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I was just thinking about my one and only Dodge product that I purchased - and they had a problem with the color itself - on all models, and even extended to some Jeeps that were using the same color base - it reacted to the clear coat finish. It was eventually a situation where they had to redo the entire vehicle.
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After leaving the dealership yesterday after being told that the only thing that I could get was a demo vehicle with more than 1000 miles on it (in the wrong color). I called around myself and found the right Armada within 70 miles.
As a customer, I should not have to beg a dealership to do a proper job or do the job for them.
Additionally I was told from two separate dealerships that they cannot order from the factory. When I explained this to other dealers, they laughed and said that it was absurd.
Back to the vehicle, it's a great SUV and probably has the most features out of all other SUV's in its price range. Toyota, Jeep and possibly others are waiting until 2005 to come out with SUV's that could compare in regards to style and options.
With that said, I'm to the point where I would rather buy an '04 Sequoia easily then go through the hassle of buying from Nissan.
Edloeser asked for dealer info ,we ordered ours from Rt 23 automall in Butler NJ,List $44770, we paid $41400, or $3300 off of MSRP. They had 2 on the lot last week, could have got one of those ,list $42950 for $40100, but it didn't have what we wanted. We are a repeat customer of this dealership so I don't know how much that helped with our price. Hope this helps.
Just my opinion ,but I think it would be better to get the DVD system from the factory instead of having the wiring messed with later, unless you plan on getting the portable type that plugs in to your lighter. We priced the after market and they were roughly in the same price range (aftermarket was a little less expensive) but you have to have the inconveinence of having it installed and 1 year warranty oppossed to 3 years from factory.
G Money
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SE PACKAGES:
BOSE PACKAGE (H01) $750
210 Watts AM/FM/6CD
Bose Audio System
Steering Wheel Controls
10 Speakers
LEATHER PACKAGE (X01) $2350
All contents of Bose Package plus
Leather Seats
Front row side air bags
Passenger 6 way power seat
SUNROOF PACKAGE (J01) $3350
All contents of Leather Package plus
Sunroof
JOURNEY PACKAGE (S01) $3950
All contents of Sunroof package plus
2nd row Captain's Chairs
Hope that helps. There is an SE Offroad model that is between the base SE & the LE.
Just want to note that I dealt with the internet dept at the Manassas, VA dealership and everything was smooth as could be. Most importantly they did $1500 over invoice and all of the numbers matched the invoice #'s in Edmunds.. It was great no BS, pushy sales person, etc..
Had one dealer in Alexandria, VA, trying to convince me that invoice was actually several hundred $$ over what Edmunds has online.. And to get the $1500 over invoice I had to come in that night and sign the paperwork. What BS...
Just wanted to say thanks for the info which helped me with my yesterday's purchase and pass along information that other people might find useful.
I have started looking for a new car 2 weeks ago when my Toyota Previa, my love of the last 12 years (I bought two of these cars in a row) started to make funny noises. These were, strangely enough, identified as "nothing" by my friendly Toyota service center.
My new car purchase day came more sudden then I anticipated when on my drive home from work on Tuesday I lost the drive shaft. By then, I was already reading this forum and getting ideas on prices/problems that people were experiencing. Here is the summary of my experience:
PRICE:
I live in PA. In Allentown, where I work the local dealer (Rothrock) told me that they refuse to charge over the MSRP for this vehicle even though other dealers do(ha-ha-ha). Another dealer closer to where I live agreed to $500 off the MSRP, but we did not agree on the trade-in value so we left (this was Monday night, before the trade-in, Toyota, lost it's shaft).
I talked to the dealer in Fairfax, VA who was OK with $1500 over invoice (thanks to the person who posted this info). We were planning to drive there this comming Saturday to pick up the car we wanted when I decided to give one last chance to Eisenhour Nissan, my local dealer in PA. When I took the trade-in out of the deal, they went for it. So I drove my new Armada home last night.
PAINT:
Mine is deepwater blue. It's really more green than blue. There are two spots on it that look like paint defect. The dealer is trying to take care of it, but short of repaining the entire car, I don't know if they can do anything about it. I did see it when I test drove the car and don't think that it will show at all when the car is not clean and sparkly. I don't really pay attention to stuff like that, but my husband does, so I am letting him handle it.
FLOOR MATS:
The dealer mentioned that he would give me free floor mats (which were not included) if he cannot take care of the paint. Just wanted to mention that there are Nissan dealers on-line who sell ARMADA floormats at half price.
AFTER-MARKET DVD:
Mine does not have one, just wanted to join in warning about intalling any electronics though the after-market dealer. Don't do it! My husband had a place like that to put in keyless entry into my Toyota. Three years later my headlights went out and my turn/lights switch burned down. The Toyota dealer said it was because the peole who installed the keyless entry ripped up all the wiring to get it connected and something shorted later on. In these type exotic cars, and I think Armada is one of those, with lots of electronics on board, they will not have connectors that will just plug in. They will damage existing connectors to have this stuff hooked in.
HOW DOES IT FEEL:
I really do love the car but feel like I am driving a tank. I just started to read the owner's manual and the features on it are really neat. They put a lot of thought into it. Being an electronics engineer, I am a little scared about all the electronics.
