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Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado

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  • duckshooterduckshooter Posts: 156
    Where in AL were you?

    Reason being - I road tripped back there over spring break - Northern AL. Saw countless Tundras, a lot more than when I left. In fact, if I remember this right, I saw more Tundras than any other 1/2 ton on all of Hwy 72. Local Toy dealers must be making a killing. I drove in and out on Hwy 72 between Chattanooga and Decatur - lots of lakes and lots of trucks (and Tundras) towing boats. Now I used to live there (3 years) and I'll agree - there are LOTS more GM and Ford trucks owned there. But on that one trip I saw more Tundras than anything else.

    I also saw my first ever government Tundra rig - a state truck with racks of stuff for (I guess) highway work. Must be some deal they struck with Toy for locating the new engine plant in Huntsville.

    Jeff
  • tomh12tomh12 Posts: 240
    I was South of where you were. I came out of NW Arkansas on 16/23/21 (part of the "pig trail") to I40 through LR to Memphis to 78 into Tupelo, MS. Picked up ALT 45S to 82 through Colombus, MS on over to Tuscaloosa, AL. Then I20 through Birmingham on over to Atlanta, I75 down to Macon, GA and I16 on over to Savannah. Then I95 back up the coast. I really enjoyed the trip....nice country. I left AR about 10 years ago. I have always felt folks from AR,MS,AL,GA, and TN were the most cordial and friendly around. NOT to say folks aren't great from other areas too, but that area seems really special.
    Tom
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    obyone: "you lack credibility based on your repeated GM issues of which you don't have any first hand experience nor does it appear likely that you have any with any make of truck. Than being said, I guess this if the first and last I will acknowledge any of your posts." - Wow, did Miss Cleo tell you that?

    I couldn't care less if you don't acknowledge my posts, I've never posted to you specifically (until now) anyways.

    For your information, I retired from working for Kootenai County for 20+ years. Now I own my own business specializing in tree removal. Boy, did we make a killing after the 1996/1997 icestorm - bought me a new Ford! I know what works and what breaks.

    tomh12, regarding the sludge. First, the only engines affected by the sludge are the 3.0 V6 and their 4 cylinder. No Tundra engines are affected. Second, only 3300 vehicles out of 3.2 million have the sludge issue, which translates to .103% You see, when you're #1, everybody will focus on you and exploit any shortcoming, no matter how insignificant. GMC's problems as of now dwarf those Toyota is experiencing tenfold.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Posts: 2,728
    Toyota has admitted to sludge problems affecting certain engines, not admitted to sludge problems possibly affecting others including Tundra. It's always been an issue of 2 things, oil circulation, and coolant splooge through leaking head gaskets cross contaminating the oil. It's been much discussed about the seemingly very low oil pressure readings on Tundra instrument cluster. I think the jury is still out on this one.
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    If the Tundra has the oil sludge problem, why has it only surfaced now? The same engine provided years of reliable service in the Landcruiser long before the Tundra was developed.

    I think the more likely explanation is certain personalities here are making an irrational fuss about every conceivable thing about the Tundra - simply because it's a Toyota.
  • graylsgrayls Posts: 7
    People like what they like and are entitled to their own opinion when they make any purchase. As far as any product being "superior" to another is a matter of opinion. Which is better? Coke or Pepsi, Miller or Budweiser, Jiff or Peter Pan. I may bring home Jiff, but don't hassle me in the check-out line because you think Peter Pan has a better way of grinding their peanuts. I purchase my vehicles based on serving my needs and not my neighbors.

    As far as the list of "25 best" and "25 worst" vehicles metioned above, I would think there is a middle zone of vehicles that didn't have enough complaints to make the worst list, but had vehicles that also had fewer complaints to make the best list. Is there not more than 50 makes and models of vehicles to choose from out there?

