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Honda Odyssey Transmission Problems
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The 2002 is definitely not covered by the extended warranty; I know, I have one. It covers 2000 and 2001 Odysseys, and certain Accord, Preludes, and Acura TL's. I am not sure if it covers the MDX, but I would think it does. But 2000-2001 only. If you have a 1999 or 2002 that fails beyond standard warranty, insist they cover it, and don't take no for an answer unless your older van has over 100K miles. Even then, I'd push for partial coverage. There is a problem, and they know it.
Honda lost me as customer. The Odyssey really disappointed me. Honda reliability is grossly over rated. Best of luck to those of you who thought Honda reliability was worth the wait and cost.
Honda offered to replace our transmission with a reman, but offered too late after my repair was started. My guess most of the 99s have this same problem (and it is repairable).Trying to get Honda to pay my repair bill now.
I say we 1999 Odyssey owners should E-MAIL Honda and request the same trans coverage as the 2000/01 Odyssey owners 7/100k. IT'S ONLY FAIR.
Thanks for any assistance.
If I had two vehicles made by the same company (which has a reputation for being super reliable), and both vehicles had transmission problems I would NOT care if they replaced the transmissions or not. The inconvience of the problems would taint my opinion of the company.
Yaank - start screaming now, get rid of the lemon and good luck
Kia makes lemons?? haven't seen anything about the Sedona to support your statement. Sorry better luck next time with the cheap shot.
Of course one could say that the Oddy is a lemon given the number of transmission that are expected to have excessive wear, something in the range of 30%.
Enough ranting for now
new topic
Does replacing a transmission cause any strain on the existing motor,...? A friend told me that the motor is put under stresses when the replacement is done. I don't believe that unless the replacement was done on a very high mileage vehicle. Any comment?
Steve, Host
My ODY was dealer maintained; and, I never towed anything, although I had the transmission oil cooler. BTW My transmission was not part of any recall. It was strictly "fell apart one day" surprise.
22 days after the ODY transmission failed, I traded it in on a Toyota.
As for the Toyota, have you heard about engine sludge? It was happening to Toyota 2.0L and 2.2L 4 cylinders as well as the 3.0L V6 used in the Sienna, ES300, RX300, and Camry. Even though owners were following Toyota's recommended maintenance some owners were experiencing engine failures at as low as 20,000 miles. At the time Toyota told them the failure was due to lack of maintenance on their part and would not cover the $4000+ that was required for the engine replacement. Now years later, Toyota finally admits it was their fault for not recommending appropriate intervals for oil changes. So you traded a car that might need a transmission for a car that might need a new engine. I guess you are free to choose your own poison.
You never said whether Honda paid for the transmission or not???
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/020923-3.htm
1.2 million hondas have possible of pre wear transmission model years of 2000-2002, basically 1/3 of all honda sold in that period.
But find out more for warranty and get help. "
Sounds like 33% to me, could I be wrong??
My emphasis. So, it's not 33% of vehicles that Honda sold in that period, it's approximately 2% of some of the vehicles that Honda sold in that period.
One of the most important outtakes from that article.
"Our priorities are making sure our customers are taken care of and reassured they can continue to depend on their Honda or Acura automobile for a long time to come," said Tom Elliott, executive vice president for American Honda."
What lemon list is the Odyssey on?
And do you really think you are going to be better off with a Caravan? Read CR and Edmunds own long-term toad test.
Kinda like when he claimed that Consumer Reports showed the Odyssey in a downward reliability trend, but was unable to justify his claims. The 2003 Auto issue is just out, and no Honda Odyssey model years were below average; 1999 and 2000 were average and 1995-1998 and 2001-2002 were above average. The overall reliability projection was 22% above average. No years appeared on the, "Used Cars to Avoid" or, "Reliability Risks" tables. The Odyssey did, however, appear on the, "CR Good Bets" table.
In the category breakdowns (p.95 for Xaf's benefit), the transmissions area was given the top marks (2% problem rate or less) for 1995-1997 and 2000-2002, and the second best category (2%-5% problem rate) for 1998 and 1999.
This is not to say the transmissions are problem free, but certainly no where nearly as bad as Xaf wants people to believe for some strange reason.
Does anyone disagree?
Each new CR auto issue is based on problem rates over the last 12 months. So, the April '03 issue is based on a new 12-month span than the April '02 issue. So, it is certainly possible that the 1999 Odyssey could have been "average" for the last 24 months, but "below average" for the previous 12. There were a number of first year recalls for the 1999 Odyssey, particularly on the power doors. Once fixed for the recalls, those issues may not recur and that alone may account for this (just speculation). Pretty much what anonymousposts suggested.
