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  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I have now seen a few Canyons around and I have to say it's the best looking compact pick up on the road. I'm not a big pick up fan, but if I was buying, the Canyon would be my choice. The guy at the dealer said they are having trouble getting supply. Is there a shortage of trucks? The lot I was at yesterday only had 1.
  • harcharharchar Posts: 1
    I'm getting riled up just thinking about this..but if I can save somebody else some hassles....Knowing GM was replacing the S-10/S-15 I latched onto this truck more than a year ago digging up everything I could find out about it..and being a GM guy all my life.. I wanted one.Guess what....BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT. Got truck in March...didnt drive it till last week of April.....Door latch mechanism fell into door...back to dealer(in Florida on vacation),blower motor resiter burnt up...back to dealer..Tailgate wouldn't open..back to dealer..hard shifting into reverse (5 spd)..back to dealer...rattles....oh well....last but not least.....engine light....missing..shaking....back to dealer...clean injecters....3 miles down the road....same thing...back to dealer...hmmm...engineering problems.....bad valve springs?????.....GM bulletin out on it...(5 CYL)One more try (they get 4 in NY) I invoke the NYS lemon law....This truck looks good...thats it. The motor sucks compared to the 4.3 liter V-6. Truck is built out of thinner gauge sheet metals....Somebody(s) should lose their job(s) for this....This trucked replaced a 4X4 S-15 Sonoma (1995) with 162000 miles on it..that I plowed with....this truck doesnt even come close to that truck...in anything except looks. I'm 53 and have had GM's my whole life, Vettes, trucks, cars,you name it....I bought a new Vette in '98 and have never had one bit of trouble....this thing has 6500 miles on it and its ready for the scrap heap as far as I'm concerned. The dealer feels bad about it..as my family has bought vehicles for YEARS from them....and they have tried...to no avail. GM BLEW IT ON THIS ONE.... dont buy one till they get it right....
  • ocmike3ocmike3 Posts: 232
    Hmmmm, I bought mine(4WD crew cab) in February and I've got almost 10500 miles on it. I have had no issues and get decent mileage. (typically about 21mpg in my regular commute which is about 80% hwy)
    I'm very happy with my Canyon.
  • Picked up our new 4x4 canyon extended cab pickup friday night, and it's already in the shop the second time for an intermittent whirring noise that the dealership says GM describes as 'a problem with air conditioning fluid running through the lines' - also, isn't it gas, and not fluid - dealership says that GM is 'working on a solution', and that as soon as one is available, they'll fix it. In the meantime, it whirs every few minutes, kind of sounds like there's a muffled cell phone ringing, just once at a time, somewhere in the cabin. On our way to pick it up again, thinking about what our options are.
  • Is it kind of a harmonic sound? Almost like a spring vibrating in a sense? There is a little bit of discussion on the Colorado board.
    I haven't taken mine in yet, only 1800 miles. I'll ask about it, but no sense in taking it in if they don't have a fix yet.

    I don't know about your truck, but my sound isn't a distraction, especially if the radio is on. Bugs the heck out of me knowing it is there, though. Hopefully they have a fix soon. Good luck.
  • saabgirlsaabgirl Posts: 184
    I have a Canyon crew cab LSE for a 24-hour test drive. Got caught in a torrential rain storm this p.m. and had to pull over to wait it out. Might have been a blessing. When I got home, I discovered that the carpet on the entire left side of the truck, from the firewall to the back seat, was absolutely sopping wet. I mean if I push down on the carpet with my hand, it forms a puddle and the liner makes squishing and gurgling noises. The leak doesn't seem to be coming from the door seals, but from somewhere underneath. Up to this discovery I really liked the truck and the incentives. But this has the makings of a bad case of buyer's remorse, I'm afraid. Have any of you had leak problems with your Canyons?

