2013 and earlier BMW 3-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience

carnaught · August 2008

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youngsl · August 2008

Hello,
I have an offer from a local BMW dealer on '08 328 convertible, and I need some of you experts' opinions:

08 328 convertible
Automatic transmission,
Comfort Access,
BMW Assist with Bluetooth,
IPOD
MSRP: 47300

Sale price: 43905

36 mon/ 12000 lease:
1153.42 total due at signing
708.18 / month including tax

Do I have a good deal?

jdcar1 · August 2008

Hard to say if thats a good deal....when you look at a lease deal, you need to break down each item...ie money factor, residual, acq fee, etc. States have different tax rates so its hard to compare between different states. Couple important things to consider to determine a good deal...first, what is the selling price discount...your getting about $3.4k off msrp which is pretty good (could prob do a little better.)

I just leased my 335 coupe and got around $4k off msrp, money factor was .0017, residual was 54% (that should be same across all dealerships), and acq fee negotiated down to $625. I did 36mth 15k miles per year.

Hope this helps.

layzie · September 2008

I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. I'm currently on the market trying to find hopefully a CPO '07 328 with around 10k miles, manual, sports/premium package. I was wondering what is a good price range to look for, and also without CPO what would be a good price range. Would 26-28k for an CPO model be reaching too far as the '09 models are coming soon? I was browsing through the forums and people have said that 33k is good for an '07 335 but not too sure about the specs.

I recently saw one under my specifications being advertised for 29k but this is without CPO, and that worries me somewhat.

manybmws · September 2008

Mouse over 328 Sedan on Financing Offers page on bmwusa.com and it says 3.9% in the popup!

rstickler · September 2008

if you guys have to negotiate on bmw's than you guys dont deserve a bmw, and should go by a kia

roadburner · September 2008

And let's all extend a hearty welcome to our newest troll!

rstickler · September 2008

there is a reason bmw have the such a high resale value! and i keep reading all these posts about talking down and
(I GET DISCOUNT) buyers. damn people get a grip. buy bmw for what it is and if you cant than go buy a domestic or other platform sharing models im sure they could and will (GIVE YOU DISCOUNT)

roadburner · September 2008

I've owned 8 BMWs over the past 25 years, and I've never paid MSRP on a new one- and I've picked up several pristine used/CPO cars at considerable savings as well. Silly me.
Look, everyone has the right to throw good money out the window, and if it makes you feel superior to brag about paying full pop for a BMW, then be my guest.
Judging from the quality of your 2 posts, you certainly need something to feel superior about...

zekeman1 · September 2008

Judging from the quality of your 2 posts, you certainly need something to feel superior about.

Well said.

Z

roadburner · September 2008

Thanks!

blueguydotcom · September 2008

That's sweet and quaint. The world of BMW has changed from the 1970s. They're in a life and death struggle with Acura, Infiniti, Lexus and even Hyundai. Times change. We no longer use beepers either.

darkwader2001 · September 2008

I am looking at this used 328i from a private party that needs to sell it in a month's time. What should I offer for this car? I know he's taken good care of the auto.

2008 328i, auto trans, 9k miles, excellent condition
premium package, Ipod accessory
black/black

thanks!

usctrojan99 · September 2008

Hi - this is the deal we got on my wife's 335i sedan

335i sedan.
36 months/$12K
Alpine White (color my wife wanted)
Brown Leather seats
Premium package
Automatic
Heated seats
iPod
satellite radio
MSRP: $44,995
Net Cap Cost: $40,115 (i might be "slightly" off on this as I wrote everything down on paper and had a two numbers for this but difference is ~$100, but everything else is definitely correct. I can confirm this number later)
MF: .0015, Resdidual 58%
$1200 down w/ total drive off of $2280 (includes 1st month payment, tax on cap cost reduction of $116, registration fee of $341, Doc fee of $45, etc)
$494.57 + tax per month, which amounts to $535.37.

