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2013 and Earlier - Mazda6 Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • pegasus17pegasus17 Posts: 536
    ref:2341
    Ridiculous, hardly. My opinion - yes. Consider that 24.5 plus TTL will probably be closer to 26.5k otd. The risk is that the older model (gen 2) will not hold its value well now that that gen3 model (2014) is out and the price on it is very competitive. I was at my local dealer yesterday and looked at both the 2013 and 2014 models. I sat in the 2013 s grand touring (33k) on the showroom floor while the 2014 Sport (23.3k) was retrieved from the back lot. I admit that the s grand touring is STILL a lot of car for the money. Would i buy that 2 year old model - no. Someone else might, but they should know what they are getting in to. The 2013 is going for 5-6k off sticker now. Next month, who knows.
  • Tested the 2014 Mazda 6 Sport AT. Very impressed with the performance for a 4 cyl. with almost the torque of a V-6. Handling rocked (of course). Ride was not bad considering the feedback, would stay with the 17" tires. Above average wind noise on the freeway (it was very windy) and the sight lines were not great, including the mirrors. Really like the touch screen/HD radio, far better than the Ford Touch. Still a top if not the best contender in this segment. Rock on Mazda.
    Just drove the 2013 Accord LX 4 cyl. Pleasantly surprised at the handling. Motor was decent but not as responsive as the 6's 2.5, CVT was a little weird but far better than the Altima 2.5. Quieter than the Mazda but still looks like a grocery getter.
    I won't touch a Fusion with all the early transmission issues and Ford's reluctance to fix them.
    Passat, under powered and worse MPG. Needs update to keep up.
    Still shopping....
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Posts: 536
    ref: 2343
    I am in a similar situation. Too many choices; lease up in 2 months. Have you considered the Kia Optima LX with Convenience PLUS pkg (msrp 23.3k). good incentives and discounts can be had.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,039
    You have to add TTL with any car be it used, two year old new or brand new model so it's really not a factor except that he would be paying taxes on a lot less of a sale price. Mazda gen 1 didn't do bad when the gen 2 came out regards to holding value. I have a gen 1 and the value is not bad at all considering what I paid for it. A 2014 will depreciate $5000 as soon as you drive it home and you will be paying TTL on a lot higher price. If a car is kept for a long time that $10 grand off purchase price will be huge. IMO it's a great deal. Could he MAYBE get a few extra hundred with some work, possibly. But to walk in and get the $10k off with no hassle is a very good deal. Especially if that is exactly the car that someone wants in the first place.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 796
    If I buy the 2012 s GT, I plan to keep it for at least five years. At that point, depreciation isn't a major factor. I will only be financing $12-$15k for no more than 48 months, so negative equity will never be an issue.

    I plan to make a down of payment of $11k-$14k, depending on whether or not I accept a very generous offer from my mom and step-dad. Instead of trading-in my 2006 Mazda3, I am giving it to my nephew who gets his learner's permit in a few months. I struggled with the idea of "giving" a teenager a free car...but I'm giving it to with several requirements (or "strings" if you prefer)-

    He must maintain at least a "B" average overall until graduation.
    He must pay for his own insurance, gas and scheduled maintenance.
    If he has an at-fault accident or gets ticketed for a moving violation prior to his 18th birthday, he loses the car until he turns 18.

    Considering the fact that he's in Advanced Placement and has an A+ in all classes, the grade requirement is a non-issue. Since he won't have a car payment, requiring him to pay for the vehicle's operating expenses (insurance, maintenance, gas) is more than reasonable and will teach him discipline and responsibility.

    I debated whether I should also make him pay for wear-and-tear items- tires, brakes, etc. But I couldn't live with myself if he ended up having an accident because he was driving on slick tires or bad brakes...I told his parents (my sister and bro-in-law) that we'll deal with those expenses as they arise...translation= Uncle Jason (me) will pay for them...although my parents have committed to paying half of any expenses that I end up covering.