    P.S. I didn't find the Canyon thread immediately and posted this question over on the Colorado board earler. Sorry for being redundant.
  • ocmike3ocmike3 Posts: 232
    Had my Canyon Crew cab 4wd since February, we typically get a fair amount of rain here in the NW; no leaks on mine. I suspect it might be coming in either under the dash through the firewall (bad seal) or bad rear wind seal.. Since it's not your rig, I'd send it back to the dealer and let them deal with it.
  • saabgirlsaabgirl Posts: 184
    Thanks, ocmike. I gave it back to the embarrassed dealer (who agrees with your diagnosis)and continued the hunt.

    I have another question: My dealer has identified two extended cab Canyon Z85 SLEs, both 5 cylinder, one with 4wd, the other with 2wd plus traction control and a locking diff. The 4wd is $600 more than the 2wd. From a strictly practical viewpoint, the 2wd with TC and diff would probably be fine for me. BUT -- 4wds hold their value around here and may come in handy during the New England winter. Also the GMC Web site says there's not much difference in mpg between 2wd and 4wd. (?!?) I'm also thinking that spending the additional $600 now would pay off down the road IF I decided to sell or trade. Any advice from you Canyon owners? What's the overall mpg you get on yours (2wd or 4wd)? I did like the quiet, car-like ride of the 2wd I test drove. Is the 4wd ride comparable? Or not? The only 4wd that's available for a test drive is a jacked up Z71 with the largest tires, and I don't think it would be the equivalent of the feel of the Z85 model. So thanks for any advice you can give me.
  • ocmike3ocmike3 Posts: 232
    I drove both and have the 4WD crew cab. Both rode about the same and were equally quiet. I've got almost 12k on mine and it cruises nice. My daily commute(80% freeway) I get 20-21mpg. I've gotten as high as 24mpg running 65-75mph and have never drive it conservative enough to see what I could really squeeze out of it.
  • saabgirlsaabgirl Posts: 184
    Can anyone tell me if there is any difference between the Canyon and Colorado, other than the different branding treatment of the front end?

    Here in the NE, Canyons seem to be priced somewhat higher, and there are more Colorados to choose from. Why limit my choice if the only difference is what the guy ahead of me sees in his mirror? Thanks.
  • ocmike3ocmike3 Posts: 232
    I looked at both and as is usual with GM its basically a difference in front end and interior trim. The GMC has (in my opinion) a bit better fit and finish and the materials looked a bit better.
  • I have had mine in the shop 3 times for this problem. They have replaced the expansion valve in the ac and also the engine PCM. The Colorado/Canyon have a new ac system that is controlled by the PCM instead of a pressure cycle switch. The shop has talked to GM on all 3 times it was in the shop and they have not fixed it yet. The final answer was the it is NORMAL along with the fact the system blows very cold and then tempid air all the time. The cycle seems to be every 20-30 seconds which is when I feel the very cold air along with hearing this whirring noise. I have seen others have decribed this noise as a wet finger going around the rim of a glass. The guys at GM say it is the gas passing thru the expansion valve when the compressor comes on. The PCM then turns off the compressor when the evaporator gets to 32 degress to keep it from freezing. Since the entire system is so small (ie effort to reduce use of R-134a) this happens very fast, hence the 20-30 second cycles. Quoting GM "Them problem is the system has no mass, making it get very cold fast, then it has to warm up to keep from turing into a block of ice."

    The service mgr and I drove 3 2005's as they didn't have any 2004's left. All 3 did the warm/cold cycle and only one really had a noticeable whirring noise. The Engineers answer for that was "Well they all should have it, I can't tell you why the 2005's had less noise than the 2004's we have not made any changes" And from what I gather, they are not going to make any. I will continue to talk to the service mgr every time I have the truck in for service and I hope all you do they same.
  • My 2004 Canyon has a very weak AC. Seems to blow very cold to tempid air all the time. Since I live in MO where it is humid this make it worse. Since the tempid air is humid. This means to remain somewhat comfortable I have to leave it on Recir. I don't this is acceptable but GM says it is normal, but they had dealer replace the expansion vavle and Engine PCM.

