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  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Just because I need the 5 door and I have had a pretty good history of reliability in my Mazda products. AS far as why Mazda isn't gonna challenge HondYota it's all in the history. You can't beat the Civic with 350,000 sales a year for the past few years. Especially when Honda sells less than 3% to fleets. That much word-of-mouth will trump any marketing or anything out there. When the highest selling version of the Civic is the LX it goes to show you that power and handling are low on the priority list in this segment. Disc brakes and a 140hp engine ain't gonna cut it.

    The reason I buy Mazda is the fact I owned a RX7 that was good to me and I'm familiar with them. It's the Mazdas that were built 2-5 years ago that are going to create the most customers for Mazda. And with those dreaded auto 626's out there, things don't look all that promising. Now the Protege with the 1.8L...That's a gem.
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    Out of curiosity, why the Mazda3 over the Mazda6 hatch? If I remember correctly from the Mazda6 board, you were quite interested in that.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    You know the 93-97 626 I see alot of on highways all the time. If they were so bad why are so many still out there still running? That always got me. One time I mistaked the 93-97 626 for a Lexus and it sort of looks like a cheaper version of a Lexus on the exterior(I'm thinking it looks like a cheaper version of the mid 90's Lexus GS300.)

    About the Civic if Ford hadn't messed up the Focus it would have probably outsold the Civic. I liked the Civic back in the mid to late 90's. The new ones are ok but auto magazines really weren't that enthusiastic about the 01+ Civic.

    Abou the 3 hatch it looks great in the back but the front of it spoils the whole cars look.

    About the whole Ford thing why do so many people buy Ford's if they their quality is bad?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "About the Civic if Ford hadn't messed up the Focus it would have probably outsold the Civic...About the whole Ford thing why do so many people buy Ford's if they their quality is bad?"

    The N.A. Focus sold more than it should, 'cause the consumers had a false security that Ford compacts have been ok in reliability for several years after the Protege-design took over the American Escort during the '90's. The real name of this 323-based Escort/Tracer body style is suppose to be Ford Laser, also built in Japan by Mazda. So the introduction of the Euro-designed Focus in America was a sudden death trap.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    "About the whole Ford thing why do so many people buy Ford's if they their quality is bad?"

    My theory is that some people want to buy "American" so they will buy a car from one of the Big 3. Take a look at the sales last month. Compare the Ford Escape to the Mazda Tribute.

    Ford Escape 16,168

    Mazda Tribute 5,657

    Also worth noting, the Mazda appears to have bigger rebates on the Tribute compared to the Escape. Also some of this can be credited to a typical SUV shopper would go to a Ford dealer first over a Mazda dealer since Ford dealerships have more SUV's to look at and test drive, etc. Tributes and Escapes are pretty much the same right? So unless the person just doesn't know they're almost the same car, why wouldn't they get a Tribute with bigger rebates and probably can negotiate a better deal since they're slower sellers? Also look at the Mazda Truck and Ford Ranger. The Mazda has a slightly better rebate also.

    Ford Ranger 19,179

    Mazda Truck 1,422

    Also the same time a year ago, the Ranger sold 27,558 and the Mazda sold 2,069. This kind of goes back to what I said in an earlier post. If people were to look at a Mazda3 as just another Ford and as a Ford Focus clone that would not be good at all. If someone wanted a Focus they'll buy the Focus at a cheaper price compared to the Mazda3. Sure we know better, but does the average customer know better?
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    "AS far as why Mazda isn't gonna challenge HondYota it's all in the history. You can't beat the Civic with 350,000 sales a year for the past few years. Especially when Honda sells less than 3% to fleets. That much word-of-mouth will trump any marketing or anything out there. When the highest selling version of the Civic is the LX it goes to show you that power and handling are low on the priority list in this segment. Disc brakes and a 140hp engine ain't gonna cut it."