    My parents are also insisting on paying me for at least half the value of the car. It's worth over $7k, so they want to give me $3500 toward the value. I have $10k ear-marked for my down payment, but I'll put down $13,500 if I take the money from the folks....

    At the quoted price of $24,495, my OTD total would be $26,030. I would only need to finance $12,500.

    I just decided to send the dealer an email making an offer of $23,500 for the 2012. Actually, I offered $24,975 OTD which is $23,500 plus 6% sales tax and $66 for tag and title fees. For some reason, car dealers aren't very good at math...they might accept an offer of $23,500 for a car, but the OTD price ends up $1000 more than when I calculate it! =/
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Posts: 536
    I hope they accept or at least make a compromise offer slightly lower than your original quote. Given you expect to keep the car for 5 years, the deal sounds better than i first thought. Make sure the V-6 doesn't require premium gas (I'm not sure). I'm sure you know this but you can "give" the kid the car tax-free as long as the value is less than 13k. Today being the last day of the month might sway them to deal a bit more. Good luck and enjoy...
  • I have looked at KIA but I have reservations. The better half drives a 2011 Sonata turbo (somewhat shared platform/same motors etc) and it has been back to the dealership for many issues. Front end pull (FINALLY replaced both struts) paint chipping off (partially re-painted) and numerous other gripes. The Optima has no spare tire and read numerous owners not getting the advertised MPG and paint issues. That being said I am passing on the Korean cars.
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Posts: 536
    REF: 2348
    I am surprised by the amount of issues you've had with the 2011 Sonata Turbo. i knew about the front end pull issue from the hyundai forum. But paint and numerous other gripes are not good. i drive a 2011 Sonata GLS (mfg: March 2010) with only 18k miles and my lease ends in 2 months. If i can't find a deal on a similar mid-size sedan, I am considering keeping the Sonata for another year or two (5 year warranty on most major items). Can you expound on your other gripes - i am curious?
    FWIW, I sat in a 2014 mazda 6 yesterday and was very impressed. The only thing that sux is you can only get a manual driver seat in the lower-end Sport model. It did have height adjustment but it wasn't easy to pump.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 796
    It’s amazing how much things can change in just one day!

    I emailed the Internet Sales Rep yesterday around 11am and made an lower offer than their ‘sale’ price. Their price was $24,495 ($24,995 actually, but since I currently own a 2006 Mazda3, I get the $500 Loyalty Incentive. My offer was for $23,500 and I was hoping they’d counter with $24,000, which would have acceptable to me….

    I didn’t hear back all afternoon and I put it on the backburner. I had plans to meet two of my friends for an early dinner and met them around 6pm. I told them about my pending auto purchase plans and they wanted to see the car. So we cut dinner short and set out for the 30-minute drive into the abyss of South Atlanta!

    I pointed them in the direction of the car and went into the showroom to seer if the my sales rep was still there. He was already gone for the day, so I asked to speak to the Sales Manager. Eventually, this morbidly obese, unshaven blob of a man slowly wobbled in my direction. It was 8pm on a Thursday, but that was still no excuse for his hideous, wrinkled “dress” shirt to be partially untucked from his equally hideous polyester slacks. His physical appearance and the miserable expression on his face made me start to wonder if this was the sort of dealer I wanted to do business with….

    Over the next five minutes or so, he was incredibly rude and told me the $24,495 was a take-it or leave-it price!!! I pointed out, in a sarcastic tone that was completely appropriate considering how PISSED OFF I was! If the brief moment of blurred vision, tightness in my chest and shortness of breath were any indication, my blood pressure had to be well into stroke/aneurism territory thanks to that nasty little troll of a man. I tried to avoid swearing, because screaming profanity and making a scene in public makes you look like trailer trash, no matter how justified you are…but as I walked away and kicked the glass door open hard enough to make it slam against the glass window and almost break, he made some sort of loud and rude comment, so I made him a couple of one-finger hand-puppets, if you know what I mean!