    I have had mine in the shop 3 times for this problem. They have replaced the expansion valve in the ac and also the engine PCM. The Colorado/Canyon have a new ac system that is controlled by the PCM instead of a pressure cycle switch. The shop has talked to GM on all 3 times it was in the shop and they have not fixed it yet. The final answer was the it is NORMAL along with the fact the system blows very cold and then tempid air all the time. The cycle seems to be every 20-30 seconds which is when I feel the very cold air along with hearing this whirring noise. I have seen others have decribed this noise as a wet finger going around the rim of a glass. The guys at GM say it is the gas passing thru the expansion valve when the compressor comes on. The PCM then turns off the compressor when the evaporator gets to 32 degress to keep it from freezing. Since the entire system is so small (ie effort to reduce use of R-134a) this happens very fast, hence the 20-30 second cycles. Quoting GM "Them problem is the system has no mass, making it get very cold fast, then it has to warm up to keep from turing into a block of ice."

    The service mgr and I drove 3 2005's as they didn't have any 2004's left. All 3 did the warm/cold cycle and only one really had a noticeable whirring noise. The Engineers answer for that was "Well they all should have it, I can't tell you why the 2005's had less noise than the 2004's we have not made any changes" And from what I gather, they are not going to make any. I will continue to talk to the service mgr every time I have the truck in for service and I hope all you do they same.
  • I have the same problem with mine. It is being fixed by the DLR. The Problem (Quality Control at the Plant) On both sides of the vehicle right below the bottom of the wind shield there are 2 holes 1 on each side of the truck. On the passenger side the antenna occupies the hole on the drivers side nothing not even a plug. A water test was done on the truck. OK Now
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    Any problems with the Canyon to report?
  • leadfoot4leadfoot4 Posts: 593
    I've had an S-10 4x4 for a winter vehicle for the last 8 years. I wasn't really in the market for a new truck, however the glut of rebates got me looking around one Saturday afternoon. It was the classic day to buy a car, as the experts would say. About 10 degrees, blowing snow, and not another customer in sight. The dealership decided to make me quite an offer, I guess, so they could at least salvage the day with one sale.

    I'm now the owner of a 2005 Canyon Z-71 SL, 4x4 regular cab. I've had it for 9 weeks and 2500 miles now, enough time to give it a fair evaluation. The only mechanical problem has been the failure of a switch for the courtesey lights, which in turn kept the interior lights on, as well as signaling the "driver information center" on the dash that the driver's door was open, although it wasn't. Unfortunately, this failure happened on a weekend, so I had to do a little diagnosis work myself (I disconnected the switch). However, the dealer promptly fixed it a couple of days later.

    In all honesty, I can't say that I'm "blown away" by the truck. It's nice, however I have a few dislikes. First, the cab is noisy. Not "squeeks and rattles" noisy , but wind noise at 50 MPH and up. By comparison, my S-10, believe it or not, was as quiet as a church. Secondly, while I can find a very comfortable driving position, the steering wheel blocks the upper 40% of the dashboard. You know, the part of the speedometer where you spend most of your driving...40-70 MPH.

    My other real disappointment is in GM's choice of wheels and/or tires. First off, the tires are Generals, and according to the "Tire Rack" surveys, they are POOR performers, and they also have balance problems. Secondly, while the tires are pretty big, at 265/75-15s, the rims are only 7" wide. That's a fairly wide, 30.5" tall tire, that just squirms all over, with that narrow a rim. I didn't expect the Canyon to handle like my Corvette, however I expected it to at least corner as well as my previous S-10. It doesn't, especially right now, with the snow tires on it. I'm looking for some wider 15" rims, to help the snow tires work a little better. I do drive the truck somewhat in the summer, so I already have a set of wider, 16" rims on hand to use with some basic, all season tires. (I already sold off the Generals)

    The gas mileage is decent, however at this early point in time, I can't say the I-5 is a gutsy engine. In all fairness, I'm comparing it to a well broken-in V-6. It does have power, if you rev it, like most OHC engines need to do. It just doesn't have the low end torque of the previous V-6, so going up mild hills without downshifting isn't possible. That isn't such a big deal, except when that hill is snow covered, and the sudden downshift gives you some power, which then slides the rear end out.

