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You might try the internet and gmbuypower.com, build your own and then do a dealer search/request a dealer quote.
I think the dealer you have dealt with may be pulling your leg as I just located 4 indigo blue 4WD ext cabs with at least 2 fully loaded and pushing $30k MSRP here in the OR-WA area.
Well, I thought I would check in since I ordered my Canyon in mid February, and it has not arrived yet either. Originally I was told that it would probably be the end of March or early April before I could take delivery, about 6 weeks out. When I contacted the dealer in early April, I was told there was a supplier problem with the drive line, (of the 4WD Crew cabs only) by my dealer. I contacted them about 2 weeks later and was told that they had a build date of the very next week and I could expect a 2 week delay before they would take delivery.
I contacted the dealer again last week and I am still waiting on clarification on what exactly the problem is, (supplier, demand, etc). I did a little digging myself and found out that American Axles had a 2 day strike in February, but I would not have expected a 2 day strike to push delivery of my vehicle out another 6 weeks. At this rate the new Nissan Frontier, Dodge Dakota, or Toyota Tacoma may make it into my garage before the Canyon even shows up at the dealership.
I am not sure what the delay is but if I do get that information, I will pass it on...
SportTBird
I just turned over 5600 miles on my commute home tonight. After 3 months and no problems (crew 4WD Z71) Filled up last night - 21mpg in mixed driving.
My suggestion would be to cancel your order and wait until the Fall so you can compare the GM twins side by side with the new Toyota and Nissan. By that point, if you still want a Canyon or Colorado, there should be more available on dealers lots with the typical huge incentives that GM has to offer in order to sell their cars in the face of superior competition, saving you money. It might also save you some potential buyers remorse so that you don't end up kicking yourself when you see the new Tacoma and Frontier.
If the other new trucks are available early enough, I will be considering them. If not, I have a bit of a timing issue that could be a problem as I will soon be needing the extra passenger room for our second child. The extended Cab S-10 just doesn't cut it. I had buyers remorse before we ordered the Canyon, (I really would have loved a smaller version of the Silverado SS, awd, 18" wheels, maybe turbo charge the motor?), but that wasn't to be. Maybe next time.
Check the width and height for clearances - as long as you are close in overall dimensions to the original Canyon wheels and tires you should be okay.
Best mileage was Troutdale, OR to Post Falls, ID where I got 23.8 mpg (65 – 75 mph with some cross winds.)
Worst mileage was 18 mpg in mixed driving. (City, hauling stuff, a little 4WD, a little hwy.)
I ran 70-75 mph most of the time. (WA = 70 mph, ID & MT = 75 mph)
Hwy mileage seemed most affected by head winds and having to run the AC.
I'm very happy with my Canyon.
I haven't taken mine in yet, only 1800 miles. I'll ask about it, but no sense in taking it in if they don't have a fix yet.
I don't know about your truck, but my sound isn't a distraction, especially if the radio is on. Bugs the heck out of me knowing it is there, though. Hopefully they have a fix soon. Good luck.
P.S. I didn't find the Canyon thread immediately and posted this question over on the Colorado board earler. Sorry for being redundant.
I have another question: My dealer has identified two extended cab Canyon Z85 SLEs, both 5 cylinder, one with 4wd, the other with 2wd plus traction control and a locking diff. The 4wd is $600 more than the 2wd. From a strictly practical viewpoint, the 2wd with TC and diff would probably be fine for me. BUT -- 4wds hold their value around here and may come in handy during the New England winter. Also the GMC Web site says there's not much difference in mpg between 2wd and 4wd. (?!?) I'm also thinking that spending the additional $600 now would pay off down the road IF I decided to sell or trade. Any advice from you Canyon owners? What's the overall mpg you get on yours (2wd or 4wd)? I did like the quiet, car-like ride of the 2wd I test drove. Is the 4wd ride comparable? Or not? The only 4wd that's available for a test drive is a jacked up Z71 with the largest tires, and I don't think it would be the equivalent of the feel of the Z85 model. So thanks for any advice you can give me.
Here in the NE, Canyons seem to be priced somewhat higher, and there are more Colorados to choose from. Why limit my choice if the only difference is what the guy ahead of me sees in his mirror? Thanks.
The service mgr and I drove 3 2005's as they didn't have any 2004's left. All 3 did the warm/cold cycle and only one really had a noticeable whirring noise. The Engineers answer for that was "Well they all should have it, I can't tell you why the 2005's had less noise than the 2004's we have not made any changes" And from what I gather, they are not going to make any. I will continue to talk to the service mgr every time I have the truck in for service and I hope all you do they same.