    Anyway, just my opinion, I'm sure it won't take long for "bama" to twist my words into something totally sarcastic.
  • big_tunabig_tuna Posts: 3
    I have a Tundra now and my previous truck was a Silverado. I like both trucks. I got rid of the Silverado at 5000 miles because it developed the Knock at 1900 miles and it just got worse from there. I also nicknamed it "the Prawn" because its' sheet metal was so soft. LOL. But I did like my Silverado, it was great to drive, towed excellently and off-roaded competently. I hope my Tundra turns out better. So far so good.

    Happy trails.
  • tomh12tomh12 Posts: 240
    thank you for your opinion on my question about Toyota engine Sludge problems as they pertain to the Tundra. I would like to know how many Landcruisers with this 4.7 V8 have been sold. I would think, not many. And since the problem was so small in the V6 and 4cyl engines (.103%??) it would seem that the problem could well exist in an engine that only has seen a few hundred thousand sold. Especially since Toyota did not know the cause of the problem in the first place. I have read that it related to engine temperature variations from one part of the engine to another....this in addition to what Quadrunner500 mentions as possible causes of the SLUDGE problem. Of course, I have also read that Toyota blamed the problem on poor maintenance by owners.
    Also, you did not address my question about the Toyota engine KNOCK issue that I have seen discussed in other topics here and also at other forums. Does Toyota know what is causing this knocking in some of their engines? Do you know what percentage of Tundras have this problem.

    If you prefer, and maybe we should, we could discuss this in the Toyota Tundra Problems topic if it would be more appropriate there since it really doesn't have anything to do with Tundra VS Silverado 1500.
    Thanks for your help.
    Tom
  • qzs4vbqzs4vb Posts: 14
    I am happy to report that my 2000 GMC Sierra has 35,000 miles and it hasn't been back to the dealer since the day I picked it up. I have had zero problems with it and love the power of the engine, the looks, and the interior.

    Personally I would be embarrased to drive a Toyota, but then I believe in buying american. That Tundra is a nice ladies truck though, but not for my wife.
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    Tom, the Tundra's cold start knock is a completely different animal than the GMC's persistent knock illustrated here:

    http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/gmpistonslap/index.html

    We all know Toyota owners are very demanding and have high expectations from their vehicles. They've been spoiled. If Toyota engine knock exists as you suggest, I'm sure we'll hear about it! But as of yet, there hasn't been nearly the response for Toyota engine knock as there has been for GMC engine knock. Please be rational in your conlusion.


    qzs4vb, all Toyota trucks are made in the USA, while GMC has production lines in 3d world countries like Mexico. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

  • dch0300dch0300 Posts: 472
    My 2001 Silverado 1500, 5.3L, ext-cab, Z-71 is now 17 months old and has 12,200 miles on it.
    I'm very picky when it comes to my toys, and so far this is the honest truth about my truck.

    I have a slight engine tick for about 10 seconds at cold start up.
    I check the oil level just prior to every oil change and it is always at full.
    I've not had any recalls on it, and it's never been in a shop for a repair on anything.
    I've had no rattles, shakes, knocking, etc. from day one.
    I've been 4x4'ing and boat towing with no concerns (except that I only caught 1 fish yesterday).
    My highway mileage (at 75 to 80 mph w/out towing) averages 18.5 mpg.
    My city mileage (at around 35 mph) averages 15.5 mpg.

    I've have never gone out and really worked this truck to its limits and probably never will. But for the things that is has done for me, it has performed flawlessly and without complaint.

    Could a Tundra have done the same things that I've done with my Silverado flawlessly and without complaint? I'm sure it could have, I have no reason to believe that it couldn't.
    When you do get a good one, they both are fine trucks and I'm sure they will perform nearly the same with one being better at some things and worse at others.

    I do know that I have no regrets what-so-ever with my truck. And I feel extremely sorry for those Tundra or Silverado owners who didn't get the good truck like they were expecting to get. But does that mean that one is still better than the other? I my opinion....not. And that same debate is several decades old when it come to Ford vs. Chevy, and it still has never been settled.