    In summation, I didn't want the bulk of a full sized truck, or an extended cab compact truck. For that reason, I was limited to the Canyon/Colorado or the Ford Ranger. Most of the reviews about the Ford are neutral, in that it's a truck, and never lets you forget it, but a fairly reliable truck at that. I have two friends with Rangers, one says his gas milage is only OK, while the other says it's not too good. So, I went with the Canyon. Like I said, it's OK, so maybe it will grow on me....or, maybe my expectations were a little too high.
  • joe3891joe3891 Posts: 759
    The problem is the .5 lb freon in the system, until they change that nothing will help. My 99 has 1.75 lb freon and is a meat locker. My next truck will not be a Canyon if it has that poor excuse for an a/c. GM is trying hard to make Toyota #1.
  • dispencer1dispencer1 Posts: 489
    The GMC seems to cost a bit more but my complaint with the Colorado is that I want the leather covered steering wheel and side moldings and to get them I have to get a colored trim package that has body colored bumpers etc. I can just order them on the Canyon.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    You might want to have your wind noise problem looked at. My 05 Colorado ext cab is very quiet at highway speeds with no noticeable wind noise. I test drove a regular cab and it had bad wind noise starting around 50 mph. Obviously, something was wrong with its weatherstriping and I'm willing to bet something is wrong with yours too.
  • leadfoot4leadfoot4 Posts: 593
    I appreciate your input, however I recall that I read a road test of the Canyon prior to purchasing mine, and the testers did mention the wind noise situation. I guess that I didn't really pay close attention to the testers comments, as they didn't say it was severe, just noisy.

    Since the noise appears, at least to me, to be right around ear level, but behind me, I'm assuming that there is something about the aerodynamics of the cab that generates this noise around the back window. Since you have an extended cab, you're further away from the window, so you might not be hearing it...Or, the added length of the longer cab changes the airflow characteristics.
  • dannygdannyg Posts: 131
    Hello, just curious if anyone has heard anything about a hybrid version of the Canyon/Colorado. I read recently that GM released a hybrid Silverado, has there been talk of a hybrid for the smaller pickup? To me, it would be great to getter better MPG and also have the 120V outlets.

    Thanks for any info.

    Dan
  • fmhopsonfmhopson Posts: 1
    There is a SI Bulletin on the a/c ringing noise, # 04-01-38-012A Took mine in last week and it looks like they changed the evaporator cooler. It took care of the ringing problem. The dealer had changed the expansion valve back in Oct. 2004 but that didn't help. Hope this helps you!
  • leadfoot4leadfoot4 Posts: 593
    This past weekend, I finally got some free time to attack the wind noise in my Canyon that I previously mentioned. I purchased some of the sound deadener mat that the "stereo guys" use in their cars, and applied it to the rear pillars and the back wall of the cab. I also sprayed the floor of the truck, both top and bottom with liqiud Dynamat.

    This made the cab noticably quieter. HOWEVER, the wind noise, which is the most annoying, is still present, although to a lesser degree. Spraying both sides of the floor gave both sound insulation, as well as some rust protection. You can easily tell that the lower portion of the cab is quieter, but the noise is still up around "ear level". Maybe I'll have to see what kind of sound barrier can be put above the headliner.

    I just don't know how this glaring problem got past the engineers, however....
  • ocmike3ocmike3 Posts: 232
    Glad to see this forum up again. Had my Crew Cab Canyon 4WD since February 2004. Over 17k miles. The only issue I have had is basically annoying - the outside thermometer (read out is in the ADRVM) is slow to work after sitting a while on warm days. Basically if I park it i the morning and its 52F out. Late after work I hop in and take off it still reads 52F, slowly increments until after about 15-20 minutes - it pops to the right temp... I'm having the service dept check on any updates in TSBs as this is supposedly a known issue.
    Other than that, I got rid of the junky looking wheels and General tires after about 500 miles and have had no problems. Good cruiser and has been very reliable.
  • kazoo_bluekazoo_blue Posts: 1
    I bought my Colorado about a year ago and I can attest to what I consider excellent mileage. On our trips from Kalamazoo--Lexington, Ky we average just over 27mpg. We drive about 5 over posted speed limits. This is my first pick-up so I wasn't sure what to expect with the mileage. I think that overall it has been a wise decision to buy the Colorado/Canyon. The only problem I've had is with the wind noise on the pass. side of the cab. It is pretty much fixed now with some adjustments the dlr made to the door. Good Luck and enjoy!
  • I have seen the outside temp issue too... any resolution?