I have had mine in the shop 3 times for this problem. They have replaced the expansion valve in the ac and also the engine PCM. The Colorado/Canyon have a new ac system that is controlled by the PCM instead of a pressure cycle switch. The shop has talked to GM on all 3 times it was in the shop and they have not fixed it yet. The final answer was the it is NORMAL along with the fact the system blows very cold and then tempid air all the time. The cycle seems to be every 20-30 seconds which is when I feel the very cold air along with hearing this whirring noise. I have seen others have decribed this noise as a wet finger going around the rim of a glass. The guys at GM say it is the gas passing thru the expansion valve when the compressor comes on. The PCM then turns off the compressor when the evaporator gets to 32 degress to keep it from freezing. Since the entire system is so small (ie effort to reduce use of R-134a) this happens very fast, hence the 20-30 second cycles. Quoting GM "Them problem is the system has no mass, making it get very cold fast, then it has to warm up to keep from turing into a block of ice."
The service mgr and I drove 3 2005's as they didn't have any 2004's left. All 3 did the warm/cold cycle and only one really had a noticeable whirring noise. The Engineers answer for that was "Well they all should have it, I can't tell you why the 2005's had less noise than the 2004's we have not made any changes" And from what I gather, they are not going to make any. I will continue to talk to the service mgr every time I have the truck in for service and I hope all you do they same.
I'm now the owner of a 2005 Canyon Z-71 SL, 4x4 regular cab. I've had it for 9 weeks and 2500 miles now, enough time to give it a fair evaluation. The only mechanical problem has been the failure of a switch for the courtesey lights, which in turn kept the interior lights on, as well as signaling the "driver information center" on the dash that the driver's door was open, although it wasn't. Unfortunately, this failure happened on a weekend, so I had to do a little diagnosis work myself (I disconnected the switch). However, the dealer promptly fixed it a couple of days later.
In all honesty, I can't say that I'm "blown away" by the truck. It's nice, however I have a few dislikes. First, the cab is noisy. Not "squeeks and rattles" noisy , but wind noise at 50 MPH and up. By comparison, my S-10, believe it or not, was as quiet as a church. Secondly, while I can find a very comfortable driving position, the steering wheel blocks the upper 40% of the dashboard. You know, the part of the speedometer where you spend most of your driving...40-70 MPH.
My other real disappointment is in GM's choice of wheels and/or tires. First off, the tires are Generals, and according to the "Tire Rack" surveys, they are POOR performers, and they also have balance problems. Secondly, while the tires are pretty big, at 265/75-15s, the rims are only 7" wide. That's a fairly wide, 30.5" tall tire, that just squirms all over, with that narrow a rim. I didn't expect the Canyon to handle like my Corvette, however I expected it to at least corner as well as my previous S-10. It doesn't, especially right now, with the snow tires on it. I'm looking for some wider 15" rims, to help the snow tires work a little better. I do drive the truck somewhat in the summer, so I already have a set of wider, 16" rims on hand to use with some basic, all season tires. (I already sold off the Generals)
The gas mileage is decent, however at this early point in time, I can't say the I-5 is a gutsy engine. In all fairness, I'm comparing it to a well broken-in V-6. It does have power, if you rev it, like most OHC engines need to do. It just doesn't have the low end torque of the previous V-6, so going up mild hills without downshifting isn't possible. That isn't such a big deal, except when that hill is snow covered, and the sudden downshift gives you some power, which then slides the rear end out.
In summation, I didn't want the bulk of a full sized truck, or an extended cab compact truck. For that reason, I was limited to the Canyon/Colorado or the Ford Ranger. Most of the reviews about the Ford are neutral, in that it's a truck, and never lets you forget it, but a fairly reliable truck at that. I have two friends with Rangers, one says his gas milage is only OK, while the other says it's not too good. So, I went with the Canyon. Like I said, it's OK, so maybe it will grow on me....or, maybe my expectations were a little too high.
Since the noise appears, at least to me, to be right around ear level, but behind me, I'm assuming that there is something about the aerodynamics of the cab that generates this noise around the back window. Since you have an extended cab, you're further away from the window, so you might not be hearing it...Or, the added length of the longer cab changes the airflow characteristics.
Thanks for any info.
Dan
This made the cab noticably quieter. HOWEVER, the wind noise, which is the most annoying, is still present, although to a lesser degree. Spraying both sides of the floor gave both sound insulation, as well as some rust protection. You can easily tell that the lower portion of the cab is quieter, but the noise is still up around "ear level". Maybe I'll have to see what kind of sound barrier can be put above the headliner.
I just don't know how this glaring problem got past the engineers, however....
