially when they make their 6-speed tranny std next year. (see earlier post regarding production).
Biggest reason why GM wins: Experience...They have been in the full size truck segment since the dawn of automobiles. Toyota hasn't. End of story.
Enjoy your Toy trucks, have fun at the racetrack, I'll be on the water.
Capability: Both are equivalent. Period.
Looks: Subjective, but GM wins IMO
Ride: Regardless of suspension..GM wins
Options: GM has MORE..and it IS a benefit. I get to buy what I want, and nothing more.
Interior: Again, subjective, but GM's is better based on majority.
Technology: GM has MORE Especially when they make their 6-speed tranny std next year. (see earlier post regarding production).
Biggest reason why GM wins: Experience...They have been in the full size truck segment since the dawn of automobiles. Toyota hasn't. End of story.
Enjoy your Toy trucks, have fun at the racetrack, I'll be on the water.
I see, so GM is ahead in technology because they will bring a 6-speed transmission NEXT year that is available this year on the Tundra? Yes, they must be the leader in this department!
You're entitled to your opinion; everyone is and nobody will knock you for that. I can't say that I agree with you on most all of those accounts (especially Looks, Ride, Options, Interior, and Technology). If you want to claim capability is comparable, I can agree to that since I guess that 95% of the people making this an issue will never even approach the max capability once, never mind on a regular basis.
I like the looks of the Tundra and the Options, Interior, and Technology are all better in my opinion. Ride I can't honestly comment on because I haven't test driven both vehicles. I don't know how anybody can make that assertion and be absolutely confident in it. At best if you just don't want to get in the Tundra and drive it, fine nobody will force you. But saying that it is better based on a flawed comparison wouldn't hold up in any review, not just this one. I can trust a few things to online magazine comparison tests, but things like that I have to go and do myself.
I'll give GM the experience department on this, but with a couple of caveats. Toyota has way more experience in producing high-quality autos; so give them their due credit if you're going to use the "experience" claim. Secondly, the Tacoma absolutely trounces the competition and badly... the Canyon and Colorado? Nada... 5 cylinder engines and stale interior don't make a good mid-size truck. I know we're not talking about here, but the point you made about experience in trucks has to transcend both ways (not just up to 3/4 and 1 tons). As noted in another post, you'd be hard pressed to find GM SUVs trolling the globe in anywhere near the numbers that Toyotas are. So, just be fair to them. Just because they aren't selling a boat-load of full-size trucks here doesn't mean that they don't know what they're doing. GM, Ford, and Dodge are only dominant in that area because they haven't had any real competition. With the Titan, and Tundra out, that can be said to be at least partially fulfilled. We'll see which way sales will go for GM and which way they'll go for Toyota in a few years...
It is being offered on Sierra's but not on Silverado's, The subject of this forum.
It was offered last year on the T800's. Weird. A little more research will assist you.
That's a good deal and one anybody can also get with a Tundra - with a $3000 discount....except in the end his Tundra will have more features and do more than your nice riding and solid feeling Silvy.
Sounds like more value. Enjoy yours.
Where did say that? Show me.
I didn't pay $28,000, I paid $37,000 after rebates (msrp was just under 43K). And I can guarantee the Toyota with the same equipment is more. I know, I checked. I've been researching this purchase since last summer, I left no stone unturned. Have you?
Either way though, you're not getting it in the 2007 Silverado, that is all I meant by it. You can't count that as a feature if it isn't available today. Otherwise I can say that the Tundra is better because in 2009 they'll offer a hybrid diesel or whatever. Compare what is being done and available now. Both vehicles are new for this year, so that shouldn't be a stretch to do...
msrp $42,900
Invoice (which I paid): $38,929
less $2000 in rebates = $36,929
I was just putting Toy lover's claim to fame in it's place.
I can say that the things you think aren't important...Rear Locker, Fully Boxed Frame to name a couple, have much more practical use in a TRUCK than a 1/4 mile time.
I guess like the 6 spd tranny they didn't have the capacity to give it to all the trucks.
Well you couldn't have done all the research since the Toyota data only came out after you placed your order. Understandable that you picked the best truck - at that time - given the data available.
BTW the Sierra prices are even at a bigger disadvantage to the Tundra than the Silverado is.
Sierra EC 4WD 6.0L is $32990 Base before options
Tundra DC 4WD 5.7L is $31805 Base before options
Like I said, I did my homework and was an informed buyer. Saved me ALOT of money.
Ford ( was there first ) and GM koolaid. You've bought into the marketing bling-bling lock stock and barrel.
It does ride nicer and it is prettier.
I was at a C-H-E-V-R-O-L-E-T dealer and test drove a CHEVROLET SILVERADO LTZ 4x4 (fully loaded) with the MAX TRAILERING PACKAGE (listed in black and white on the window sticker). With 4.10's. I drove it before the GMC's were available with the 6.0 and wanted to test drive the 6.0....got it?
This comparison is just funny to me. The Chevy posters' logic can be summed up as follows:
- when there is an attribute that Chevy barely edges the Tundra on, it is VASTLY important and critical to the operation of a truck.
- when the Tundra has attributes better then the Silverado then those don't matter at all
It is equivalent to running a race here, except that as the Chevy logic goes, being first isn't winning, that is defined as being in the middle of the pack! Gimme a break will ya? Make up your mind! Sheesh, you make a truck that is too good and you guys post that it isn't important or that your 3/4 or 1 ton trucks are better, and then using the same attribute comparison, you say that it wasn't enough for the 2006 model. Well what, you want Toyota to slow down the Truck, make it tow a few hundred pounds less, have it be as ugly as the Silverado and give it the same lack of entertainment and technological features as the Silverado? Yeah, that will make it better!
Uh huh...14hp and 26lb-ft of torque is just HUGE!!!
And both are supposedly capable of towing 5 tons? Good Luck with that.
Hmm, I wonder if the Tundra would tow my 3500# boat any better? Put things in perspective and the power difference is a non-issue. Heck, my 2000 with the 285hp 5.3L tows my boat just fine. Also, back in 2000, it was top of the heap in HP. Hmm, wonder how long the mighty Tundra will hold the HP crown? These HP wars are a joke.
Gotta run, unlike jreagan, this really is my last post until tomorrow!