What do you guys think? We shopped around all across so California, and this was the best deal by far we could find.This forum was immensely helpful.

socal59 · September 2008

I'll tell you what rstickler, you pay full price and while your add it, maybe kick in another $5000 above MSRP, heck that way it really helps with resale. We on the other hand will be smart consumers and negotiate the best deal we can. Sound fair?

gatorsf · September 2008

All,

I'd love your opinion on what I should expect to pay for a 2006 C325i CPO with 30k miles or less, with a premium package. A dealer in South Florida has one posted with 29k miles for $25,000. This car also has Sirius and poplar trim.

They have a lot in the $25-28k range. My local dealer has slim pickings and a slightly higher price.

Thanks!

smayence · September 2008

Hello everyone,

I am looking into buying a 335i convertible with the following specs: automatic
nav.
ipod
sports pck.
premium pck.
comfort acces
in monaco blue w/beige interior

I was quoted @ $53,935 plus taxes, license and title.

I know the car w/out E.D is around 58k-59k MSRP and E.D. is something like $56,000, this sounds like a good deal, any suggestions??

blueguydotcom · September 2008

Read this wiki on ED - yes, I've ordered a BMW via ED (paid 35.7k for a 42k 330i in 2006):

http://www.bimmerfest.com/wiki/index.php/ED_Order

You should never pay the ED listed price from BMW's site.

manybmws · September 2008

You can negotiate $1,000 over ED wholesale price.

There is a an ED wholesale price list on bimmerfest.com for 08s anyways.

Net net pricing guideline is you can get the price down 11% from U.S. MSRP although you need to get the actual pricing info for the model and option you are buying and load into a spreadsheet.

Check my post on how to get the pricing sheets:

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef0f82e/1395!keywords=allin%3Amsgt- ext%20limit%3A.f0a3035%20wholesale%20pricing%20manybmws#1395

bigpapaluke · September 2008

So after much bantering with Hendrick BMW of Charlotte, I want's able to get a solid deal on an 2008 model. For those in the Charlotte market, if you are looking for a deal on BMW, I would recommend going to other dealerships that within reasonable driving distance, since my experience in Charlotte was less than stellar.

With that said, I was able to work out the following deal with BMW South in Atlanta:

2008 335i Sedan
Manual Transmission
Silver metallic paint / black interior
Premium Package
Sports Package
iDrive
Comfort access
Satellite
iPod USB
Split rear seats
Park distance control

MSRP: $49,345
Selling Price: $45,985
Acquisition Fee: $725
Cap Cost: $47,309 (includes acquisition and $599 roadside hazard)
Residual: 56% (3 years / 15K a year)
Money Factor: .0014
Tax: 3%

Monthly payment: $671 / month
Upfront: $1590 (first month's payment, $149 documentation fee, $3 lemon law, $700 security deposit, $65 registration fee)

I personally think this is a great deal, but would welcome other people's opinions. Happy shopping everyone

ltsang1 · September 2008

Thank you for your info. Wow, a lot of detail. This is extremely helpful. The deal sounds great to me. I'm also look at leasing a 335i with the exact option and I'm in the Los Angeles area. Can you provide the dealership and contact for this deal? I would greatly appreciate it.

sharkala · September 2008

I just purchased a 2008 328xi and want to make sure that I got a good deal. The MSRP is 45,100. Thr selling price is $42,100. I am only paying up front costs, Security deposit $600, Bank Fee $625, tax and tags $150, 1st month. They are also paying my disposition fee of $350 for my Audi. I was quoted a 12K mile/36 month lease a total of $595 per month including tax.
The car is fully loaded and less expensive to lease than the 2009 Audi A4.
Thanks,

kaizenfury7 · September 2008

I thought this lease deal was pretty good (New Century, Alhambra, CA)

328i
Navi
Steptronic
Premium Pkg

MSRP: 40300
Invoice: 37690
Selling price: 36690 (-3610 off MSRP, -1000 off invoice)

15K @ 36 mos (56% residual)

MF = 0.00091 (w/ 4000 sec deposit)

Monthly payment inc. tax = 483

Drive off = 5731
includes:
License fee: 303
Bank fee: 898
First month
Security deposit = 4000

Lease would've been 0 security deposit with 524/mo, and total lease payments would've been 20K and some change

With 4000 security deposit and 483/mo, total lease payments ~18600.

