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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado

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  • greenteamgreenteam Member Posts: 27
    i have driven both the new 5.7 tundra and all of the other 1/2 ton trucks side by side.. loaded with 1000lbs payload.. and towing 3500 lbs with payload.. my opinion is that the chevy-gmc product is comparable (2007) with the tundra.. all others are far back.. imo the tundra with its 6spd tranny, bigger brakes, vsc trac, bigger rear end is the better value/buy/product than the chev.. however the chev is still a nice product..btw the tundra smoked them all in acceleration..
  • lazygoodanlazygoodan Member Posts: 4
    Once again, you are ignorant of the facts. The only UAW members employed by Toyota are the ones at the GM-Toyota joint venture plant in Freemont, CA (NUMMI). The Flat Rock, MI plant owned by Mazda/Ford also has UAW members. Otherwise, NONE of the foreign owned plants have UAW members.
    Some of the best jobs in the US auto industry are not the UAW factory jobs, but the design, engineering, and R&D jobs that are NON-UAW salaried workers. The fact is that Toyota does much of this work outside the country. There is a small tech center in Ann Arbor, MI, but no where near as big as even the DCX Tech Center in Auburn Hills, MI, much less Ford's campus in Dearborn, or GM's in Detroit and Warren, MI. My numbers include salaried and hourly jobs, non-union and union. The source for those numbers are the individual companies, Automotive News, and the AIAM.

    The 70% number is as of 2005 (source = Automotive News).

    The first transplant was built by Honda in Marysville, OH and started producing Accords in 1981. That's why I started from 1980.

    YOU (not me) brought up that Toyota is such an American company. I'm just trying to show the point that the Big 3 are still (BY FAR) the most American companies, producing the most vehicles, employing the most people, and paying the most taxes in this country.
    Yes, Toyota is building plants here. One of their plants got such a large tax break that EACH JOB costs the state $360,000 in tax incentives.

    Both the Tundra and the Silverado are great products. My whole point here is that you CANNOT say the Tundra is "more American" than the GM trucks. More parts are coming from overseas. Yes, this is true. It's part of globalization. Ultimately, more $$ of a Tundra's sale go to Japan than $$ of GM truck. That's a fact.

    I have facts to compare, as you can see. And the facts support my point.
  • geo9geo9 Member Posts: 735
    I guess I have to be literal :
    Trailer hitch........aka Trailering Platform aka class 4
    or whichever weight rated hitch PLATFORM that is installed. No vehicle mfr. gives you the actual
    "hitch" aka ball and leveling bar assembly...........

    Locker, Posi aka limited slip nowadays.
    Limited slip is preferred because a true locker does
    not allow for unequal wheel turning (like rounding a
    corner) without axle hop or chatter.
    The best true locker applications are mainly for drag racing.
    No light truck (or car) mfrd.that I know of has a true locking rearend anymore.
    Back in the dark ages mfrs. had their own trade names:
    Safe-t-trac, Traction lock

    Sorry to confuse you...........
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    This is too funny.

    Toyota Tundra with TOW PACKAGE (which is standard equipment on V8 models) includes the following:

    "V8 Tow Package [2]
    Heavy-duty tow hitch receiver, 7-pin connector, Trailer brake controller prewire, Supplemental transmission cooler, TOW/HAUL mode (not available with 4.7L V8), Automatic-transmission temperature gauge, 4.100 rear axle ratio (on 4.7L models) or 4.300 rear, axle ratio (on 5.7L models)"

    http://www.toyota.com/tundra/models.html

    I know you may soil your computer actually (gasp) LOOKING at the info on Toyota's website. But if Toyota says the V8 models include a hitch receiver, I don't know why you guys continue to foist the crap about not having a hitch.

    "Locker, Posi aka limited slip nowadays.
    Limited slip is preferred because a true locker does
    not allow for unequal wheel turning (like rounding a
    corner) without axle hop or chatter.
    The best true locker applications are mainly for drag racing.
    No light truck (or car) mfrd.that I know of has a true locking rearend anymore. "


    Again, too funny. There is a BIG difference between a locker rear-end and a limited-slip. I'm sure that others will tell you this as well. Just how towing inclined ARE YOU if you don't know this?

    BTW - The new GM's DO HAVE an automatic locker rear-end rather than a limited slip.
  • geo9geo9 Member Posts: 735
    The towing figures in post 257 are comparing the
    tundras 5.7 vs. 4.8 figures............