    I agree. But I do think they have to target the Civic and Corolla anyway, even though they have no chance in beating them in sales. Why do so many people buy those cars? Because they're looked at as reliable. People simply don't care what kind of chassis the car is on. As long as they can put a decent interior and exterior on the car they will sell with no problem. Mazda can offer a better chassis, better exterior and interior and everything else and they simply won't sell as much. Why? Because they never even consider the Mazda or it's simply another Ford. They can win some sales by getting the product out there and having people try it. If the reliability holds up then that's some good word of mouth.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Because I love the design. I grew up on smaller cars like Civics and Corolla hatches. And one of my favorites was a 1987 Civic wagon. Don't ask me why. But the Mazda seems like it will take me back there. I would have a Protege5 if it weren't for that awful 2.0 engine.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Shall I say "Welcome Back!"??? :)

    So will you get rid if the Dodge or Accord?

    Dinu
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    The 88-91 Civic wagon was cool looking. The 84 Civic Wagon was cool looking which exterior design probably lasted until 87. The current SI I don't like.

    As for Mazda with Ford I just thought it was the auto tranny's in the mid 90's that hurt Mazda's reputation alot not the rebadged Ford pick-ups that hurt their repuatation. Mazda really didn't really sell alot of B-Series cabs in the 80's. Was Mazda heavily associated with Ford before 1994 I wonder though.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "My theory is that some people want to buy "American" so they will buy a car from one of the Big 3."

    The Focus is built in N.A., but it's not really an American car at all, design-wise & engineering-wise. A Mazda3 or a cosmetically-different version can be rebadged as a Ford, just like the Mazda B2000 pickup imported from Japan was rebadged as Ford Courier.

    "But I do think they have to target the Civic and Corolla anyway, even though they have no chance in beating them in sales. Why do so many people buy those cars? Because they're looked at as reliable."

    Most people are cheapskates. From the people I talked to, they know most Japanese cars are reliable anyway, but the resale value is what determines which car to get. So they rather sacrifice driving fun for the rest of their life & live boring. I do believe Mazda's noisier fwy cruising hurts the resale value in America, however.

    I'm a cheapskate, too. But I don't care. Resale value won't happen until sometime in the future when I sell the car. But my entertaining '90 Mazda Protege LX w/ Gabriel struts is also comfortably riding & lasting forever, I don't even have to sell it. Even if I will sell it eventually, what's the big difference b/t a $500 Protege & a $1000 Corolla? That $500 is well worth the fun for way over a decade.

    The car I'm selling is the '98 Corolla LE 5-sp. Despite quiet for a small car, the boring steering/handling & shallow uncomfortable ride make me want to get rid of it early & therefore wastes even more $ than my worse-resale Mazda.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    On the Civic and Corolla the those have really been 2 different cars over the last two decades in change. The Civic has always had a younger audience than the Corolla. Even with the sport package on the 03 Corolla its not winning any young buyers. On the Protege the Protege has never had the attention of young buyers like the Civic has had in the past. Not alot of young people bought the Protege(1990-1998 because it wasn't appealing to a young audience.) Finally in 2001 Mazda realased the Pro 5 in the US which appealed to youth buyers. Even on a used car list that I saw they said the Protege is reliable but doesn't have anything to make it stand out.

    About resale value if you are going to keep a car for 3-4 years you mine as well just lease if you don't travel alot of miles. Its not worthed to buy a car under the circumstances that I just mentioned. If you plan on keeping a car 5 years resale might be a factor in making a car buying decision. Than again 5 years is when all cars depreciate 50% from their orginal purchase value. 6 or more years of owning a car resale isn't a factor in my opinion. Some people buy a car every 2 years and take the heavy hit on losing money on a trade-in which isn't always smart.

    On the reliability front Mazda does get good marks from Counsumer Reports. The 90 day surveys they don't do well in where as the Domestic Big 3 do good in those surveys but 90 days to own a car isn't enough to judge a cars reliability as we all know.

