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I would have gladly paid a small doc fee, but I absolutely refuse to pay the $299 doc fee. As a point of refernce, our last auto was purchased new in 2000 (as an 01 model) ... we paid 3% over invoice ... including ALL fees. Previously, we paid a $49 doc fee when we purchased a new car in 1996 (as a 96 model).
Of course my wife and I are disappointed, but this is not the end of the world. I am very encouraged by bmnick's purchase ... add the StepTronic ($1200) to his car and that is what we would like to have. In fact, the reasons we chose this particular 3 revolved around the fact that it was not bloated with premium, cold weather, and other packages we neither need or desire.
Bmnick ... if you are out there, we would like the name and phone number of your dealer/salesman.
Finally, part of the problem we are fighting is dealer monopoly. We live in Knoxville TN and there is only a single BMW dealership in this area ... Grayson BMW. There are other dealerships in Nashville, Chattanooga, and Tri-Cities ... we will most likely work with them over the next few months to find the car we want at a fair dealer profit.
Thanks for everyone's help.
Great job sticking to your guns with the dealer and their insane doc fee, too bad you didn't get the car but they are just being greedy. When I negotiated for my 03 325i two weeks ago, I only offered $700 dealer profit because I knew they were going to tack on $300 doc fee. At $1000 over true cost, I still think your dealer would make a decent profit...give them a week to think about it (I bet they will call you back if they want to move the car...all depends on how popular that set of options is in their market) and if you don't hear anything in a week, and you haven't found a better deal (and you're sure that the car is a good fit for you, regarding options and color), then call them back and offer to split the difference - pay your offer plus $150 for doc fee. But of course, you may find a better deal somewhere else...in my limited experience, the dealers outside of the major metro areas are more willing to move old inventory.
one of the tricks i've been recomended and i've used and seen others use successfully is that when the manager or damager or whoever comes out to tell you its a non negotiable fee, you ask them to provide written documentation on exactly what this fee covers in services rendered including reasons for why it is not negotiable. It is not some fee mandated by law. Most of these dealerships don't have documentary proof for reasons to charge it. And just in case a dealer gets smart and manages to pull out a load of papers on it, tell them you will have your lawyer brother in law review it and if it all looks good, you'll come back. Most dealers lately have also gotten around to pre printing this fee on the sheets, so the only real way for them to cut that cost out is to further discount your negotiated price down by a logical amount. I am ready to pay doc fees in the middle 50s maybe even upto 100, because there's manpower involved in putting together your paperwork and forwarding your information for license and tag and title, etc. and manpower is not cheap, certainly not at dealerships, but i dont see any way in which the cost of these activities or services rendered could be about maybe 50-75 bucks.
ksso
just kidding
cheers
ksso
Again, folks, this is not the right discussion to get into a debate about the ethics of the automotive sales industry. Please join an active discussion on our Smart Shopper board to pursue those thoughts.
Thank you.
ksso
Great deal. Convertibles aren't known for selling much off MSRP.
Newb.
Options
- Xenon
- Sport Pkg
- Leather
- Sunroof
Miles: 15600
Asking price: $15750
Edmunds dealer price is $21470
What do y'all think I should offer? How high should I go?
I can probably envision a sales manager showing you the door when you're a few hundred over cost and threatening to rip them on a survey.
I can't find the $2,000 incentive on any website (edmunds, cars, intellichoice, etc.) Where do I find that?
I am looking for a 2003 325 w/ leather, premium package and metallic paint. Here is the pricing on it.
Invoice MSRP
$25,460 $27,800
+$1,320 $1,450 for leather
+$2,455 $2,700 for prem. package
+$430 $475 for metallic
+695 $695 Destination fee
$30,360 $33,120 Total
So, I am thinking that $28,860 is a good price on that car. That is giving the dealer $500. Do y'all think this is a viable purchase price?
Also, wife's car has both regular and rubber floor mats and because of my daughter, we only use the rubber ones (surprisingly not made in china), and intially i thought they would make the convertible look uncool, but we are happier with them, specially me 'cuz the weekly detailing job falls on me...
now was it the 7 series, there was no question of a rubber mat.....
ksso
325xi is $1,500....330xi $2500
There is still a good selection.
Invoice price - 29315(27050+695+955+615)
The best offer I got so far - 30,750. (including mats etc) - Is this a good deal?
The dealer said that in addition to invoice, he has to pay training, mktg etc whic is another 500.
Thanks.
My clients have ALL loved it. Hello, Munich!
Premium
Cold Weather
Auto (I know, I know...)
Xenon
Including $695 freight, MSRP = $43,595.
Dealer quoted me $41500.
Any thoughts are appreciated.
I am looking into buying a 2003 325i automatic trans. with a moonroof and xenon headlights. I just received a quote of $29,490 from a dealership in San francisco that includes power front seats and the floor mat. I believe the invoice price is $29,860 - Is this a good deal considering that there may be a $1,500-2000 incentive to the dealer.
Thanks.
Auto Trans
Premium Pckg
Jet Black / Black leatherette
MSRP: 32,470 Edmunds Invoice 29,820
Dealer Quote is 28,820 or 1,000 below invoice.
Is this a good deal?
awaiting delivery....
MSRP Invoice
Base 29550 27050
Premium 3100 2820
Metallic 475 430
Dest 695 895(maco,training fee)
_____ _____
33820 31195
paid appx 4% over invoice
$1200 ttl $32395
included both carpeted and rubber mats..
I am thinking about addding BMW alarm,dealer wants $525 for system,would appreciate input if security system is sufficent that comes with car..or alarm system worth the extra cost live in city area?
Well except for me, but that's because I think he should have bought a TSX, not a bimmer.
I still believe 27k is too much, for my brother-in-law's 325i. But he's happy...so why question it? I had a friend who bought a Passat the other day after spending weeks looking with her. Still amazed someone would buy a VW.
The rest of your question is better answered in the TSX v. 325i forum.