--experience--

Salesperson saved me $1400 because I didn't know about MSDs. First dealership I went to didn't even bother telling me about MSDs

Also, salesperson had his lease calc on his computer in front of me the whole time, and did a 'print screen' when we were done. Took the time to go over lease calculations until I figured out how to do it right. All this, and didn't ask any questions initially but went below invoice without having to haggle to get there.

gatorsf · September 2008

Thank you for the info. What are MSDs?

blueguydotcom · September 2008

multiple security deposits = the ability to buy down the money factor. you get them back at lease-end. I had ten of them on my 330i in 2003.

" Most leases will require you to pay a security deposit at inception. If a MSD program is available, you pay more than one security deposit. Each additional security deposit will lower your interest rate by a certain amount. That lower interest rate will result in a lower monthly payment. You can calculate an implied rate of return by comparing the monthly savings against the initial "capital outlay" (the additional security deposits). For example, if you pay 6 security deposits at $600 each ($3600 capital outlay), and your new monthly payment is lower by $30 per month compared to your original payment without the 6 MSD, your yearly savings is $360. Applied against the initial capital outlay of $3600, your implied rate of return based on the yearly savings of $360 is 10% - TAX FREE and GUARENTEED. At the end of the lease, you get your $3600 back.

Different manufacturers may have different programs. Some will not have such a program."

gatorsf · September 2008

Very interesting. Thank you for the information.

bobby4 · September 2008

could someone comment if this is a good lease deal on a 328i automatic?
MSRP 35,400 (basic 328i model)
Dealer price 32400
Residual 0.59
Money factor 0.014
Downpayment 1498 (including 1st month payment)
10,000 miles/year
Monthly payment $ 417+ taxes

Is this a good deal?
thanks!

dapupster · September 2008

dealer is offering $31,852.32 for a new 3.28i w/ automatic, metallic paint, memory seats, and heated seats. i wanted the cold weather package (w/ the fold down seats) which this doesn't have...hard to find that however...the best price on a car w/ automatic, cold weather, and the memory seats is around $34500. Apparently, the dealer selling me the new 3.28i has it designated as a "specialty demo" car (even though it was never demoed and has 14 miles on it), so he's giving another $1500 off the invoice price in addition to the auto. trans. credit.

this a good deal? i really want fold down seats, but is this too good a deal?

roadburner · September 2008

2008 335i
PP
SP
Step w/paddles
Heated Seats
iPod/USB
MSRP: $46,200
Sale price: $41,000 + TTL
If it wasn't a slushbox it would be in my driveway tonight. :sick:

hpowders · September 2008

A good time to make a deal on a 2008 335i with 0.9% financing being offered. Combine that with pressure on the dealers to unload the remaining 2008's and it's a great time to be dealing with BMWFS.

roadburner · September 2008

Combine that with pressure on the dealers to unload the remaining 2008's and it's a great time to be dealing with BMWFS.

I agree, the same dealer had a CPO 2008 335i stick with 11k equipped about like the new 2008 for $39,950. Now I realize that the price is negotiable, but still... a new one for only $1,500 more plus 0.9 financing?

nyccarguy · September 2008

but it is a SLUSHBOX!

hpowders · September 2008

You know, I am seeing great CPO deals on used 2007 335i's too.

A 2007 335i sedan in my area with only 14k miles, equipped with SP, PP, CWP, manual side shades, rear parking sensors and the dreaded AT, for only $36,400. I plugged this info into Edmunds' used car gizmo using "good" as the condition and they came up with at least $42k CPO' d. A new 2008 335i sedan would go for $45k-$47k with all that stuff, depending on your bargaining prowess.

