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Dodge Magnum

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  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    sorry for not getting back sooner but have been so BUSY.
    They brought a red Magnum with the 5.7 Hemi. It was a very sharp looking car. Looked just like the concept of the SRT-8. I really liked this one. They also showed a base 300 with the 2.7 ?? and it had 17 inch tires & hubcaps-YUK . I liked the car but I would not order a 2.7 or the crappy 17's . Now if the car had chrome 20's like the Hemi C concept , oh yeah. Anyway I know I am a little biased but I like these cars . I think I will get one of these , but will wait to see what the Dodge sedan looks like ,Charger ??
    Well only 2 months left building the LH cars.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    otto,

    thanks for the report. did the base 300 look like the 300c concept...grill and all??
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    ottowrkr-

    Forgive the odd question, but they have 17" steel wheels and wheel covers on this thing? COOL! I'm in the hubcap business and I believe that's a first for passenger cars (the 2003 Dodge Ram 3500 Pickup was the first for trucks...it has 17" chrome wheel covers on steel wheels). Can you tell me what the hubcaps looked like? Were they cheap painted plastic ones, or something nice?

    -Andrew L
  • rusty104rusty104 Posts: 39
    Thanks Otto, did you get to sit in the Magnum - front and back? How were the seats? Was there plenty of room in front and back?

    Thanks for the correction emale, my friend at B&N thought I was nuts but now understands it was in the prev issue (which they dont have unfortunatly).
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    incedently, does anyone here know what is the price for a set of Ultra High Performance All-Season or High Performance All-Season 20" tires? And how many people will want to lay out over 1000 for a set? My Accord developed a blister recently, so the Mishlin tire was 180+8 balance+20warramty+tax -- over 200 bucks each. And that's 17" tire for Accord which is pretty much every second car on the road. Here you are talking about extremely large tire for an ultra-high performance engine mounted on a heavy car - be realistic, guys. I don't like the smallish wheels/tires, but this is a necessary trade-off. wheels - On my Subaru a 16" wheel is $270. I need two wheels now - thank to Major Bloomberg taxes are higher and roads - worse. Also, chrome wheels look good - but on Lincoln LS I leased for 2 years those beautiful chrome rusted through quickly on one of the wheels and was not in great shape on others. I washed them with all the proper stuff they sell in car stores.

    Otto, is there any chatter re. Charger (they have shown a while ago) or it's totally dead?
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    fsv-

    If you live in NYC, you should really consider getting a set of steel wheels for your Subaru, at least for winter use. I'm in North Jersey and the potholes are just unbelievable especially during the winter months. I love it, being in the hubcap business and all ;-) But those holes can really wreak havoc on large-diameter alloy wheels.

    Anyway, returning to the topic, I think 17" is plenty big enough for the Chrysler 300. Keep in mind that the standard Concorde and Grand Marquis have 16" wheels, and the standard LeSabre and Avalon have 15" wheels. So if the 300 has 17" standard, it will already be ahead of the competition if you like large wheels. I do hope, however, that they don't use regular gray plastic wheel covers on the 300. Considering the elegant styling of the car, it really deserves something with a little chrome or stainless steel. The 1994-96 LH New Yorker had really beautiful 16" stainless wheel covers on the standard model, and Chrysler later cheaped out and switched to the painted plastic ones.

    -Andrew L
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    Andrew, any Idea where I can get two 16" BBS Subaru alloy wheels cheaply - used, but good ones? Style is as per the link: http://subaru.com/servlet/research?track=shopleftnav_pa3&trim- =L_SEDAN_SE&model=LEGACY&command=photos

    I would have gotten steel wheels, but now I want to sell Subaru alltogether...
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    fsv-

    www.aaarims.com wants $198 each. My interchange book (which is a couple years old) shows these as $220 each new from Subaru, so as you can see there isn't much savings unless the Subaru price has gone up a lot recently. Replacement alloys can be tough to find at a good price. You might be able to do better if you poke around online for awhile. I sell only wheel covers and center caps, not wheels, so I'm not fully tuned in to the wheel market in terms of what kinds of prices you can find. Good luck.