    Thanks for your time, and now to get back to more important things....which could be just about anything other than this.

    Hope the trout are biting tomorrow.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Posts: 1,583
    Consumer Reports rated the '99 and '00 Silverados as "used vehicles to avoid". This can't help the resale.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Posts: 2,728
    Can a certified LEMON have a future as a "used" vehicle to avoid? Not if the buying habits of new owners are any indication. Were they tricked into buying drum brakes, rubber steering wheel, ferret horn?

    Duped Tundra owners have been calling the NHTSA in droves. Complaint index 2454

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  • tomh12tomh12 Posts: 240
    ROTFLMAO!!!
    Tom
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Quoting CR. Man, this is very old and a laugh to boot. TT has this one down. The Tundra's a poseur. For them who be chasin the shine.

    Neighbor just traded his T100 for a Tacoma Crew Cab. He tows a 2800# boat. Funny isn't it? Replacing Toyota's full size with a pint sized truck.

    I think many of the Tundra owners would be better off with the Tacoma. At least IT didn't make the top 25 most complained about vehicles.
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    to see the truth. Isn't it peculiar that only the GMC folks continually compare their trucks to Toyota? Doesn't this say they are too embarrased to compare with Ford or Dodge? I guess GMC isn't even a Big 3 contender anymore. It was bumped by Toyota and now they're bitter about it!
  • dch0300dch0300 Posts: 472
    I'll be honest again with you Bama,

    Back in the summer of 1998 I test drove a new 1999 Silverado 1500 ext-cab Z-71, and I too would have given that specific vehicle an "avoid" rating. It was not well built, rattled, was all over the road, and about bounced me out of my seat.

    However, since I only test drove that one truck, does that give me the right to say that "all" 1999 Silverados are to be avoided? No, I only tested that one truck. Maybe if I had tested 100 trucks I could come up with a more justified "avoid" recommendation if it warranted it, but not with just one truck being sampled.

    Can you tell me how many trucks did Consumer Reports test before it came up with its "avoid" rating for the 1999 and 2000 Silverados?

    I'm sure there are a significant percentage of those 1999 or 2000 Silverados that are good trucks to own. My dad owned one, a new 2000 Silverado reg-cab 2wd. I sold it for him after a year and 18,000 miles later, and he then went and bought a new 2001 ext-cab Z-71. We got $500 below Kelly Blue Book for it, and it was a good well build truck. I work near the guy who bought it, and he is still very happy with it.

    Not that I really care, but what does C.R. say about the 2001 Silverados?
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Posts: 2,728
    I posted a fact about Tundra. It's a Certified LEMON!

    Makes no sense for you to be complaining. You're already trolling in the new Silverado topics.

    1-800-LEMON-LAW
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    Certified lemon? By whom? Your beloved California attorneys Kimmel and Silverman? Why don't the three of you get a room!
  • graylsgrayls Posts: 7
    I believe the topic in this town hall is "Tundra vs. Silverado 1500", which was created because a tundra owner couldn't tolerate beneficial info being passed from one GM owner to the next without adding his anti-GM comments....

    bumped by toyota?....you have to sell trucks to be a big 3 contender.......
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    started reading this thread. It's being discussed the how, why, and almost impossible to believe the Tundra has attained this status qualifying above all other Toyota makes and models. I believe Toyota corporate would be interested, but probably not advertise this fact:


    http://www.800lemonlaw.com/lemonlist.html


    Oh what a feeling!!

  • mpalombompalombo Posts: 186
    Tundra Sales for 2000 = 100,445

    Found at http://www.autointell.com/asian_companies/toyota_motor/business/toyota-us-sales-2000-by-model.htm


    Silverado Sales for 2000 = 642,119 (does not include 188,907 GMC Sierras)

    http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/general_motors/gmsales2.htm


    Now wouldn't simple math tell you that if both companies had the EXACT same level of quality then you would have roughly 6.5 times more complaints on Silverados alone?


