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  • If you're in a betting mood, I will happily bet you $1000 US (or more if you're willing) that Mazda will never put a rotary engine in the Mazda3.

    I'll happily wait a few years to collect too!

    The rotary engine is reserved for certain, specifically designed vehicles in the Mazda line-up. Mazda will never offer a rotary engine as a mere option in other non-rotary vehicles in its line-up.
  • Designed for specific cars, eh? That's why the scuttle butt is that the next gen mazda may get a version of the renesis and the rx-7 may reappear too? Mazda's trying to get a foot back into a world market that's been ignoring them. If it takes dropping a renesis in cars, you better believe they]ll do it. especially with ford, a company very inclined to re-using engines across many brands.

    I think you're living in an old world view of mazda as some kind of race company. Hello, they have a 4 door RX out! The purists cried about that too. It's happened and the world didn't end. When a miata comes along with that engine, will their be more gnashing of teeth?

    How many RXs do they plan to make next year? 20-25k? They can keep the assembly line going for 2k more engines in 2005 to support a limited run RX3? Don't think so. If Mazda sees a market and the retooling is in line with profits, they'd be fools to pass it up. Though we already know they were fools in the past - witness the 626 of the late 90s.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Don't you envy the new Civic's flat floor?

    Actually Mazda also claims that the Mazda3 has a "flat floor structure". I can't find a picture that can show this clearly. Anyone?

    Bruno
  • Mazda 3s 5-speed with sport package - $17415.
  • Of course you are entitled to your own opinion, however I notice that you didn't take the bet!

    Who knows, there may be additional RX variants over time - an RX-7 is probably inevitable for instance.

    But I stick to my contention that Mazda is not going to start dumping rotary engines into other vehicles in their line-up. For one thing, the engines are hand made making it impossible to dramatically increase the number that are manufactured.
  • Is that price a price quote or MSRP?
  • Wow.. Thank you for the quote bigdaddycoats. That is quite a bargain, I was afraid that the 3 was going be advertised higher.

    Did you get that info from ur Mazda dealer?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Was that for a sedan, a 5-door, or both?

    *edit*

    OK, scratch that question. I just went back and found out that the 5-door does not come in i and s trims like the sedan. I guess the hatch is pretty much s only like the current P5 which has no non-sporty variant.

    I would guess that the hatch should start in price at about that amount. Hopefully a little less. ;)
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    pretty darn good! It's the sedan right?

    Mazda3 is the Civic, Jetta, Corolla's killer! Well, if (and that's a big "if") everyone would be well informed.
  • I'm completely with groovypippin on this one (and also willing to put money on it).

    blueguydotcom, take a look my post #934 on this board. Yeah, it was in context of the Miata, but in addition to the very high cost of the rotary, there are many other reasons why there won't be a rotary in any potential Mazdaspeed3.
  • For one thing, the engines are hand made making it impossible to dramatically increase the number that are manufactured.

    Sorry but that sounds like a load. I don't recall reading "hand made" in any of the reviews of the RX8. They're selling it in a 26k car. Hand made and 26k don't go hand in hand. Whatever spin Mazda freaks may be putting on the Renesis, that one's really too hard to swallow.
  • Rotary engines are hand-assembled. In fact, they must be hand-assembled in a sealed room!

    I've read an article about the Mazda rotary manufacturing process before and I was absolutely shocked at how expensive those engines are to make (unfortunately I don't have a link to that article anymore).

    The hand-made assembly is not bull.
  • The Mazda3 could be the Civic, Corolla, Jetta killer. I use to word COULD because it will depend on how good the car is (so far it looks great), how much advertisement Mazda will use (they usually SUCK at advertisement) and.... let's not forget that the Jetta is supposed to be redesign for next year..
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    That's good? Seems kind of high to me. Of course there's no way to know for sure since we don't know what the sport package individually costs. And this particular one has the sport package as the only option right? How much could this sport package possibly cost? Even if it's $1,000 we're still talking $16,400 for a stripper Mazda3s sedan. The current ES manual sedan is $16,140. I know it's a much improved car but still I don't know. I'll wait for a price of a no options one or a price of the sport package before I can say if I like it or not though. Again I'm willing to take a 2.0 version but no side airbags available on the i trim? Not only that I'll have to fight through option packages just to get at ABS too. Added peace of mind of having safety items is just as important to me as the way the car looks or handles. Most of the rest of the world gets ABS and side airbags standard while we'll probably have to take moonroofs just to get these things. No thanks, I'll go elsewhere to get a car. I'll consider a no options version only if the car totally impresses me.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    I don't think anyone posted this yet. On km77.com they have some charts comparing the manual 2.0 hatchback to other cars. If anybody is interested here it is.

    http://www.km77.com/marcas/mazda/3_04/0primera/tabla3.asp

    Fuel economy says around 28.7 MPG. Not sure if that's for mixed city/highway or their own observations but doesn't sound too bad, but nothing to brag about either. There's also some acceleration numbers but haven't had time to convert and compare yet.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    common Billy, be real, with respect to the current Protegé, the additional $300 (approximately the inflation in one year) gives a new designed 2.3l engine with SVT, ABS, side airbags, larger interior room, and many small improvements.

    Bruno
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    are hand-assembled.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Both cars sell like hotcakes with the highest trim levels having 130 hp and little if any sport intentions. I don't think the 3 is gonna "kill" those cars. It will be successful in the Protege way but nowhere near the Civic or Corrolla. It may be the talk of Edmunds though for a while. Be we are nowhere near "average" consumers.

    And there is no way Mazda will bastardize the Renesis by putting it in a 3. It's much cheaper to slap a turbo on the 2L or 2.3L.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Both cars sell like hotcakes with the highest trim levels having 130 hp and little if any sport intentions

    How long US consumers will remain blind? Toyota and Honda must have serious reasons to worry about. It might be the beginning of the end of their reign.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I don’t know if rotarys are hand made or not, but it doesn’t seem that far fetched. A rotary only has 3-4 major moving parts depending on whether or not it’s a 3 rotor or a 2 rotor. The 13b has two rotors and the eccentric shaft for major moving parts. That's it. Compare that to the cheapest hand built piston engine available, the engine in the Ford Mustang Cobra. That engine has 8 pistons, 8 connecting rods, 4 camshafts, 32 valves, a supercharger, crankshaft, lifters, etc. etc. Hand building piston engines appears to much more involved than hand building a rotary.
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