    We got back into the car to leave and, as I buckled up and the headlights came on, I noticed Krispy Kreme (the troll) standing in the window right in front of me! For a split-second, I thought about creating a drive-thru for their showroom…but I was driving my mom’s new Mazda CX-9 and hitting him would likely total it,……what a jerk, though…and he isn’t off the hook, but I want my new car first.;……

    Part 2 of the saga will be posted below very shortly!
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 796
    edited February 2013
    Friday morning, I took my mom’s CX-9 to the dealership where she bought it for a warranty repair (gasket protruding from side of headlight assembly, minor cosmetic issue) and to have the pinstriping re-done on the rear quarter panel. It was also time for her first oil change and they owed us a final detailing because it didn’t get one the night we bought it because it was so late.

    I really like their Internet Sales Manager and he was coordinating a loaner car for me since it would take 6-7 hours to; finish her car. I called him when I was about 30 minutes away and he told me they had three loaners to choose from- a bright green Mazda2, a baby blue Mazda2 or a silver Mazda5. I chuckled and, after a moment of silence, told him I was waiting for the punch line….but it wasn’t a joke! Since I’m probably bigger than a Mazda2, I told him I’d take the Mazda5 if that was the only other choice.

    Then I started telling him about my experience with the jerk from the night before. He asked me why I hadn’t contacted him about buying a Mazda6. I told him that I checked out his inventory and it was almost all 'i' Sport models and a handful of Touring and Touring Plus, but no s Grand Touring. He told me he would start trying to locate one for me and see if he could do a dealer trade, then he’d let me know and quote a price. I wasn’t holding my breath, but told him to go for it.

    Since I was shopping for a Mazda6, he pulled a 2013 Mazda6 'i' Touring Plus from inventory to use as my loaner for the day. It was Autumn Bronze, the last color I’d choose, but beggars can’t be choosers.

    After I had spent a few hours with the car, I started thinking that the 2.5L/5AT was more than adequate and was much more practical than the 3.7L V6 in the ‘s’ model. So I called my guy and asked him to start looking for an 'i' Grand Touring w/ Technology Package instead. He called me back barely an hour later and had found one in Fireglow Red (my first choice, which I wasn’t going to get in an s model) with Beige interior. It was located in Jacksonville, Florida which is about six hours away from Atlanta. The sticker price was $30,530 and he could sell it to me for $23,656 plus TTT ($25,141 OTD).

    I told him I’d take it and would put a deposit down on it when I returned that evening to pick up my mom’s CX-9 and return the loaner. When I returned around 7pm, he told me that all was well with the trade except it would be late next week before the car would arrive due to logistics and the distance involved. He also said there would be a cost to cover the expense of the trade, probably around $400. I wasn’t thrilled with the wait, but understood the expense of paying someone to drive round-trip and fueling the cars.

    I called him back this morning and told him I would drive down there and make the swap on Monday. He checked with his boss and he had no problem with it. So I’m picking up the car to drive down tomorrow afternoon and leaving around 5am on Monday morning and I’ll be driving my brand new 2013 Mazda6 'i' Grand Touring back home!!! They said I could wait until Tuesday evening, after work, to come back and finalize all the paperwork to actually purchase the car.

    I didn’t realize this until yesterday, but the 2013 'i' Touring Plus and 'i' Grand Touring have the 18” wheels that were previously used only on the ‘s’ Grand Touring! It makes a big difference in the car’s appearance, especially from the side view. The only tip-off that it’s not an ‘s’ model is the tailpipe. But I can live without the cool looking dual exhaust to save a few thousand bucks and get another 3-4mpg!!!