    Lets do 4x4 reg. cab. short box with the 4.7 and 4.8 engines
    tundra: 8200 lbs.
    Silverado: 8900 lbs.

    RORR:
    I DO know how to tow and have a Chevy 2500 to do it with !
    You see I ACTUALLY OWN a truck !!!!!!!!!!!
    My camper, boat, or watercraft (I would refer to them as
    "jetskis" but I must remember to be "literal" so NOT to
    confuse anyone) need to be towed.

    And yes I know what a true LOCKING REAR is.........
    Even they are not installed in pass.cars or light trucks
    anymore...........
  • beliasbelias Member Posts: 316
    If you want the best towing specs, compare the "Best" towing models... do Tundra's 5.7L to Chevy's 6.0. The highest numbers for each are 10,800 and 10,500 lbs. Not much difference...
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    Rorr, edmunds tells that them tundra ones don't come with that hitch now. Guessin that edmunds knows them ones, and they say no hitch. Seems like workin them without that hitch mean lack of that haul. Now if folks go to addin that hitch, what happens to that warranty on em? We haul 7 to 8 tabacco trains nose to tail. Don't need to be bustin one of them ones doin this without that factory warrenty now. Seems like them older tundras had some hitch mystery too. Have you seen them new ones with that factory hitch? How bout them pumpkins, they full size? Need to know that we can work em at that farm now. Lookin for folks who eye balled em, not read on em. Good luck on this one now!
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    "Rorr, edmunds tells that them tundra ones don't come with that hitch now."

    Edmunds is wrong.
  • greenteamgreenteam Member Posts: 27
    all v8 tundras come with tow package standard!! that information direct from toyota corporate.. they decided two weeks ago to make it standard.. that is why there is a discrepancy.. all standard...
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Earth to geo....

    Edmunds is not the final source for information. There is an outside possibility their data is not completely up-to-date ( they are missing all the information on the 5.7L introduced last month )...Hellooo. Again have you been asleep for a year or two. You really didn't know about any of this?

    The Toyota website is the source. It won't bite you or leave a scarlet letter on your forehead if you click on the Toyota site. It's amazing what you'll find on the competition's website, such as the fact that GM has taken away the top towing capacity from the Silvy and given it to the Sierra. It's made the Silvy very middle of the pack.

    Also note the PRICES AND the Features that are STANDARD on
    the Silverado and either the tundra
    doesn't offer or must be purchased on a more expensive "package".....................


    please explain this gibberish.

    Here is what the Silverado is lacking in standard equipment
    6 spd tranny
    Max Trailering Package ( in the Sierra not the Silvy )
    auto LSD
    Side and Curtain airbags
    Stability control / Trac control
    Brake assist
    Tailgate damper

    When you add all this to bring the Silvy near the Tundra ( the Silvy still can't tow more than 9000# ) the pricing tops out around $35000 vs $33000 for the Tundra. The Sierra with similar equipment to the Tundra ends up around $37000 vs $33000 for the Tundra.

    This is going to be a tough fight..rebates coming soon on the GM twins.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    To be direct... see you in 3 years.

    The new Tundra's with the biggest rearend in the field is just hitting the street, fields this week. Go drive one. You will be shocked.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    Funny. Very funny. I think what you have to remember is that Ford, Chevy, and Dodge ALL offer LIGHT DUTY pickups that can tow FAR more than the Toyota. Yes, these are the 1 Ton versions of the SILVERADO, RAM, and F SERIES. However, if you want to compare the "TUNDRA" with the "SILVERADO", "F-SERIES", "RAM", etc, you have to compare ALL models in the lineup. Otherwise, offer the disclaimer that you are comparing 1/2 ton models ONLY!!! Also, metion that Toyota offers NOTHING MORE THAN A 1/2 TON, and NO DIESEL (It's coming doesn't cut it if someone wants one now). If you want to compare gas engines, both Ford and GM offer gas engines with FAR MORE TORQUE than the Tundra, and can be had in a 3/4 ton 2wd standard cab, not just a Dually (ALSO, something Toyota doesn't offer). BTW, Chevy DOES offer a 6 speed auto. It's made by ALLISON- a division of GM- and it's more bulletproof than ANY reputation Toyota thinks it has!!!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Well that's exactly what I said in my post.