    -Andrew L
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    I was looking for a good used one. should be around 75 bucks.

    Also, as an alternative to C300 a used Q45 or M45 from Infinity look very good. One offer more comfort, the other - sport.
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    yup the car looked just like the 300C without the big rims. As for the wheel covers sorry they were nothing special and I could not tell you what they looked like if I had to. All I know they did nothing for the car.
     No we could not sit in the cars , they were roped off , guess they figure the plant workers would wreck them ??? .
     The 300 with wheel covers had 17 inch rubber and the Magnum with the aluminum wheels had 18's, I hear a 20 inch rim will be available on the top of the line performance models.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    and "Chrysler 300N" conversations
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    Otto, it's middle of July - what's happening on the plant - when the first cars are rolling out?
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    we are still building the LH cars till Aug 28 . Then we shutdown for major retooling for the LX cars . I dont know if they have a date on when we start building pilot LX cars , but we were told the first sellable LX cars will not be built till late Jan 04 . Hope this helps
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Recently I saw a spot saying the base Chryslers would continue to use the 2.7 and the 3.5... Is that correct based on your understanding? Seems like an awful lot of car for the 2.7...
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    i agree jason. but, an article in automobile magazines quoted a chrysler engineer as saying the 2.7l and 3.5l deficiencys would be fixed. there has been talk of hemi heads for some of the v6 engines, but i'm not sure how that would work with overhead cams...?
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    That's interesting... I don't know that I'd consider the 2.7 or the 3.5 "deficient"....I just don't see how the 2.7 could ever produce reasonable power for a 3900 pound car...
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    yeah, if it were me, the smallest engine in the lx cars would be the 3.5l...2.7l just doesn't have enough low end grunt! also i'm a little surprised they aren't gonna use the 4.7l engine. i think that would be a great in-between powerplant (ie 3.5-5.7l).
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    "Tentative Launch Dates (JOB 1)

    Chrysler Sedan 300's
    Monday Feb. 2nd 2004

    Dodge Magnum
    Friday April 2nd 2004

    Dodge Sedan (Charger?)
    April 4th 2005

    There is a 30 to 45 day containment window on top of these dates
    just to make sure everything is O.K."

    Note that the Dodge sedan is not coming out till 4/05, presumably as an '06 model. Considering that the Dodge Intrepid goes out of production 8/03, that's a loooong time for Dodge dealers to wait for a new shipment of sedans!

    -Andrew L
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    with all the inventory sitting on all new car lots now, I wouldn't be worried for DC - good if they'll seel most of them to the time 300 shows up.
    BTW, some update from http://thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=6249&sid=178&am- p;n=158 - see the 300 on the way there.
    They say, engine choice will start from 3.5L V6. The car looks like some old model Mercedes.
    I start looking more and more on Q45 - at least it's not generic and derivative.
  • amadeus1amadeus1 Posts: 1
    I currently have a Chrysler 2004, 300M with approximately 2200 miles on it. After having a 2002 that was a lemon, I traded out of the '02 for the '04. Nothing wrong with the car, just not happy with the entire process or service via Chrysler. Any ideas on a fair trade-in value for this vehicle that isn't even listed in the Blue Book yet? Thanks...