Of course someone who traded in a 335i most likely drove it pretty hard. I would hesitate in getting a CPO' d 335i for that reason. Even though BMW tests it, and approves it, who knows? If I get a 335i, it will be "new."

We may never see 0.9% financing on "new" 335i's ever again. Wow!

tmchow · September 2008

I'd take a CPO also, even a 1 year old one. I"m in the middle of a search to figure what car to buy next and thinking about a 335. Anyone have the depreciation tables for 335? I'm trying to figure out the actual depreciation per year on the car so I can properly assess the advantages against leasing on a per year basis.

mchspd1 · September 2008

CPO's are ok given the right deal. I picked up a 02 CPO'ed 330i coupe with a 5 speed back in 02. It was only a couple of months old and in perfect shape. I think sticker was $43K and I got it for $36K plus ttl. I had to sell it 2 years later when my baby was born and didnt loose a penny. I got back my $5K down payment and all my extra $50 monthly payment on the note. Sold it for $28K. If you catch it on a good deal and sell it before it drops, you should be good. There is no reason to eat that first year depreciation, when you can find good ones out there.

blueguydotcom · September 2008

If you do a search on BMWUSA for CPO'd 335s you'll see the sedans are listing for ~34k and up.

Here's one with 15k miles and it's listing at 35k:

# Premium Package
# Sport Package
# Sport steering wheel w/paddles
# STEPTRONIC Automatic Transmission
# Light Poplar Natural wood trim
# Fold down rear seats w/ski bag
# Heated front seats
# Park Distance Control (rear)

Brand new this car easily sold for 47-48k.

That's a sizable 26-28% drop from MSRP. And there's always wiggle room to get them down more.

hpowders · September 2008

Believe me, I have been pacing back and forth thinking about it.

Paying around $10k less for a loaded 2007 335i sedan with 14k miles as a CPO over new, sounds great. Of course, some of that advantage would be lost in financing. New 335i's are going for 0.9% interest. I figure as a CPO, the 2007 335i would be at least 3.9% through BMWFS. Around $2000 more in interest over 60 months than for a new one. Still, a good deal.

I bought a vehicle in July when my 545i lease was up. Not a BMW. First time in 15 years. Good thing I bought it instead of chaining myself down to a 3 year prison sentence . Nothing like having the flexibility to move on.

My wife must have been reading my mind in the car a few hour ago. She asked me, "Are you thinking of moving back to BMW?" She got that right!

hpowders · September 2008

The deal you quote is typical of the fabulous deals out there right now. I think we can thank the higher gas prices for the en masse returning of 2007 335i's and luxury V-8's.

The car you list is exactly how I would want mine, except for the heated seats.

I do believe that you can throw $33k at them and they would laugh, but the next day you would have the car for $34k.

blueguydotcom · September 2008

Agreed. I have a BMW CCA membership too, so that's another $500. Personally, I'm waiting until the 2009s land. This should clobber the prices on the 2007s.

hpowders · September 2008

I have the CCA membership too. It's good for CPO vehicles.

Good idea about waiting for the 2009's to land here. Those 335i's aren't going anywhere. Most folks still go for the 325i's and 328i's and there are many more of those on the CPO list than 335i's.

By November, those 2007 335i's should be looking pretty good.

jaxs1 · September 2008

I really don't see people posting they are paying $48K even on new ones. There are huge discounts available. You are overstating the discount on CPO.

blueguydotcom · September 2008

Even a 4k discount is 44k. A 2008 for 44k v. 34k for a 2007 is a 22+% difference. I don't see the value in buying a quickly depreciating entry-lux car new. Sure if you're doing ED it's worthwhile (14-17% discount off msrp) but buying off the lot? No. And by the end of 2008 you'll easily be able to scoop up 2007 335 sedans for 30k or less.

