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"Poor GM...it seems like everytime they try to get back in the game, someone comes along and makes them eat dirt again. I don't care about how good a Hyundai's gas mileage is, or how amazingly stout a Toyota is. GM is an American icon, and I have owned three of them happily."
Bet one of those three was a Vega, one was a V8 diesel, and the other was a 468 Cadillac... LOL
I've owned 51 vehicles, sold Chevrolets for 3 years, and I'm on Toyota #8 and Honda #2. Just checked NADA.com and tradein value on my 01 Tacoma is $5000 less than I paid for it brand new... and the most that's ever been done to it by the dealer is a new shoulder harness (doesn't retract fast enough).
My last new GM vehicle was a 2002 Envoy with the I6. GM should have put THAT engine in the Colorado/Canyon... better mileage, more horsepower. WOW... just another GM screwup. Maybe if they offered a 10 year 100K warranty, they could entice me again... but it ain't likely!
I-6 unless they made it into more of a truck motor, with lower RPM. I think the I-6 is a good motor but I have no complaints about the I-5 for what I need, I own a trailblazer and canyon. I also must be one of the few people who have had good luck with GM's, I had full size blazers with 200,000 and a 98 buick commuter with over 120,000 and a Taurus in college with 110,000, all no problems. The big 3 still needs a swift kick in the pants though, I am not blind to that because of my good luck.
If someone paid me a million dollars, I wouldn't drive any of those vehicles a hundred thousand miles. I've owned most all of them (except the Buick) and none of them lasted 30,000 miles in my garage before they started having problems, or I was so bored with them I wouldn't drive them any longer. To be specific, I owned a 93 K5 Blazer, 97 Tahoe Sport, 97 GMC Z71 and 87 Sable.
So how do like listening to the pistons slapping in your Trailblazer and Canyon? Have they had to yank the dash out to fix the HVAC motors yet? How much have you lost in depreciation for owning them so far?
Oh, and I don't own the SuperGlide any more. Got tired of the chrome contest, and being associated with Harley owners. And Harleys are no better than American cars, except for the resale value aspect. I have owned an assortment of 13 motorcycles though, in case you want to discuss the pros and cons of those.
If you don't want torque in a truck then buy a station wagon. Torque is also great for 4x4ing, if you are talking 2x4 then like I said get a station wagon(HEMI?). I tow up to the 4000lb limit and low end torque is still better than high end torque, no matter how you cut it.
When I bought the Canyon Zip came after value, size, my idea of good looks, functionality for what I need, ..... and then "zip". If I wanted zip first I would have bought a Boxter S.
Why are you so mad for buying boring cars, that was your fault up front, not GM's?
Too bad about selling the Superglide. I don't play the chrome contest. I ride for myself, I gave up that "look at me game" after high school. A lot of Harley riders are nice people, too bad you stereotype them. I owned Honda's and Ducati's, yet love the Harley the most. If you are talking AMF Harley's then sorry about your luck, the 90's and on have been quality machines, and recently I would say Harley quality is finally approaching the Japanese bikes.
To everyone else, have a nice day and a happy new year
As for chroming up the bikes... guess what, everyone likes their bike to be personal and look good. deal with it.
Owned a lot of vehicles over the last 30 years; domestic plus Toyota, Subaru and Volvo. I wish I could say any were more reliable and outstanding than the others, but I really can't. I can say we've run most of the vehicles to over 100k miles before giving them away or selling cheap to a needy friend/family member.
My 2004 Canyon has >24k miles and I've had one problem - resistor on climate control fan board died. No piston slap or other anomalies; starts every time and goes when and where I ask it to.
If resale is high on your priority list, domestic vehicles aren't the way to go. Mostly hype (and little real data) keeps the values of Toyota, Honda, Volvo, Mercedes, BMW etc... higher.
Having, many friends and family that have owned Audis, BMW, Volvo, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Saab, Jaguar,Subaru; few have had any better luck than I have with Pontiac, GMC, or Chevy. Repair and maintenance costs for the "foreign" models we've owned has been higher than the domestics, sometime quite a bit more.
Your opinion of "just another GM screwup" is just that, another person's opinion is that they are just fine or great for what they need.
The second issue is wind noise in the cab. Not an air leak, but turbulance like noise at the rear pillar of the cab. Many have mentioned it on this forum, and some have had cab/bed alignment issues which contributed to it. My cab and bed were "square" to each other, however I recently loosened the bolts and was able to shift the bed about 0.050-.060" closer to the cab, and close up the gap. That helped a LITTLE, however it's still NOISY, and getting really annoying, as I've driven this truck more than originally anticipated. My previous truck, a 97 S-10 was FAR quieter.
On the plus side, the ride is good, the gas mileage decent, and other than a defective dome light switch, it's been trouble free.
a reduced engine power display that occured 4 times....detroit finally had them replace the trottle body and that fixed that...but the gas mileage absolutely SUCKS.
i want an older-but-hardly used 2003 S10 with four cylinder and 5 speed back....badly.