    D.I.
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    You should have leased the car - Chrysler ownership could be disasteros (former Intrepid owner). Theoretically you shouldn't loose too much, but with the car prices now you could be in a tight spot. Dealers, to the best of my knowledge, don't go with KBB, I saw them using NADA, but Honda guys, for example, have their own book. You'll be better off visiting some dealership and try to talk them into looking in one of their little books...
  • rusty104rusty104 Posts: 39
    The Edmund's reviews of Chrysler radios have not been good. Does anyone know if they are being upgraded for the new models?
  • fsvfsv Posts: 196
    I didn't have problem with mine - was the only thing which didn't break on the car.
  • svevarsvevar Posts: 160
    While I haven't read all of Edmunds' reviews, I believe that they usually dislike only Chrysler's head units and find the sound quality to be pretty good. It actually annoys me how Edmunds reviewers find it necessary, in each and every Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep review, to complain about the complexity of using the presets on Chrysler's radios. Sure, theirs might be different than other manufacturers' systems, but does this make the Chrysler preset system bad? It seems pretty simple and logical to me.
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    You needn't be too surprised by this... Edmunds.com is no less free from bias--warranted or otherwise--than any other group. They seem to have some sort of axe to grind with Chrysler. The Intrepid test was replete with this. Just as you'll see dubious claims from posters in these boards.
  • svevarsvevar Posts: 160
    I also noticed strong anti-Chrysler bias in Edmunds' long-term Grand Caravan review. While it's arguable that Honda's Odyssey is a better van, most other automotive writers agree that Chrysler's is pretty damn good, too. But Edmunds could never stop talking about how expensive the Grand Caravan was, and they dwelled on the van's weaknesses while just briefly mentioning its strong points. And if I hear one more time about how "counter-intuitive" the preset system is...

    Getting back to rusty104's radio post, there is an article in the September issue of Car and Driver in which Patrick Bedard ponders the industry's move from traditional fender-mounted, mast-style radio antennae to more aesthetically pleasing, in-glass systems. The article states that with the in-glass systems, car-makers must make a trade-off between sound quality and weak-station performance. GM tends to handle weak stations well, whereas Chrysler and BMW concern themselves with sound quality under optimal radio signal conditions. This explains the common complaint among Chrysler owners on Edmunds that their radio reception is sometimes poor.
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Good observations... Again, Edmunds isn't the only industry media that seems to do this, witness Consumer Reports, etc.etc... It's surprising too how blatantly it manifests. My favorites are the minivan "kvetching" you mentioned and harping on the Intrepid's styling (a.k.a. the "squished whale" fallacy). The Intrepid and the Concorde were routinely honored for their styling when they debuted in late 1997/early 1998. C & D, Motor Trend, Autoweek etc. all raved about it and continue to mention how well it "stands up" 5 years later.
        So, low and behold, when Edmunds can't find so much to complain about in the long-term test suddenly the "squished whale" styling issue emerges. You can almost hear the gears turning..."well damn it didn't fall apart like we had hoped, and the transmission didn't break like they do on ALL Chryslers (wink). In fact it had some of the lowest maintenance cost of any long-termer....what CAN we pick on???"
          I rarely listen to my radio, using my 4 disk CD changer instead. When I have I don't have any qualms about reception in my Trep'--however, I do notice an occasional harmonic buzz in my speakers..
  • svevarsvevar Posts: 160
    I'd written off Consumer Reports so long ago I forgot about its tremendous biases. If I recall correctly, they once recommended a Hyundai Sonata over a Chrysler Sebring sedan. At least the 300M and other LH models are "recommended," though CR never really seems to have anything good to say about them.

    With the recent Ram, Pacifica, and Crossfire introductions, Chrysler has begun to receive the respect it deserves from the majority of automotive journalists. Let's hope this continues with the `04 Durango, `05 LX's, and so on.
  • but i wish daimler chrysler had kept the twin circular front headlight design and solid red rear lamp design from the concept vehicle. with its cost-cutting one piece mirrored front headlight assembly, the production magnum looks a lot less menacing. still, i think it's a pretty good looking wagon. it looks like it'll come down to a test drive of the Dodge Magnum SST with all wheel drive and the new Subaru Legacy GT Turbo with all wheel drive. Either way, I think i'll be one happy guy on the way up to Whistler. Snowboarding, anyone?
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    Dodge Magnum SST ?. The Magnum will come as SXT or RT .Then down the road will come the SRT-8 option, 6.1 Hemi power .
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