I am not sure that this is the best car for me, I just drive too much. It is really hard to park in the garage( I hope to get used to it).
I would have preferred to drive a smaller car to work every day, but at the same time do want the interior space, seating, and the 4WD for family trips/snow. I don't have a trailer to pull so it's somewhat of a waste. It would be ideal if my husband wanted to drive it and traded me his sedan. He's been begging to take it home from the dealer last night, but I did not let him, it was just too much fun!
If the portable DVD is mounted like this, it probably won't:
Or the DVD player can be velcro-strapped on top of the center console with a non-slip material underneath. Local home improvement stores sell inexpensive velcro straps.
If the Armada follows what Infiniti did with the FX, the Entertainment System would most likely be pre-wired. I'm not so sure about plug and play but a few FX owners were able to tap into the harness and connect their MP3 players or other sources.
"G Money"
I removed your post about the new board - here's a safer link:
Nissan Pathfinder Armada Accessories
While we're housekeeping, we may as well rename this discussion to keep everything consistent.
Steve, Host
I too hear the "resonance". It seems to occur between 1600 and 1900 RPM, regardless of speed. It also seems to be a bit more pronounced while the engine is still getting up to running temp.
I believe (I'm no mechanic) that is has to do with the exhaust system. I'm of the opinion that the exhaust system, in order to produce class leading power numbers, has been tuned so that the result is this low resonance heard during the above RPM's...just my .02
While not a huge problem, if they ever adjust the exhaust systems in the future (provided that's the issue) I will have mine changed...
The one they had was an LE 4x4 with the upgrade package and the gray interior.
I must admit the gray interior is a bit bland - not much visual interest at all. Hopefully the other interior colors are a bit better. I also agree that the interior feels 'cheap' especially in how the bins open, the movement of the climate controls. I think some would call them 'buttery' in their operation and might like them.
I also felt the Strap to flip up the rear seat cushion was something that could break pretty easily.
I was impressed with the relative ease of access to the third seat, but less so with the headroom back there (I'm 5'9").
I was disappointed that the center seat in the second row lacks the LATCH tethers for car seats. If you have two car seats with the second row bench their is now way for a person to enter the third row without removing a car seat. The two place second row would rectify that situation, but only if the center console is removable.
I also have to say, the non-split third row is the biggest disappointment - there's very little cargo room, and not being able to carry a combo of cargo and people is a drawback.
The Expedition corrects both of these last items, but the 'potential' for reliability issues makes it a question mark too.
Overall, it seems a very nice SUV. I'm just not sure I could look past the issues with the LATCH points and the third row.
Perhaps the QX-56 will solve that issue (granted for a lot more money).
2nd, the center console when equipped with captains chairs IS fully removable, and takes all of about 10 seconds to do so.
I think they were referring to the lower anchor points, of which I'm pretty sure there are none in the middle row-middle seat. The floor anchor is just for the top strap.. I noticed the lack of these as well as I have 2 Britax car seats I need to put in the back. The one plus I noticed, if you put one seat on each side, there is so much leg room in the Armada that you can still have a passenger get by the carseat and sit between the seats.
Now, if we could do something about that third row......hello, Mr. Lumberjack, can I borrow your chainsaw? :-)
http://www.car-safety.org/latch.html
If this shouldn't be posted.. Just let me know and I will remove, but it is s non-profit co. so it is not selling anything.
5Q. Why aren't LATCH lower anchors provided for the rear center seat?
A. Two pairs of LATCH lower anchors are required in the back seat of vehicles manufactured after September 1, 2002, and those anchors are required to be a specified distance apart for safety protection in a crash. Because of this required spacing between the lower anchorages, most vehicles do not have a rear seat that is wide enough to accommodate anchorages in the center seating position and in an adjacent outboard position. While lower anchorages are typically installed at outboard seating positions, most vehicles that have a center rear seating position without lower anchors also provide a top tether for additional safety benefit.
6Q. Can I use the two inboard lower anchors (of the outboard LATCH seating positions) to install my child seat in the rear center seating position?
A. No, unless both the child restraint manufacturer's instructions and the vehicle owner's manual specifically state that this is acceptable. A child restraint can be installed using the rear-center seat belt and, if forward-facing, the top tether anchor.
Vehicle manufacturers are only required to have 2 pairs of LATCH anchors. So, guess what, they only comply, not go above and beyond. I think that a vehicle with the width of an Armada should be able to accomodate a pair or anchor points for a middle seat. But, it's not mandated so why bother?
Steve, Host
PS-Pfarmada, I'd like to see yours it should be interesting.
I never talked price with the sales person, but after seeing that this dealer still has not sold a single one of the original Armada's they had received and that most of the Denver area Nissan dealers have 4 or 5 sitting on their lot not moving, they are trying to get some Armada's sold. I still think $1500.00 off of MSRP is too much on this new of a vehicle, so I am thinking of calling her tomorrow and offering $500.00 over invoice and seeing what kind of response I get. If they accept it I will make the purchase.
The reality is they are willing to deal on the Armada, at least in the Denver area, and I didn't even have to do the work.