Thanks for the backup, in any case:-) It is clear that the trend is upward, for the last couple years at least.
Howver questions remain:
Should I expect another trans problem in 1 to 2 yrs?
Has the transmission design really changed since this time last year (as the Honda Canada rep is insisting)?
Are the 2003, 2004 Model transmissions (5 speed) any better?
Anyone tried/have success in getting assistance from Honda in "trading up" to the newer 5 sp model?
Like the van generally but don't want to be living in fear of the trans failing some time when we're far from home...
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I had gotten the impression looking at the shop manuals that new 5 sp tranny wouldn't be an exact mate for the '00 engine.
So far, I've had 4 Odys since '99 (before then, it was the smaller 4 cylinder Ody, so those don't count in the reliability of the current model). The '99 was replaced after a botched replacement (3rd repair) of the tranny. The 2000 was replaced because we were rear-ended the first wk and I was fortunant enough (over the 3 month wait for a new one) to convince the insurance co. that they should pay and run. That one (3rd) was replaced after tranny replacement that was also botched. I also was told "I'm sure it's a new, not reman tranny. They haven't built enough to have cores yet. Hogwash. When pressed for documentation I was first told that they couldn't find any. -Really? an outfit like Honda with no traceability? Get real. Further pressure resulted in the admission that it was a rebuild. They offered cash compensation which I refused, then offered add'l assurances regarding potential failure of the tranny -not much, since at this point, I had the 7yr/100k HondaCare- which I accepted. About 10k miles later, that tranny failed, they replaced it, botched it, and we traded for another, the 2002. Why would I continue to subject myself to this, you ask? Because my wife LOVES the features of this stupid vehicle, and admittedly, the dealer bent over backward to resolve the prblms once they became ridiculous. I paid only for the mileage and a very reasonable rate at that. If I could lease a vehicle at Xcents/mile which was twice what I paid, I'd be tempted. However, my wife has been informed that if we have another major prblm, this is it. Even she says she'll never buy another Honda. I'm not that adamant because I have to admit they handled this far better than the evisceration I rec'd at the hands of Ford in 1984 (and never have considered another since). I'd consider another Honda, but not the Ody until it's a totally different vehicle. We still have sticking doors (LX), rattles out the kazoo, creaking brakes, etc., none of which are worth the risk of letting them work on it.
Anyway, the point is that 2002 had a new, even visibly different, 5spd tranny - and that did NOT solve the prblm. Keep in mind that 2 to 5 percent of 1.2 million vehicles equates to 24000 to 60000 owners, for whom the problem is 100%.
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I had gotten the impression looking at the shop manuals that new 5 sp tranny wouldn't be an exact mate for the '00 engine. "
Thanks for the info on the 5sp. However I intended to ask if Honda would help trading the whole vehicle to a new model year.
msibille:
That's quite a story. When you say 'botched', how exactly did they botch it? Have you noticed any problems yet with your 2002? I don't think my wife would be quite so patient ... ;=0
Again, the "botching" was by the dealer svc dept, but we never would've gotten to that point if the tranny hadn't malfunctioned to start with.
-And, the vehicle that was hit the first week- it was repaired by the insurance co, and I traded it, and the insurance check for the replacement. When the replacement was making noise, my wife brought it in, and the repaired vehicle was on the rack - getting a new transmission. That's right, the first 3 vehicles we got, all 3 had to have replacement trannies.
I am interested in finding out if anyone has had any transmission problems, or any other problems for that matter, on the '03 model Odyssey's? I realize there may not be very many with higher miles. I would like to know of any quirks or disappointments? Thanks.
I'm wondering if it would be 1) a good idea to ask Honda to pick up the other 1500 and have them extend the warranty on the rebuilt transmission to 100K after reading everyone else's horror stories.
Anyone have any ideas?
Thx.
'99 Honda EX owner in GA.
mac
Transmission replaced at no additional charge to us ($500 paid previous week for solenoid in tranny). Runs so much smoother! However, check engine light came on 2 miles from the dealership on the way home. Turned around and took it back in; code was "catalytic converter deterioration". Found out (from our service manual) that the o2 sensors and converter are removed to replace tranny. Returned the car this am for recheck; Honda replaced the converter at no additional charge. Have to say, as before, that my "faith" in the reliability is somewhat shaken, but the service provided by Honda so far is great.
mac
Any advice or help would be appreciated. Check my profile for my email address.
Thanks,
Blake
I dont know kinda scares me. Just trying to learn more about the Honda cars, as I make a decision on what to get.
Good Luck!
Blake