    I’m very excited, especially since I had given up on getting one in Fireglow Red and it was my first color choice by far! So, I'm paying $23,656 for a car with a sticker price of $30,530- a discount of $6,854. I think it's a SWEET deal....what do you guys think???
  • That is a super low price for an absolutely great car.
    ! paid over 30,000 dollars fro my 2010 Mazda GTi in fire red with beige leather interior.
    A stunningly good looking car that is now over 3 years old with 36,000 miles on it.
    I drove it to Calif from Dallas, and overall mileage was above 32 mpg,,,and I drove fast.
    What a safe road car it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The 2.5 litre 4 cyl motor has PLENTY of power,,,, and my gas mileage was above 32 mpg.

    I use the MAZDA customer website to log in all my oil changes, tire rotations, etc.
    Never had to do anything to the car, but required maintenance and tire rotation.

    You will have the same with yours.
  • somber1girlsomber1girl Posts: 2
    edited February 2013
    I have been waiting for a red 2014 Mazda 6 Grand Touring to get to the dealership here for almost a month now. They finally got one in yesterday so I went to make a deal on it. I am a Mazda girl through & through and love the car. My problem now is that the payment on the lease seems ridiculously high compared to my past Mazda 6 leases. The one they got in is almost the highest price you can get--$32140--in this area (Utah) because of the forward cruise control thing and factory paint shield. They are willing to give me about $1000 off MSRP which is supposedly a big discount for this new car right now. The residual is suppose to be 61% but they are still quoting me a payment of almost $500 for a 3 year lease and $450 range for 4 year with only 10k miles/yr (52% residual). What the heck?! The price is almost exactly what I paid when I leased my 2009 Mazda 6. My payment on that for a 3 year/15000 mi lease was only $378/mo. Any ideas on why this might be? Am I being hit with extra fees that I'm not aware of?? Any help would be appreciated!
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Posts: 536
    edited February 2013
    REF: 2353
    It'a probably a little bit of everything. Price, fees, terms. Ask for a breakdown of the costs that include the following:
    msrp, sell price, money factor, residual %, acq fee (595), doc fee (completely optional in Utah), tax rate on leases. Then wait for a response from one of us geeks or use this easy online lease calculator:
    http://www.leaseguide.com/calc.htm

    Do not jump on a BAD deal just because you love this new car! As many have said, a car is just a commodity. tons of them out there...

    http://blog.truecar.com/2011/07/26/which-additional-fees-should-i-pay-at-the-dea- lership-what-is-the-doc-fee/#comment-53152
  • $1K off MSRP isn't enough to lower the price to what you are looking for. The money factor through Chase Bank is also a bit high right now, 0.00168. Are you doing any cap cost reduction? Hopefully not, even though it means a higher monthly payment.
  • somber1girlsomber1girl Posts: 2
    edited February 2013
    I was hoping to put as little down as possible, so only planned on $1000 max out of pocket.
    Are there any other ways to try to get the payments lower?
    My biggest issue is just the fact that in numbers, the 2014 has a higher residual value than the 2009 mazda I bought so seemingly should be lower payments. I am completely confused as to why the payments are almost $100 more compared to the previous payment I had.
    I don't know all the exact numbers to put into the lease calculator thing from the previous response, but when I estimate, it still seems like lower numbers than the dealership is quoting me. I also feel that I am in a no-win situation, as I put down a $500 deposit with the dealership already and am now having issues trying to work out a deal with them. Perhaps I don't have much chance because I showed I was too serious by putting a deposit down?
  • romil01romil01 Posts: 75
    edited February 2013
    Normally, deposits are refundable by the dealer, so if you can't get the price down to where you it, I'm fairly certain the dealer has to give your money back. Have you tried getting quotes from multiple dealers? Not sure where you are in UT.

    Without the breakdown of the fees or knowing the total cap cost the lease is based on, it's impossible to tell why your payments would be that high. Brand new models are generally high in demand, so getting a great deal will be tough.

