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  • zaimonzaimon Posts: 124
    AWD on the Mazda3 would be more than enough to convince to wait a year (maybe 2) to buy a new car.

    Offering optional AWD throughout their mainstream lineup would place Mazda in a market where there aren't many players but where there is significant demand; when Audi charges a premium for Quattro and many find Subaru styling not to their liking (save next year's Legacy) Mazda provides a worthy alternative - good materials/build, great styling, affordable prices! Problem is, they're just not utilizing their resources.
  • zaimonzaimon Posts: 124
    I'd be willing to assume that the 3 will still be plenty capable, especially when your other choices (in the price range) encompass the Civic, Lancer, Corolla, Neon, Impreza, Jetta etc.

    Either way, as long as the car has the right mix of comfort and handling I'll be content. AWD could also alleviate some of those steering concerns.
  • boxfanboxfan Posts: 180
    "...hopefully all that stuff will be removable without any notice."

    I'm with you. I'll definitely be looking into removing the sport grille and the side skirts if I buy this car. Otherwise it seems great--I almost bought a Protege5, but wanted more safety features and less noise and vibration.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    got me to thinking. The mentally disturbed Ford freaks who took advantage of the driveshaft tunnel in the Focus and put the supercharged Cobra motor in there might have been on to something.

    Who's gonna be the first one to do a Renesis or TT 13b swap into the Mazda3?

    The Honda hybrids might be eating Mazda dust soon....
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    sign me in! I love everything in the RX8, beside the fact that I can't bring friends and family anywhere too far.
  • "sport grille (will that come with the sport package?)"

    Yes, the sport grille is included in the sport package (for the sedan) and the sport package is standard on the Mazda3 hatch (at least for Canada anyways, but I'm 99% sure the US will be the same).

    If you want the regular grille, just order the regular grille from Japan or Europe.

    One thing about the skirts though. The Mazda3 skirts are much, much more subtle than the skirts on the Mazda6. The skirts can be seen on the blue hatch at MazdaUSA's Mazda3 flash presentation.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "If you want the regular grille, just order the regular grille from Japan or Europe."

    Post an ad, I'm sure some one w/ the same color would swap w/ you. Don't waste $.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    It's the cost of the rotary. I'll rather have it the other way around. Besides, rotary sucks in certain ways, not just weak low end, high fuel consumption, high emission that the hp # was reduced for N.A., it's also longevity or ease of repair. Get a cheaper RX-8 w/ traditional engine - the next Miata. I value RWD w/ limited-slip-differential for low-speed drifting fun more than the rotary's spinning character.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "It's the cost of the rotary."

    I realize Mazda will never do it, I just thought it was a crazy idea, ala the Ford Focus with a 390 hp DOHC supercharged V8.

    What engine do you think is more expensive, the Renesis rotary, or Ford's supercharged DOHC 4.6L V8?

    I'll bet the V8 is more spendy.......
  • boxfanboxfan Posts: 180
    "One thing about the skirts though. The Mazda3 skirts are much, much more subtle than the skirts on the Mazda6."

    Yeah, they don't do much for the car besides ruin the clean lines.

    "If you want the regular grille, just order the regular grille from Japan or Europe."

    Are the cars the same? In the press pictures of the bronze Euro 3 hatchback, it looks like the front end is a little shorter than the blue US version--less overhang, less front-heavy looking. Am I imagining it? Somehow, the the MX Sportif concept and that bronze car look much better, but I don't know if it's just the sport grille I don't like.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "The Honda hybrids might be eating Mazda dust soon...."

    Watch out for high performance AWD hybrids. They sure kick gas-only cars' [non-permissible content removed]. The 1st is the Lexus RX SUV. The FWD-only sedans from Honda/Acura is next. & w/ independent computer-control RWD electric motor, it can even be "paradise fun" if a drifting mode setting is available at a flip of a switch. That way, I don't even have to spend $ to get a Miata "go kart".

    Another beauty of this AWD hybrid design is the absence of the stupid drive-shaft-tunnel intrusion. Don't you envy the new Civic's flat floor?