    If you need to tow more than what's shown in that chart then you need a diesel. For the present in the 1/2-ton segment the Tundra is the Boss in just about every performance category. The others are close ( Sierra ), in the middle ( Silvy /Titan ) or not in the same class ( F150 / Ram ).

    The GM/Isuzu DuraMax diesel with the Allison tranny is Boss in the diesel category.
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    "I think what you have to remember is that Ford, Chevy, and Dodge ALL offer LIGHT DUTY pickups that can tow FAR more than the Toyota. Yes, these are the 1 Ton versions of the SILVERADO, RAM, and F SERIES."

    Yes. The Tundra 1/2ton truck doesn't tow as much as the competition's 1 ton versions. SURPRISE!!!!

    "However, if you want to compare the "TUNDRA" with the "SILVERADO", "F-SERIES", "RAM", etc, you have to compare ALL models in the lineup. Otherwise, offer the disclaimer that you are comparing 1/2 ton models ONLY!!!"

    Fair enough.

    The new '07 1/2 ton Toyota Tundra compares very well with the new '07 1/2 GMC Sierra/Chevy Silverado. The new '07 1/2 ton Toyota Tundra is substantially better than the 1/2 ton offerings from Ford and Dodge.

    Disclaimer: these claims only apply to 1/2 ton models. Expect similar claims when Toyota releases HD versions of the Tundra. If someone wants a 1 ton or diesel truck NOW, they can skip the Toyota dealer.

    "If you want to compare gas engines, both Ford and GM offer gas engines with FAR MORE TORQUE than the Tundra, and can be had in a 3/4 ton 2wd standard cab, not just a Dually (ALSO, something Toyota doesn't offer)"

    I thought we were comparing 1/2 ton versions? Are you claiming that only 3/4 ton and above are "real" trucks?

    FYI - the 1/2 ton market in the this country is HUGE. The Toyota Tundra compares VERY favorably with other HALF TON trucks. Personally, I think it would behoove the domestic fans if they pressured their favorite makes to BUILD A BETTER HALF TON, rather than pointing out Toyota doesn't make a 3/4 or 1 ton.

    What will be your defense when Toyota DOES begin offering 3/4 and 1 ton models? That they don't build something equivalent to a F450?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    I get a sense that some feel that they are being backed into a corner. 'Well OK the 1/2 segment isn't really that important anyway.'

    I think that the detroiters have intentionally let the 1/2 ton segment 'get stale' over the last 10 years because they had it all to themselves essentially. Hey if you want a 'real truck' get an HD diesel. These are also much more profitable for the 3 with a diesel markup of $5000 - $8000 over their top price for a 1/2-tonner.

    This letting a segment 'get stale' situation sounds awfully familiar to the midsized and compact auto situation of the 80's and 90's. 'Well these segments aren't that profitable anyway so we'll just let the Asians have them.'

    So do GM/F/D have the will, the incentive and the funds to fight over this 1/2 ton segment or will they retreat to the HD segment? GM has two winners with its T900's. Ford and Dodge need injections of Viagra ( cash ) and backbone to stay the course try to leap over the four above them.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    No, nobody is saying the 1/2 ton segment isn't important. In fact w/o numbers, I'd be willing to bet that 2/3 to 3/4 of all trucks sold under the Ram, Silverado, and F names are 1/2 tonners. However, with all the competition, and this goes back probably when Dodge came out w/ the newer Ram in '94, everybody started pushing the envelope in regards to towing, payload, hp, etc. Years ago, a towing capacity of 10,000 lbs was reserved for 1 Ton trucks. Today, EVERYBODY has to "have" a 10,000 tow cap. Since when does a 1/2 Ton truck have the capability to haul over 2000 lbs? Last time I checked, 2000 lbs was 1 TON!!! Everybody, not just Toyota, is blurring the lines of what was 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton trucks. IMO If you can tow 14,15,16,000lbs thats medium duty (thats old school) All the big 3's 1 ton rigs can tow in that range. So obviously, the lines have been blurred. Hell, a Subaru Outback is classified as a truck !!!! All I'm saying is that in the way we have been accustomed to classifying trucks in this country (1/2, 3/4 and 1 Ton), Toyota seems to be trying to be everything to everybody with 1 "model", while the big three have 3 "models" each. I don't think it would take much to just offer an 8.0 liter V-8 in the silverado 1/2 ton, or the Duramax for that matter either.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Valid points.