    I could not find a site where I could find a total number of complaints for each vehicle but I did come across this while looking....


    "Herb of Littleton NH writes (4/13/02):

    I changed the oil in my Toyota Tundra after driving 4000 miles since a garage had changed it. The filter gasket from the old filter stuck to the engine block, causing an insufficient seal, allowing the oil to drain out. Twenty miles down the road, the engine skipped and I noticed zero oil pressure on the guage. I immediately stopped, but the motor was already toast.

    My question is, how can Toyota make an aluminum engine without warning lights and buzzers for loss of oil? This is supposed to be Motor Trend's truck of the year and it doesn't warn you of low oil. Even my friend's old Ford Ranger does that."


    That was found at http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_tundra.html


    -Mark

  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    GMC lemon websites:


    1. http://www.gmpistonslap.cjb.net/


    2. http://drive.to/agmlemon


    3. http://www.gmclemon.com/


    4. http://community.ourfriendsonline.com/gmclemontree


    5. http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/longterm/articles/44039/page024.html


    6. http://www.autosafety.org/autodefects/GM-What.htm


    Tundra lemon websites:


    1. http://www.800lemonlaw.com/lemonlist.html


    Please note this website was not created by lemon Tundra owners. It is part of California lawyers Kimmel and Silverman's online advertisement campaign to attract customers.


    Draw your own conclusions, gentlemen...

  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    http://www.thecomplaintstation.com/t/toyota_toc.htm


    Do a search on the page for Tundra. You will see some pretty interesting items worthy of current owners complaining.

  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    had maybe 4 or 5 complaints against the Tundra! Hardly in the same league as all those GMC lemon sites with THOUSANDS of complaints...
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Tundra vibrations - register your vibration here!! Over 35 so far!


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    In the meantime, check out this topic:


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  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    Since you enjoy readers' stories so much, don't miss hundreds of ones like these from GMC lemon owners:


    I have a 2000 sierra 4x4, 4.8 engine with 3.73, short bed. I traded in a 1989 f-150 short bed 5.0 4x4 with 100,000 miles on it. Needless to say, the ford did not vibrate, the engine did not run rough, The transmission, didn't make noises, the ride was positive not jumpy. If I wanted a truck to do all these things, I would have disconnected a sparkplug wire, blew out the shocks, and loosen a few lug nuts and i would have saved $24,000. I wish I had my 11 year old ford back.

        Richard Leach


    I own a 1999 Silverado 5.3l engine. I have notice since the engine has 5000 miles that the engine knocks. I am a mechanical engineer and have owned 350's previously and have never heard such a noise. The noise sounds like low end noise and after reading your posted article I am convinced that I hear the main bearings knock for 5-10 seconds daily. and I cringe For 2001, the main bearing tolerances of these engines have been tightened for quieter, cold-engine startup. What the hell are these guys doing I pay 25k for a vehicle and now they are changing the tolerance of the bearings. Isn't it common sense that using a tighter tolerance will enhance a components life. What if anything are they saying about the 1999 5300 engines? Is general motors doing anything? Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks

    Brian


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  • mpalombompalombo Posts: 186
    Like I said...SIMPLE MATH....maybe too much for you to comprehend..... 6 to 1... There are 6 times as many Silverados on the road so if they have the EXACT same number of defects per 1000 units sold then the Tundra is the EXACT same quality as the Silverado so maybe you might want to reconsider what you say about the Silverados quality.

    -Mark
  • h0udinih0udini Posts: 118
    The Ford F series sells more trucks and they still don't generate as many lemon sites, problem threads and poor quality/reliability ratings. How can that be explained?

    Toyota has sold 25 million Corollas, and they're practically bullet-proof. By your rationale, they should be generating more complaints than the GMCs.

    SIMPLE MATH: Problem percentages are independent of the number of trucks sold...maybe too much for you to comprehend.
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