    BMW's new AWD models are already incorporating power rather than just braking in the ESP program to adjust under & over steer, so a semi mode should provide a safe power oversteer!

    As Volvo claims its new S40/V50 competing w/ the (future)BMW 3-series, I hope this technology is there, too. So Mazda3 w/ AWD might also get it.

    So far, the present Volvo S60R AWD just doesn't get it:
    creakid1 "Acura TSX vs Audi A4" Aug 30, 2003 3:03am

    Mazda had '89 AWD 323 3-dr turbo & even a stripped '90 AWD Protege in N.A. I wonder if there will be another AWD here. A Californian like me don't need snow traction, so only a driftable AWD is useful for me.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    if they're adding the NAV, tire pressure, and HID to the 3, then I'd hope that the 6 gets these items. If not on the sedan, then at least on the hatch and the wagon. Wonder if the 3 with Navigation will be the lowest priced car with NAV. (That honor falls to the Pontiac Vibe right now) I don't want leather with my NAV, but I'll settle, assuming that it doesn't take away from the controls or makes it impossible to access the radio while driving. (ES300,Camry, Matrix, Vibe)
  • zaimonzaimon Posts: 124
    For someone who's up in Tahoe every other weekend between Thanksgiving and Easter, AWD is a must plus an added benefit when driving up to the slopes on Highway 50.

    "Don't you envy the new Civic's flat floor?"

    As long as I'm not in the back seat, I could care less. Even though the Civic does have a flat floor, the back seat is still too small for 5 people for the floor to be a noticeable improvement. Long trips with more than 4 people deserve something larger. I'd rather have something like the RX-8 and the Maxima's back seat center console and bring 4 people along comfortably for a trip.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I'd much rather have a minivan or SUV for long hauls. Higher seats plus more room for everyone plus gear.
  • minivan or SUV for long hauls. Higher seats plus more room for everyone plus gear.

    In a minivan, yes there's more space and almost carlike gas mileage. in an SUV, rarely more room and always horrendous gas mileage. Yes more cubic space for goods but not for people to sit comfortably.

    Curious only VW and Ford have the sense to offer diesel engines in passenger level vehicles. My dad's excursion can seat an army AND he gets 20 mpg on the freeway. You can't do that with a Expedition, Tahoe, etc.

    Wish someone would offer a diesel hybrid - electric motor take-off and diesel engine when moving. The mileage would be insane (probably in the 80s or 90s) and the torque off the line would be great as electric has full torque instantly.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "Watch out for high performance AWD hybrids. They sure kick gas-only cars' [non-permissible content removed]. The 1st is the Lexus RX SUV. The FWD-only sedans from Honda/Acura is next. & w/ independent computer-control RWD electric motor, it can even be "paradise fun" if a drifting mode setting is available at a flip of a switch. That way, I don't even have to spend $ to get a Miata "go kart"."

    OK, you're totally lost on what I was talking about. I was not talking about gas/electric hybrids. I was talking about Honda vehicles that have had engine swaps. Some people call those cars "hybrids". A rotary Mazda3 or a Cobra powered Focus would be very scary for those "hybrid" Hondas.

    Here are some Honda hybrids:

    http://tech.hybridgarage.com/

    Here's a Focus/Lightning hybrid (nice RWD burnouts, leaves skid marks in opponents pants too!!):

    http://www.modernengineuity.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=302&a- mp;size=big&password=&sort=1&cat=507

    Now wouldn't a rotary Mazda3 be cool?
  • boxfan:

    The Mazda3 grilles from euro-spec, Japan-spec, N. American-spec are the same and you can interchange them all you want. Sport grille and regular grille are also interchangeable.

    However, you cannot interchange grilles between the Mazda3 sedan and Mazda3 hatch.

    As for the blue hatch on MazdaUSA's site, it is not N. American-spec (it is very close though, which is why MazdaUSA used it). In fact, I have yet to see a single picture of the N. American-spec Mazda3.