    GM has two engines ( 6.0L & 6.2L ) that approach or exceed the Tundra 5.7L. Howwever for now it seems that they are limiting the availability of both these engines in the new T900's. By doing this they are making the 5.3L the workhorse to fight the battle against the 5.7L Tundra engine.

    In another forum here back in the Fall a poster who worked in GM's heavy duty plant noted that since 2001 GM has moved away from making the 6.0L engines toward more DuraMax diesels. GM might be able to drop an 8.0L into a few vehicles but that's not representative of what the average buyer could drop into any store and buy on a moments notice.

    I don't see the point about the Tundra being one model vs three from the others. It only competes in the 1/2 ton segment ( now ). No one is saying that the new Tundra is comparable to the HD vehicles. I think that all that's being said is that the 1/2 ton segment now means a truck with a tow rating of 8000-11000# and a Payload rating of 1200-2000#. In this range the Tundra is the performance leader.
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    How is there always that mystery on that hitch with them tundra ones now? Seem to recall same hitch mystery on that older tundra limited ones now. Same tells then as now. Is that hitch factory or is them dealers addin that hitch later? Bet them dealers be addin them ones, and not that factory. Always a mystery with that hitch on them tundra ones, facts is facts. What say, is that tundra hitch factory or dealer? If not factory, what does this tell us all? Good luck on this one now!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,255
    i think the point being made is it is not really a 1/2 ton truck. it is being marketed as that, though. toyota sold 1 ton pickups here in the states years ago. seems to me they were a bit smaller. ;)
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    It is just a 1/2 ton truck nothing more.

    Now if Toyota has discovered a small vein of buyers that want a 1/2 ton truck that does more than the 'usual suspects', a group of buyers who were being forced into HD vehicles at a $5000-$8000 premium, then it may have success mining this small profitable subsegment.

    If this subsegment has been forced into 3/4 ton HD diesels because the 'usual suspects' cutoff capability around 7500# of towing and 1500# of payload then the Tundra might be able to save some of these users $5000-$10000 by staying with a 'super 1/2 tonner'. Ditto the Sierra.
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
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    ...where a lot of posts went, they went good-bye. As promised.

    The subject here is Tundra vs Silverado. If you have other things to discuss, we have forums for those subjects. If you can't discuss the topic at hand in a civil manner, then please log out, take a deep breath, and calm down.

    If the name calling persists, then we take stronger measures.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    GM has two engines ( 6.0L & 6.2L ) that approach or exceed the Tundra 5.7L. Howwever for now it seems that they are limiting the availability of both these engines in the new T900's. By doing this they are making the 5.3L the workhorse to fight the battle against the 5.7L Tundra engine.
    Remember, the 5.7L isn't the only engine available in the Tundra. It too comes at a hefty premium over the base engines.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,255
    half as much as this?
    1 ton
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  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
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    That one is that 1 ton one now? Who is that factory trickin with that one now? Is them new tundra ones full size? If that one is 1 ton now, and them tundra ones is 1/2 ton, them ones sure seem small next to them big3 ones. Has any folks really seen them new tundra ones? Any pictures of them tundra ones up next to a big3 one? That 1 ton one sure don't look full size now. Can you get that flat bed on them tunda ones? That flat bed sure is lookin good for farm workin and such. We got a flat bed on that 52, and it works good for haulin. Good luck on this one now!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    The premium for the 5.7L is only $1300 over the 4.7L. The 5.7L Tundra is the same price as the 5.3L GM and 5.4L Ford engines.
  • 1offroader1offroader Member Posts: 208
    I ordered a Silverado recently. Here's why. I've owned 2 Toyota (pre-Tacoma) 4x4 pickups. The first was a 1985, the second a 1992. I had problems with both that I didn't think I should have had. Both trucks were extremely well maintained.

    The 1985:
    1)blown head gasket (22RE engine)
    2)noisy valves (not an actual probem, just annoying as all get out)
    When I sold it, it had 90K mi.

    The 1992:
    1)Head gaskets replaced (v-6, done under factory recall)
    When the dealer did the work they buggered up a skid plate bolt and a pulley. This took 3 separate trips (and lots of time and nastygram letters to the dealer) to resolve.
    2)Switch replaced on the transfer case to shift into 4WD. About $400 ($50 parts + $350 labor)
    3)Transmission shift plate replaced ($250)
    4)Steering tie rod replaced (factory recall)
    5)Horrible screeching noise when the steering wheel is turned fully either way (not a major actual problem but very annoying).
    6)Cooling fan completely broke off of the pulley. I was very lucky it didn't completely waste the radiator. This damage almost cost me an expensive hunting trip in addition to the repair cost.
    Keep in mind this all occurred before the odo reached 75K mi.