BTW, has anyone noticed that the body of the canyons aren't exactly centered on the frames? passenger side tires protrude 1 inch to the outside; i have it on decent authority that GM acknowledges this...check it out..YMMV,
but all i've seen were like this. wonder if this has anything to do with the rough ride?
sarge
I have had only 2 problems with it so far after 36,200 miles. First problem that appeared after 12,000 miles was from tires that were feathering around the edges, and I took it to the dealer. They incorrectly said that it needed a front end alignment. This did not fix the problem. Later, I took it to my trusted mechanic, and he said that the problem was caused by the tires not being balanced correctly. Second problem appeared after about 6 months and 20,000 miles. It was a squeaking noise that occurred when the fan was spinning. The dealer replaced the fan motor because the bearings were bad. They actually had the part in stock which surprised me since this is not something that is normally stocked which leads me to believe that it is a common problem. Other than these two issues, the truck has ran flawlessly. In fact, I bought a new 2005 Honda Odyssey EX in May 2005, and it has had way more problems than the Canyon which really surprised me. I plan on trading in the Odyssey in 2 years or 60,000 miles whichever comes first. But, I plan on keeping the Canyon until the doors fall off. It is very handy for towing a boat and trips to Lowe's and Costco--for oversized items and bags of mulch. The truck is a little noisy when accelerating briskly but the ride is quiet and refined once it is at freeway speed. The factory General tires suck. They have no traction on wet pavement and corner poorly. Overall, happy medium between hauling/towing and fuel efficiency for a truck--21 to 22 fwy and 17 to 18 city. This is at about 2000 ft above sea level.
Well I rest my case. Your experience is exactly one of those I read too often on here, and too close to my own experience with American cars the last 20 years. I'm not mad at the world and I'm not gonna "get out" of the US. It wasn't my choice to be borned here. If they'd let me immigrate to NZ or AU I would... but they don't want poor dumb americans :-)
And most of the 52 vehicles I've owned were GM products. I've had 10 Corvettes, 2 GTOs, 2 442s, 5 ElCaminos, 3 Silverados, 2 Tahoes, and I won't bore u with the rest of the list. I even sold Chevrolets from 71-74. It's not like I don't have experience in what I'm saying. Most of what I've owned the last 20 years have been Hondas and Toyotas, but I test the water every so often and buy another american vehicle, only to be disappointed. I don't keep cars 200K miles, because when someone comes out with something new and fun (which is what they do to get you to buy a new car), I'm in line to buy it.
And my 6 cylinder Envoy got 22 MPG consistently at 80 MPH, and one 300 mile trip I got 26 MPG... and one 60 mile trip I got 28 MPG... so why would I want a 5 cylinder? I actually liked the vehicle, but every month GM kept giving another $1000 rebate which just furthered my already bad resale value... and it was approaching the end of the 3 year warranty... and the dash had already been disassembled twice for HVAC problems... and I wasn't gonna own it out of warranty. I had it 30 months and 22K miles, and sold it for $10,000 less than I paid for it (not counting tax, license, etc.) and felt lucky.
My nephew just bought a new (leftover) 2005 Canyon with the I5... couldn't get rid of his 2001 Deville any other way but to trade it in (I won't bore you with the list of problems that made him get rid of it). I haven't taught that kid anything
2005 regular cab SLE I-5
I never had much trouble with it cycling cold to warm.... mostly it just couldn't put out enough cold air to keep everyone comfortable - back seat passengers did stay warm.
I got much better mileage than that. Typically 16-19 to and from work and 21-24 on the hwy consistently.
For the person with the a/c problem, I have not had that bad of a problem, but it could be colder. The gas mileage is around the 17-18 city and around a solid 20 for the hwy. If the deals start coming for larger trucks, I may lease a Ford Crew for less than my truck. Still don't trust the Canyon.
Thanks
As for the Service Bulletin #04-06-04-081C Exhaust Valve Springs, they said it only applies to the I4 engine not the I5. Can someone concur with that SB?
I hope this info can help out with anybody else experiencing this buzzing, vibration problem, Knocking sound, even though mine is a Colorado.
Gary
i would recommend trying higher octane fuel. The computer will advance engine timing more with higher octane before the knock sensor registers pinging, for better mileage. Try 89 for a while, then 93. See if the mileage improves. Avoid jackrabbit starts.
I run my Z71 Silverado on 89 octane brand name gas, such as Mobil or BP. Avoid cheap no brand name gas stations. who knows what additives they use. Too much enthanol in the fuel will lower your gas mileage.
Gary
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Anyway, my point is that all vehicles no matter what brand, make or country of origin have the ability to last a long time given they are taken care of. As you can tell from my vehicular history, resale value means little as we run our cars to very high mileage before getting rid of them, or passing them on, but I have yet to have a vehicle that is plagued with problems (problems caused by how the vehicle was built) I have had my share of car problems, but those can be attributed to how I drove - I.E. you can't run a motor without oil, or how it was worked on - you can't put a transmission back in without a shift tower gasket hence all the tranny fluid will leak out and cause a tranny to go...
So all I am saying is, I'll bet this Canyon/Colorado given that they are taken care of, given the proper maintenance will give years and miles of good service... And I'll bet the Toyota Tacoma will to. It just depends on how you want to do it.