    I used a lease calculator to figure out the monthly payment on a Grand Touring with an MSRP of $31,965 (pretty close to the one you are looking at). The invoice price off of Edmunds is $30,060. For a 36-month, 15K/year lease, with NV sales tax included, the monthly payment would be $416 with a 60% residual and 0.00168 money factor (using the invoice price as the net cap cost). Of course, this is assuming zero drive off, no fees included in the price, and using the invoice as the selling price, which isn't realistic. So in reality, I don't think $500/month is too far off base for this car right now.

    The funny thing is, I got a quote last month for a 24 month lease, 15K/year miles on a $63,000 2013 Mercedes Benz E Class for only $615/month...not bad for a car that's double the price...lots of incentives though.
  • huskerfan5huskerfan5 Posts: 163
    edited September 2003
    Your calculator isn't lying. If that car has a 61% residual, the capitalized cost on that lease agreement will show that the dealer is getting more than MSRP on the car. You'd have a nice selection of luxury cars with MSRPs over $40K for $500 a month. I recently negotiated my brother's Volvo S60 AWD with lots of options for $410 + tax with nothing else out of pocket. The MSRP was $41K.
  • She had the collapsed PCV hose which causes gas fumes in the interior. Non retracting seat belt. The battery was dead last weekend, had it tested and it still had 560 of the 600 CCA's it's rated for. Out of warranty, so I cleaned the posts/terminals and slow charged it overnight. So far so good.
    She has had it in for a couple others things, can't recall what they were.
    Neither of us are that particular and over all the car has been good, she already has 70,000 miles on it. Still the front end and paint issues have soured me on the brand, especially for the amount of trips to the dealership it took to resolve them.
  • I am currently negotiating a new Mazda 2014 Grand Touring with my local dealership. The dealership is telling me in order to receive the Mazda loyalty discount ($1,000) I have to finance the car through Mazda-Chase with a 3.9% rate, non-negotiable. The Mazda-Chase finance site says the current finance rate for the Mazda 2014 for 60 months is 2.9%. Does anyone else know if this is nationwide or only the local dealerships setting the finance rate? Thanks for any assistance provided.
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Posts: 536
    edited February 2013
    from mazda site:
    "*2014 Mazda6 Exclusive Owner Appreciation Reward provides $1,000 for current Mazda owners who purchase or lease a new 2014 Mazda6 through Mazda Capital Services. The Reward CANNOT be combined with other private offers but CAN be combined with other public purchase incentives including, but not limited to, customer cash back, lease and APR incentives/offers. Proof of eligibility and residency required. Must present dealer with a copy of current registration or title, driver's license or other proof of residency at time of purchase. The offer is transferable within the owner's household (buyer must live at the same address). The 2014 Mazda6 Exclusive Owner Appreciation Reward $1,000 has no cash value and must be applied to the purchase or lease structure as a capital cost reduction. Program period is 1/15/2013–4/1/2013. See participating dealer for complete details."

    Rate depends on your credit score and history. I doubt someone with a recent bankruptcy, or the like, would qualify for 2.9%; think about it...
  • 2014 MAZDA6 Grand Touring i Soul Red w/ Black Leather

    I in the market for a new car and it seems like this one here has all the bells and whistles, but was wondering if I can get any input about the quote.