    Again, both of these vehicles were maintained impeccably and were never abused or even worked very hard.

    The point I'm making is that some people seem to worship at the Toyota quality altar. Would I buy another Toyota? Heck yes! But I have a realistic view of what Toyota is capable of building. I also know enough about Toyota that I wouldn't buy a Tundra with an entirely new engine AND transmission. I'd wait a couple years. In my personal experience Toyota ranks 'fair to O.K.' in reliability, far from the 'excellent' that I seem to read a lot about. And, the dealer repair experience has been a decidedly a mixed bag.

    Say what you want, but at least with the Silverado the basic engine design has been around the block a time or two. The 4-speed auto trans also seems to get criticized for not being a 5-speed or 6-speed. But guess what? It's a reliable proven design. I'll take a 4-speed that works any time over a 17-speed that doesn't. I'm old enough to remember the good old days when the only options were a Turbo Hydramatic 3-speed or a 2-speed Powerglide. That Turbo Hydro 400 won a lot of races! Somehow the Republic survived with 2-speeds and 3-speeds. A good 4-speed? I'm in clover!

    I made up my mind that if a U.S. maker ever offered a truck with the features I wanted I would buy it. I WANT to buy American, but I also don't want to waste my money. Chevy finally offered it with the new Silverado. This is no guarantee of course. If the Silverado doesn't measure up I'll sell it and maybe go back to Toyota for another 20 years. Are you reading this Detroit????
  • toykickstoykicks Member Posts: 95
    why are people comparing the new tundra vs. the ford and GMs 1/2 tons or even to a HD truck like the 2500 sierras/silverados... The truck hasnt even made it to dealerships yet and people are already criticizing it. Comparing an engine that hasnt even been tested yet like the 6.2 v8 denalli to the tundra. Wait a year or few months to compare. Comparing apples to apples the tundra currently has the most power compared to GMs 5.3, 6.0 engines, fords 5.4 and dodges 5.7 hemi. Has the biggest Brakes available, bigger then fords f150 rated with a 11k towing cap And comes standard with a bunch of safety features which Ford and Gm provide as options. Prices should be coming down in a few months but comparing a 5.3 v8 sierra with lsd, stability control, sonar, power seats vs. a sr5 5.7 with the same options they both cost the same.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    The towing figures in post 257 are comparing the
    tundras 5.7 vs. 4.8 figures............


    This statement is false because you didn't do your homework, I did

    Note that I stated 'Big V8's'
    The values stated reflect the towing capacities of ( respectively )..
    Tundra 5.7L
    Silverado 6.0L standard towing
    Sierra 6.0L Max Trailering package
    Ford 5.4L
    Dodge 5.7L HEMI
    Titan 5.6L
    ...all the values are from each manufacturer's website or brochure.
    You are WAY off base - again - and just got picked off.
  • beliasbelias Member Posts: 316
    Again, I'm not sure we should continue to beat a dead horse here. Even reviews say that the new Tundra easily out hauls the others in its class.
    So, if there are other concerns with this truck, we should work on that. I would be interested in seeing whether or not the ride quality is truly as good as the others, or whether it bounces around like older trucks...
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    Your missin that point... that factory tells them haul numbers... yet no hitch! Do them tunda ones out haul big3 ones? No one knows... cuz nobody be workin them ones! Need to hear from folks who is workin them ones, not readin what that factory tells on em. Need folks to give tells on workin them farms with them ones, not workin that highway with em. No dead horse on this one, them tundra ones need to do that haul, then we will have the knowin of em. History tells us that forien one don't haul as well, could this be why they lack that factory hitch? When folks haul with them ones we will know, but folks has been tricked by that forien one before! Good luck on this one now!
  • rorrrorr Member Posts: 3,630
    I just got back from the local Toyota dealer.

    They received 9 new Tundras yesterday. I looked at the 5 they had out front plus the one in the showroom. All models were V8 equipped (4 with the 4.7l, 2 with the 5.7l).

    EVERY ONE HAD A RECEIVER HITCH.

    In addition, I checked the window sticker. Every window sticker listed the "Tow Package" (including receiver hitch) as STANDARD EQUIPMENT. For the reading impaired, that means it is "factory equipped".