    I have had mine for 1300 miles and so far I love it. Much more expensive to fill up than my 98 Blazer!

    :)
  • I planning on drilling some holes for through the roof antennas (ham radio)... has any one got any insight for getting above the headliner? Anything published on the internet about this vehicle?

    Thanks in advance.... :shades:
  • ocmike3ocmike3 Posts: 232
    I talked with the service manager when I was in for an oil change and he said they have been changing out the sensors (located up in front near the radiator.). He was saying this has so far fixed the issue on all the ones they have had in. I plan to make an appointment to get mine swapped out. (warranty of course)
  • Hello All,

    Just wondering if anyone else is having similar problems.
    I have the 2DR, 4WD, 2800 4cyl. 2004 Canyon
    Have had it just over a year and just turned 12,000 miles.

    1. Tires are almost shot, half the tread is gone and the sidewalls are beginning to
    show malformations, (Wavy look)

    2. Windshield has developed a stress crack, which dealer insists is from a stone chip and won't replace under warranty even though there is no visible chip.

    3. Loss of engine power. I know, I never expected a lot from a 4cyl., but I have noticed a significant drop in power. Transmission is spending a lot of time in the lower gears, higher RPM's.

    4. Poor gas milelage. When I first bought the truck, I was averaging 26-30mpg. Now I'm lucky if I can get 24mpg. This is pretty unacceptable considering it a 4cyl. (Possibly linked to #3)?

    5. Extensive rusting. Only 12,000miles and rust is very visble on the leaf springs, control arm and towing kit.

    6. Noisy as hell. Wind noise, engine noise, road noise... in addition the damn fan rattles around like its got a playing card jammed down it.

    Now I know its no Sierra, but I really expected a lot of this little truck.
    Anyone else with these problems?

    TTYL
    Sven :confuse:
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    05 Colorado Ext cab 2wd 4 banger 5 speed here.

    1. It's a known fact that General tires are the cheapest crappiest OE tires around. My tires started showing a wavy indentation in the sidewall from the beginning. Tall sidewall tires tend to have this issue but under most circumstances it doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong with the tire.

    2. No stress cracks here. I would have to see the crack in order to tell if it was caused by a rock.

    3. No change in power on my engine in 4700 miles.

    4. I'm not sure what kind of driving you are doing, but your original mileage was excellent and way above average. Keep in mind it's a tall truck with horrible aerodynamics and a large engine (it may be a four cylinder but its the size of the original S10's V6; size is the enemy of fuel economy). Plus, you have the added weight and friction of 4wd. A 24 mpg average is more then acceptable considering your 4wd is only rated at 19/23 if its auto or 17/23 if its manual. The best I have ever averaged was 23 mpg but normally it hovers at 21 (my truck is rated at 21/27). Granted, this is 100% city/suburban driving. I haven't driven on the highway for a long distance yet so I'm not sure how it does there. At any rate, your mileage is normal. This is not an economy car. That being said, your drop in mileage can be attributed to spending lots more time at higher rpms.

    5. Rust is normal on these parts. This is common pressed steel, not stainless or rust-proof steel. You will always see surface rust here, especially when you live in cold or beach areas.

    6. I have heard the regular cab is noisier then other models. My extended cab's wind noise only becomes noticeable after 70mph and even then it's not bad. The ride is extremely quiet. The engine does get loud when pushed hard but is quiet otherwise. Your noisy fan is probably caused by a leaf stuck in the fan blades.

    So overall, I only see 2 possible problems with your truck. The rest is either normal or just the design of it. Try to enjoy your truck. It looks like you are searching hard to find fault with it.
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