    On Mazda sales Mazda sales have been down because the 626 was in its last year of body style last year so Mazda sales were down. This year the Protege is in its last year of body style and the 6 got off to a bad start sales wise in the beginning of this year. Thats why Mazda sales are down. With the whole RX-8 HP thing that will hurt Mazda sales more. I wonder if Mazda has to deduct some of their units sold of RX-8 from the year total sales so far if some RX-8's are returned to dealers.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    We are getting rid of the Dodge and the Accord for an 04 Element EX 5 speed. Then after the Mazda3 5 door comes out we'll get rid of the GS300 for it. I'll still have the LS400. And I figure after the kid turns 5 or so the G35 coupes will be getting just about ready to get cheap. If the gas isn't too expensive by then.

    That is if we keep the household population down to 3.
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    OK, I've seen these for 2 weeks now but I didn't want to get in trouble like when I presented the specs/options packaging. However, it's now been leaked.

    http://www.autoweek.nl/forum/read.php?f=4&i=56005&t=56005
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    That's one good looking car!!!

    Hopefully mazda NA will not do anything stupid to change the design too much.

    Dinu

    PS: WOW! This looks good! Sorry, I just can't get over it :)
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Your past heroic attempts really earned respect from us!

    The non-sport front end looks good in silver as if all the powerful lines integrated well w/ a V-shape theme. Maybe this is my choice.

    The sport-grill front end also looks good in grey, but not in blue, which looks PT Cruiser-ish.

    The sedan's short rear deck, although may look a little "compact-cheap", seems like it's design to compete w/ the upcoming BMW 1-series. In other words, this is the future BMW looks. So BMW will be accused of imitating Mazda. Watch out Mazda, the 2005 4-cyl BMW 1-series(w/ the 4-dr sedan being built here in Carolina planned) might cost only $22k. Just like the later-introduced Euro Accord(Acura TSX) seems to be copying the Mazda6, although it was Mazda that followed Honda's grill shape.

    That VW interior must be the future Golf/Jetta's, as hinted by the new-A3-ish "handles at the base of the dash". This time, VW no longer followed the idiotic "piling from the bottom" dash-center layout as "pioneered" by the the Audi A4. Neither is the intelligent Mazda3's "A4-style" dashboard doing the same. This time VW still seem less intelligently designed than the Mazda3. The big screen isn't set high enough like the Mazda3's pop up unit so the driver can see the road while reading it. The center of the instrument is occupied by the warning screen that keeps the 2 main gauges wide apart from each other, making the driver doing the frequent reading of the 2 main gauges together less easily at a glance.

    The Mazda3 only got black or beige interior? That sucks. Give me grey, stone green, or som'in classy as seen in the Lexus & old VW/Audi. Of the few choices, I dislike the blue/black the least.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Another thing I don't like about this VW's design is the high center-vents location. Only a low location as found in the old Rabbit can blow straight through your right sweating palm then to your face. So the Mazda3's is slightly better located than this new VW's.
  • drumm01drumm01 Posts: 97
    I cannot thank you enough...

    Okay, NOW I am impress with the 3
  • drumm01drumm01 Posts: 97
    .... VERY impressed. The sedan looks terrific in my opinion. VEry Europeean. One can notice a few parts of the M6 in this car. The shifting gear looks very similar to the 6, and well as the center console armrest.

    Only one exhaust pipe? Will it come in leather?
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    creakid1:

    For Canadian-spec anyways, the only interior combinations are: black, beige, and sport-type (black/blue or black/red). And of course, the interior colour is dependant upon the exterior colour and trim level.

    drumm01:

    Yes, only one exhaust pipe. The Mazda6 isn't a true dual exhaust system anyways (it's an X-type).

    Leather is available, but it's black only (not two-tone like the sport cloth).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,886
    I'm with dinu. That is SWEEET lookin!

    I am taken with the wagon. Yeah, some aspects look like a few of the X-overs of other companies, but it will, of course, be much smaller, and the front end gives it a distinct look. I am in LOVE. :)

    If its quick enough and I can fit comfortably in it (i.e., power seat to fit my 6'5" frame), then I will be taking a long hard look at this when it hits here (hopefully unchanged).

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

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