    The sport package also includes different front and rear bumpers (just like the Mazda6), hence the difference between the blue and copper hatches.
  • I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts Mazda will do a limited run 25k mazdaspeed3 with a rotary.

    The renesis is a small engine. so we know it'll fit. If they're tossing that engine in a 26k RX-8 and they have an AWD version of the Mazda3, it doesn't seem like a stretch for them to do a showcar with AWD/renesis and see how people react. if mazda gets 2-3k pre-orders, it's an easy deal. And as they've seen with the mazdaspeed pro, there's a market for high performance econo sedans.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    It'd be cool. They'd have to call it the RX3, like the old ones. Either the RX8 would need to get a bump in power, or the rotary in the RX3 would need to be detuned to say, 230 hp or less.

    A new AWD RX3 in hatch and sedan forms could give the Subaru WRX a SERIOUS run for it's money. A car like that would also boost Mazda's image among the youngins. It would definately have the smoothest, most free revving engine in it's class. It wouldn't be the most fuel efficient, but neither is the WRX and people still buy those. Lancer EVO? STI? RX3 turbo.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    "Wonder if the 3 with Navigation will be the lowest priced car with NAV."

    I dunno but it will most likely direct you only to WalMart and Target.

    folwer3
  • If you're in a betting mood, I will happily bet you $1000 US (or more if you're willing) that Mazda will never put a rotary engine in the Mazda3.

    I'll happily wait a few years to collect too!

    The rotary engine is reserved for certain, specifically designed vehicles in the Mazda line-up. Mazda will never offer a rotary engine as a mere option in other non-rotary vehicles in its line-up.
  • Designed for specific cars, eh? That's why the scuttle butt is that the next gen mazda may get a version of the renesis and the rx-7 may reappear too? Mazda's trying to get a foot back into a world market that's been ignoring them. If it takes dropping a renesis in cars, you better believe they]ll do it. especially with ford, a company very inclined to re-using engines across many brands.

    I think you're living in an old world view of mazda as some kind of race company. Hello, they have a 4 door RX out! The purists cried about that too. It's happened and the world didn't end. When a miata comes along with that engine, will their be more gnashing of teeth?

    How many RXs do they plan to make next year? 20-25k? They can keep the assembly line going for 2k more engines in 2005 to support a limited run RX3? Don't think so. If Mazda sees a market and the retooling is in line with profits, they'd be fools to pass it up. Though we already know they were fools in the past - witness the 626 of the late 90s.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Don't you envy the new Civic's flat floor?

    Actually Mazda also claims that the Mazda3 has a "flat floor structure". I can't find a picture that can show this clearly. Anyone?

    Bruno
  • Mazda 3s 5-speed with sport package - $17415.
  • Of course you are entitled to your own opinion, however I notice that you didn't take the bet!

    Who knows, there may be additional RX variants over time - an RX-7 is probably inevitable for instance.

    But I stick to my contention that Mazda is not going to start dumping rotary engines into other vehicles in their line-up. For one thing, the engines are hand made making it impossible to dramatically increase the number that are manufactured.
  • Is that price a price quote or MSRP?
  • Wow.. Thank you for the quote bigdaddycoats. That is quite a bargain, I was afraid that the 3 was going be advertised higher.

    Did you get that info from ur Mazda dealer?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,210
    Was that for a sedan, a 5-door, or both?

    *edit*

    OK, scratch that question. I just went back and found out that the 5-door does not come in i and s trims like the sedan. I guess the hatch is pretty much s only like the current P5 which has no non-sporty variant.

    I would guess that the hatch should start in price at about that amount. Hopefully a little less. ;)
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    pretty darn good! It's the sedan right?

    Mazda3 is the Civic, Jetta, Corolla's killer! Well, if (and that's a big "if") everyone would be well informed.
  • I'm completely with groovypippin on this one (and also willing to put money on it).

    blueguydotcom, take a look my post #934 on this board. Yeah, it was in context of the Miata, but in addition to the very high cost of the rotary, there are many other reasons why there won't be a rotary in any potential Mazdaspeed3.
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