    including that MRCC AND FOW PACKAGE. OTD = $32,580
  • I did some research but would like some feedback to see if this a good deal.
  • My .02
    I never BUY a new car in its first model year. The complexity of these cars today does not exclude the possibility of "growing pains" in the first year. You might want to consider leasing it BUT the current Mazda Capital Services terms are not very good. When supplies are short, prices will not be good. If you can, I'd wait a few months to see if incentives pop up. GL
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    hi folks,went with my girlfriend this morning to check out a 2014 mazda 6 i-sport in auto.she's tradeing in her 2013 elantra against my advice because she simply loves the styling on the new mazda 6..msrp was $23,365.00 and included standard features with no options.she has more options in her elantra that the mazda 6 doesn't have such as illuminated window switches at night,lighted visor mirrors,sat radio,fog lights,slideing arm-rest,and illuminated ignition,and heated seats..but it's her money...anyway,quoted price from dealer on this car was $19,000.00 from msrp of $23,365.00...and they are giveing her $17,000.00 on her 2013 elantra which ain't bad from the $18,000.00 she paid for it last summer....she's going to take the usual day or two to think it over while iam going to continue to try and talk her out of it.....
  • trusso69trusso69 Posts: 68
    edited March 2013
    what are you smoking?
    Are you saying that for about 2k she can trade up from the elantra to the "6"; i don't think so.
    Post real deals, not bs crap. 19k for the new mazda 6 is a pipe dream...post the dealer name and location if you are serious
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,039
    Yeah, that Mazda dealer must have really wanted that Elantra bad! LOL.
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    it's a done deal and she picks up the car tomorow..here are the details.....2014 mazda 6 I-sport with auto tranny and standard features..msrp is $23,365.00 and the final negotiated cash price(no finance) is $19600.00 plus 899.00 dealer fee and TTT...she's done alot of buisness with this dealership in the past..1 mazda protoge and 2 mazda 3's so thats why she got a good deal although i feel the dealer fee is a little high...trade-in for here 2013 elantra was $16,700.00..dealer is gunther mazda-kia-VW in ft.laud fla and the internet salesman she worked with was tony incase anyone is interested in a car...she gets 100 bucks for any sales made that she refers to them......
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,039
    plus 899.00 dealer fee

    There's the rub. That's huge. Dealer fee in IL is limited by state law at $161 or something like that. Still a great deal though on a brand new car that has just hit the lots. Seems a shame though that Mazda is already discounting what appears to be a great car in just about all respects and a leader IMO in the midsize sedans at this point in time.
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    we just got home from picking this new 2014 mazda 6 up from the dealer this morning.my G/F let me drove it home from the dealer before dropping me off at work.my initial impressions after driveing this car about 10 miles from the dealer to my work are as follows..this car handle's like it's on rails and there is plenty of power from the 184 hp engine.road noise on the highway this morning wasn't bad but i felt that the elantra she traded in was alot quieter.lots of room inside and the trunk is big enough...will give more updates as we progress with the car down the road....even though the new mazda 6 is a big improvement over the last version 6 i still don't feel that it will sell like it's competetion such as the camry,accord,fusion,malibu,ect..this is probably why we got a good deal.the salesman admited to us that his dealership sells way more mazda 3 than mazda 6 and they have a bunch of leftover 2013 mazda 6's sitting on the lot...i counted atleast 25 while walking around the lot....
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,039
    edited March 2013
    ....even though the new mazda 6 is a big improvement over the last version 6 i still don't feel that it will sell like it's competetion such as the camry,accord,fusion,malibu,ect.

    Congrats on the car. I sat in one at the Chicago auto show and was impressed with the quality of the switches and dials(better than on my 2007), styling and specs.

    Keep in mind that Mazda is 1/10th(that's a guess but probably close) the size company as Toyota and many of the rest you mention so nobody ever expects Mazda to be in that league of sales. Doesn't change the quality of the car, just means you see a few less. I look at it this way. If they were to suffer a major recall for some reason it would affect their bottom line to a greater degree than a much larger company. I like to think that they are more careful in their engineering and quality control to avoid such a disaster. Toyota can afford something like that, Mazda really would be hurting.

    Yeah, the 3 is their bread and butter but the CX-5 has been selling like hot cakes and probably has a good profit margin like most Suvs/Cuvs which is good for Mazda. I still don't understand why I haven't seen any ads for the new 6. Maybe supply from Japan is in such short supply that they are afraid to advertise it much until they build up some inventory or get rid of the 2013s. Come to think of it that may be the main reason....old stock and maybe a lack of advertising money. They have to meter out the dollars a lot more judiciously than some of the bigger companies.

    Good luck with your new zoom-zoom.
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