    No, I didn't hitch up a bunch of tobaccy wagons to see how they hauled.....you might have to check out www.toothlesswonders.com to find out the answer to that question....
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    That url ya posted be dead linked now. Was they tellin on them hitchs now? What did they say on em now? Bet them tundra ones didn't have no "factory" hitch now. Anyhow, bet them ones ya eyeballed got that hitch added at that distributor. Facts is facts on this one now. This is why that edmunds tells no "factory" hitch on them ones! Now why is this? Anyhow, we still need folks who is worked them ones to know if they haul or not. On that farm, we work them trucks, they don't do no highway hauls now. We need full size trucks with that haul and last longer. Maybe them new tundra ones got that haul, but them older ones sure didn't! Them magazines don't tell no story either way on them ones. We need folks to work em on that farm and such. Lookin forward to folks givin us that tell on this one now. How bout that fella with that corn farm? Seems he was workin one of them new tundra ones. That fella will have that knowin on this one now. Solve this mystery if they got that haul. As for that hitch mystery, we need more to say for sure. Where is that fella with that corn farm now? Good luck on this one now!
  • toykickstoykicks Member Posts: 95
    link mini site

    go to straight info

    the tundra vs. the competition.
  • toykickstoykicks Member Posts: 95
    link mini site

    go to straight info

    then tundra vs. the competition.
  • usabuyusausabuyusa Member Posts: 5
    Comparing towing #'s, the Silverado crew cab 2wd w/V8 is rated to tow 10,200 v.s. Tundra's 10,400 lbs. Silverado Crew Cab 4x4 can tow 10,500 v.s. only 10,100 for Toyota. And, Silverado Crew Cab has a payload rating of 359 lbs to 420 lbs more than Tundra...
    Plus--I don't care where it is built...the bottom line is if you buy a foreign product the end profit goes to Japan...
  • ggesqggesq Member Posts: 701
    honestly dude, that is the one of the funniest posts i have read on this site in a long time....roflmao.
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    Are you that fella workin that corn field with that tundra one? How is that one haulin? Is it holdin up strong? What kinda work is that one doin? We need one to haul tabacco trains now, is your tundra haulin corn? How many bushel? Tow tractors? What kind of tractor is you towin with that one? Give us a first hand tell on them ones now! Good luck on this one now!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Grow up would you. You are insulting to a whole group of important people in our country who are nowhere near as uneduacted as you pretend to be.

    I have seen and driven all 5 competitors in this segment ... all with factory hitches. There is no comparison. The other four ( excluding the Sierra - not present ) ware far outclassed in every category.

    Grow up.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Member Posts: 7,160
    Comparing towing #'s, the Silverado crew cab 2wd w/V8 is rated to tow 10,200 v.s. Tundra's 10,400 lbs. Silverado Crew Cab 4x4 can tow 10,500 v.s. only 10,100 for Toyota. And, Silverado Crew Cab has a payload rating of 359 lbs to 420 lbs more than Tundra...
    Plus--I don't care where it is built...the bottom line is if you buy a foreign product the end profit goes to Japan...


    Here's the problem. You didn't do enough investigation in your research usa... Yes the Silverado can tow up to 10200# but in 2007 on the T900 model you cant buy that vehicle!!!!!

    You can only buy it as a Sierra!!!

    The answer is tricky but I'll leave it to you to discover why the Silverado is limited to about 8500#. You're right on concerning the payloads.
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    If I was to grow much older now wouldn't be no need for that truck! Been workin them trucks for 75+ years now, just not them forien ones. We work that tabacco farm, and use them trucks for haulin and such. Can you give us that tell on them tundra ones? Did ya work that one hard? How is it lastin? Are you the fella workin that corn farm? Not lookin for book learnin, need to hear from ones that worked em. How exactly was you workin that tundra? Give us that tell on it! Good luck on this one now!
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    Now that was that good link! Yep, them tundra ones was workin hard in that link now! Them ones are lookin good now, looks like them ones is harder workin then before. Guessin Franklin is goin take us down to test drive one of them new tundra ones. Them ones look to work hard and have haul too. Good tells on that link, thats for sure! Wishin they had that tell of one workin that farm, like they had for that ranch. If we pick some of them ones up, maybe they will do a tell on that farm with us! They could film us workin that tundra pullin that tabacco train now. Well, them ones is lookin better, may pick some of them ones up. Good luck on this one now!
  • saddaddysaddaddy Member Posts: 566
    Sir, do you really talk the way you type? Frankly, I find it incredibly annoying. Moreover, I feel I speak for everyone who reads Edmunds when I say that you have brought NOTHING to this discussion or any other. I am surprised moderators have allowed you to stay, for what bandwidth your posts require, although small, is an utter waste.