Now would I buy a 335i new with premium package or active steering? No. But if I bought a 335i new, I'd order it so spec and pick up in munich like my last BMW.

When you're comparing a 2008 civic to a 2007 civic and the price gap is a couple grand I can see saying buy new. But a BMW drops like a rock (same amount, but far more $$$$) after purchase, so why not just avoid that first hit altogether?

hpowders · September 2008

the 2007 and 2008 335i's are the same vehicle.

There should be a new crop of 2007 335i's coming to dealers this winter fresh off of their 2 year leases from the first kids on the block to "own" the twin-turbo.

kyfdx · September 2008

I thought the '07 335i didn't come out until January or February?

I could be wrong (and way to lazy to look back in this forum..lol).

hpowders · September 2008

Well, the Edmunds review was in November of 2006, so I inferred the car was available at that time. However, you may be right.

I monitor the BMWNA CPO's frequently. Should be pretty obvious when those early boys bring back the twin-turbos.

One more good thing about buying off-lease CPO's-not only do you avoid major depreciation, but any problems-major and minor were already fixed thanks to the original kicking and screaming done by the original leasees and/or the CPO checkpoint inspection. There was a rash of 2007 335i fuel pump problems which should have been fixed.

There are some good deals right now in my area; for example, a 2007 CPO 335i sedan, 13,600 miles, with PP, SP, ST, paddle shifters, manual side shades, back up sensors, and CWP for $37,980. Tempting, but I will wait for winter and the beginning of the return of the 2 year leased 335i's. Looking for $35k or less.

kyfdx · September 2008

335i coupes available in October... sedans by November, for sure... maybe earlier..

hpowders · September 2008

The first Edmunds consumer review for the 2007 335i sedan was on October 15, 2006.

blueguydotcom · September 2008

Nope the 335i hit the road in late 2006. They announced the 335 literally weeks after I got my 2006 330i in April of 06.

xeye · September 2008

Personally, I bought an '07 335xi (Aug '07) and an '08 328xi (Aug '08), both new. My 335xi had 5 miles on it and the 328xi had 1 mile on the odometer. The 335xi was paid off with a year, and the 328xi is financed with BMWFS @ 0.9%.

In spite of the discount of CPO vs new, and although I was very tempted to go the CPO route, when we took delivery of the new cars, I had absolutely no regrets about going with new.

All these forums talk about wasting your money on a BMW if you don't really drive it the way a BMW should be driven. That means flogging it hard, perhaps on a track. With the oil overheating issues on the 335, high-pressure fuel pumps failing, etc, even with the pre-sales inspection done by BMW for CPO cert, you take a big chance on having major repairs. All CPO means is that BMW will repair it when (not IF) it fails. That's not to say that new cars may not require service, but at least the 2nd or 3rd model year would have had these issues resolved in Munich, not at the local BMW dealer.

I drive my cars with respect, pushing them when necessary, but far from abuse. Even with the off-the-lot depreciation, the residual will be better than leased cars, notorious for having been neglected and abused. And if the plan is to keep the car for years, who cares about the off-the-lot drop in value?

Both of our cars are 6 SP stick. CPO doesn't mean that the previous owner didn't learn to drive a manual transmission on your shiny almost new ride. How many curbs were climbed or driven off before you got it? Those potholes that didn't quite crack the wheels? Was the oil ever changed?

No thanks. I'd rather not worry about it. My peace of mind is worth the price, but to each his/her own.

Besides, there is little else that is so naturally (and legally) intoxicating as the scent of a new leather interior. This, as opposed to someone else's stale cigar fumes and flatulence.

xeye

carnaught · September 2008

.... I had absolutely no regrets about going with new......Besides, there is little else that is so naturally (and legally) intoxicating as the scent of a new leather interior. This, as opposed to someone else's stale cigar fumes and flatulence.

You're speaking my language (LOL).

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