Other than that, I got rid of the junky looking wheels and General tires after about 500 miles and have had no problems. Good cruiser and has been very reliable.
I have had mine for 1300 miles and so far I love it. Much more expensive to fill up than my 98 Blazer!
Thanks in advance.... :shades:
Just wondering if anyone else is having similar problems.
I have the 2DR, 4WD, 2800 4cyl. 2004 Canyon
Have had it just over a year and just turned 12,000 miles.
1. Tires are almost shot, half the tread is gone and the sidewalls are beginning to
show malformations, (Wavy look)
2. Windshield has developed a stress crack, which dealer insists is from a stone chip and won't replace under warranty even though there is no visible chip.
3. Loss of engine power. I know, I never expected a lot from a 4cyl., but I have noticed a significant drop in power. Transmission is spending a lot of time in the lower gears, higher RPM's.
4. Poor gas milelage. When I first bought the truck, I was averaging 26-30mpg. Now I'm lucky if I can get 24mpg. This is pretty unacceptable considering it a 4cyl. (Possibly linked to #3)?
5. Extensive rusting. Only 12,000miles and rust is very visble on the leaf springs, control arm and towing kit.
6. Noisy as hell. Wind noise, engine noise, road noise... in addition the damn fan rattles around like its got a playing card jammed down it.
Now I know its no Sierra, but I really expected a lot of this little truck.
Anyone else with these problems?
TTYL
Sven :confuse:
1. It's a known fact that General tires are the cheapest crappiest OE tires around. My tires started showing a wavy indentation in the sidewall from the beginning. Tall sidewall tires tend to have this issue but under most circumstances it doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong with the tire.
2. No stress cracks here. I would have to see the crack in order to tell if it was caused by a rock.
3. No change in power on my engine in 4700 miles.
4. I'm not sure what kind of driving you are doing, but your original mileage was excellent and way above average. Keep in mind it's a tall truck with horrible aerodynamics and a large engine (it may be a four cylinder but its the size of the original S10's V6; size is the enemy of fuel economy). Plus, you have the added weight and friction of 4wd. A 24 mpg average is more then acceptable considering your 4wd is only rated at 19/23 if its auto or 17/23 if its manual. The best I have ever averaged was 23 mpg but normally it hovers at 21 (my truck is rated at 21/27). Granted, this is 100% city/suburban driving. I haven't driven on the highway for a long distance yet so I'm not sure how it does there. At any rate, your mileage is normal. This is not an economy car. That being said, your drop in mileage can be attributed to spending lots more time at higher rpms.
5. Rust is normal on these parts. This is common pressed steel, not stainless or rust-proof steel. You will always see surface rust here, especially when you live in cold or beach areas.
6. I have heard the regular cab is noisier then other models. My extended cab's wind noise only becomes noticeable after 70mph and even then it's not bad. The ride is extremely quiet. The engine does get loud when pushed hard but is quiet otherwise. Your noisy fan is probably caused by a leaf stuck in the fan blades.
So overall, I only see 2 possible problems with your truck. The rest is either normal or just the design of it. Try to enjoy your truck. It looks like you are searching hard to find fault with it.
1) Generals are about as low budget as they come - mine are in the garage collecting dust since I took them off a few hundred miles into ownership.
2) This sometimes happens - I had one on a previous vehicle. Mine was replaced under warranty.
3) Sounds like something is not working in the electronic control system.
4) My mileage has stayed steady - worst was first couple thousand miles during break in.
5) This is normal on these parts; the rust actually protects the parts from further oxidation. Unless you are in area using lots of salt or by the ocean, this should not be a concern.
6) My crew cab is as quiet as most cars and better than most trucks.
I've had both full size & small trucks. This Canyon drives more like a full size- smooth, good ride, reasonably quiet.
good luck
It's me again with tthe 2004 Canyon. I had wind noise on the passenger side door that drove nuts too. GMC fixed it by putting white powder all over the weather stripping to find the leak. It would have been nice of them to clean it off before they returned it back to me. Three months after I owned the Canyon I noticed the driver door part that hold the door from opening too far was falling off. I tightened it up myself. Then I noticed the door was rubbing the apint off of the rocker panel where the door and the rocker meet when it closes. GMC adjusted the door, but now I have wind noise on this door. I lived with that for 8 more months and traded it in for a new truck 2005 Toyota 4 x 4
I now have a 2005 Toyota 4 X 4 SR5 night and day . you get what you pay for
Guess I got lucky my Canyon has treated me well and I really have no squeaks or rattles unless I am bouncing down some rough dirt & gravel roads/trails. I've got well over 17k miles and 15 months of ownership.