    Please post something intelligent or at least in 21st century English. People just don't talk like that, bud.

    If you are just trolling -- find a better use of your time. Have a good day.
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    Missin your point on this one now saddaddy? You got that tell on that corn field? They look good for that haul, I will give that tell after me and Franklin test them ones out now. If ya workin that farm any with them ones, give us that tell too! Good luck on this one now!
  • beliasbelias Member Posts: 316
    Went to go see a Tundra double-cab today. All I can say is that this truck is HUGE! Anybody with any concerns about whether this is a real truck need not worry... it looks larger than most 3/4 ton trucks, never mind 1/2 tons. You are probably riding as high as a 3/4 ton or even a 1 ton. It is fantastic inside and out. Good workmanship and plenty of storage bins, leg room, and head room (I'm almost 6'5" and ~240 lbs, so this is important to me). This particular truck had 20" rims that looked pretty good. The grill is absolutely huge and I think most people will have difficulty getting this into their garage. Excellent layout and placement of gauges and controls. Good visibility all around. Pretty good space in the back, though for me personally, I'm more inclined to see what the CrewMax will be like. You definitely need running boards or step bars to comfortable get into the truck. Not sure how it compares to the Silverado directly in size, but if it is like the 07 Avalanche in proportions, than the Tundra really does seem bigger, at least from the outside. Don't expect much of any kind of price breaks though... dealer has most of the trucks already sold, including the first few orders of the CrewMax. Definitely makes the Ford and Nissan feel small by comparison!
    I didn't have time for a test drive; hopefully I'll get to do that next time. Everything on the vehicle felt pretty solid. The tail-gate assist was pretty good and I don't think I've seen a radiator as large as the one it has except on larger 1 ton trucks. The engine bay is very well laid out as well. It seems like the Tundra has finally grown up in a really big way!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,255
    i thinks those posts are pretty funny. at least they take some imagination. i do have to read them one sentence at a time and think about it before i go to the next one. ;)
    also, take a look at the ad on the left. he hit the nail right on the head. hey framer, how's Franklin doing? :)
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,255
    of a clapped out old toyota truck that is suppsosed to be a 1 ton.
    i found this which even has some references to 'edmunds'.

    1 ton try #2
    2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • framer_rubeframer_rube Member Posts: 28
    Thanks for that tell on them ones belias. Franklin is takin me down to that city to eyeball them new ones tomorrow. Them new tundra ones be lookin good in that url posted few back. That tundra was sure workin that ranch at that url, thats for sure! They look like they got that haul! If them ones is as good in person, we may get a few of them ones to work that farm. We are lookin for full size ones with haul. Will give a tell if we end up gettin them ones now. Good luck on this one now!
  • als65stangals65stang Member Posts: 4
    Gm failed again to design a new truck with the Silverado they are still using alot of the same low grade parts they used in there last truck. Example they could have used the new 6L80 6 speed automatic, but they decided to go with the 4 speed automatic again. When will Gm get it right a new body & new interior is not really a new truck.
  • maxtitanmaxtitan Member Posts: 10
    Rube, my family have been working toyota trucks for over 15years. My parents only buy Japanese cars because they think American cars are crap. We just finished clearing an old olive orchard here in Oroville, CA for a new subdivision. We cut up the olive trees for firewood. My dad's '90 Toyota 4x4 v6 pickup with 205k hard working miles (original drivetrain) hauled 19 full loads of firewood from the orchard to our house...which is about 5 miles only. Yes...I counted the number of loads because I drove the truck. It's pretty beat up but that's from being a work truck. My dad friend's also have toyota 4x4 truck but only a 4 cylinder. He haul the firewood too, but I don't know how many loads. All this talk about load capacity...nobody cares. We load up the truck until the bed is full. I'm sure that's what everyone does. How many chevy with 200k on original drivetrain still working hard like that?

    Oh..yeah..my mom comes by with her 2005 Nissan Titan Crew 4x4 to pick the chain saw and tools at the end each day. She doesn't want to get her $30K truck dirty with firewood.
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