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  • If interested, I have created a new message board comparing the Mazda3 sedan and Mazda3 hatchback. I am having a tough time making up my mind between the sedan and hatch. This board would be a good place to discuss the advantages/disadvantages of each bodystyle.

    Not sure this new board is repetitive, but here is a link:

    mazdafun "Mazda3 Sedan vs. Mazda3 Hatchback" Nov 16, 2003 8:14pm!make=Mazda&model=3&ed_makeindex=.ef2272b
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    Bruno & fowler3:

    Wow, that looks great, thanks guys.

    The circular plug on the front bumper:

    A German Mazda6 owner got back to me with this:

    "That's where you can screw in a removable hook to tow your car."

    Still don't totally understand what that means. My interpretation is that this would be used for cases where your car is well off the road or something so this would hook to a tow truck on the road which would pull you back. Could be a snow thing too.
  • Is this picture a pic of the 2.3S sedan WITHOUT the sport package? I have not seen any other pics of this configuration anywhere( 16" wheels with the sport bumpers, tailights). Bruno, have you seen any? :)

    http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/mazda3/gallery.jsp?car=4&id=1
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Still don't totally understand what that means. My interpretation is that this would be used for cases where your car is well off the road or something so this would hook to a tow truck on the road which would pull you back. Could be a snow thing too.

    to tow your car away if you don't park correctly. ;-)

    Thanks Preston. The explanation coincides with my dealer's! I wonder how this little fragile thread can hold the hook??? Amazing.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Louis. You are right this is the picture of the s-trim, and it's the only one available on the web. ;-(

    MazdaUSA doesn't show either any decent picture taking the back of the sedan, even for the i-trim.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
     tomcat630 Nov 14, 2003 2:52pm

    "'It's been 30 years since I was serious about buying an American car. I look at them, but they look so much like what GM and Ford built 30 years ago...'

    Huh? Most 1974 cars were huge boats, laden with chrome, vinyl tops, and opera windows. Which car from today "looks so much like" one of those? A 2004 Taurus hardly looks like a Torino. Nor does a 2004 Malibu look anything like the huge '74. Not to mention that no current Chrysler product resembles anything from before 1993."

    The '04 Malibu may look more like the '78 & not the '74 Malibu, but sure looks like the '74 Checkers taxi cab.

    The Taurus did not exist back in '74, so it can't look like the Torino, which, by the way, wasn't bad looking at all, especially w/ the narrower grill. The German Taunus did exit back in '74, & it was beautiful almost like the '74 Cortina.

    "Why do some people think of the Jetta as a "mid-size" car when it clearly is a compact?"

    Where did you hear that? Was it from the rental companies that offers you a full-size, then gives you a Camry? I remember the 1st Camry('83) we had was already very roomy w/ more stretch-out leg room than our Chevy Caprice! While the '85 Jetta had the same exterior length as that Camry &, of course, a larger trunk.

    Today's Jetta is made cramped on purpose, as the roomier version is reserved for the "peasant's" Jetta/Passat under the Skoda badge as Octavia/Superb. Even China's VW Passat has an extended wheelbase as long as Skoda Superb's, although still w/ the Passat's exterior styling.

    Ever wonder why the Lexus version of the Camry - the ES - is always more cramped than the Camry & even purposely offering insufficient rear headroom? They think Lexus buyers are wealthy enough to step up to the even more expensive larger Lexus if they really want the Camry-like room.

    'cause when the Infiniti equivalent of the FWD Maxima - the I - kept the same styling, people didn't "appreciate" it & found it cheap.

    So Toyota might as well make the Lexus version of the Camry worse.

    Even Mazda did that on the "Amati" Millenia. In the Mazda show room in '95, the salesman told me that the Protege became so roomy even more than the Infiniti Q45. I told him, "You're right! The Protege is also roomier than the Millenia." & even the '95 929.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    Sometimes I think Mazda's ad agency contracts with photographers who do weddings mostly. They sure don't understand cars and how to photograph them.

    Bad photography is hidden with blurring to simulate zoom-zooming. Not what prospective buyers want to see. I have never seen good photos in Mazda's Gallery.

    Mazda should hire the photographers who do CAR magazine, or at least the ones who make photos for Road&Track. R&T has taken a big step up in high-quality images, especially interiors.

    fowler3
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Check mazda.ca

    The worst photos of any Mazda site for the 3 and this (Canada) is one of their top markets for this car.

    Dinu
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Where are all those Canadian pictures and test drive reports?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    OK with all this talk about 0-60 times I was curious about the weight differences between trims. It seems that the s sedan is slightly lighter than the s hatch which should make it a little quicker. So if you're trying to squeeze as much performance as you can out of the 3, the sedan seems to be your machine.

    I personally don't care which one I get because pretty much either of the engines/trims will be faster than my Civic. Boy it'll be nice to be able to climb hills again. ;)

    What I am curious about is if the 6i MT will be faster than the 3s MT.

    Here's the info from the curb weight chart from the MUSA site PDF file:

    Curb weight (lbs.)

    i MT sedan 2,696 (PZEV = 2,718)
    i AT sedan 2,738 (PZEV = 2,760)
    s MT sedan 2,762
    s AT sedan 2,807
    s MT hatch 2,826
    s AT hatch 2,857
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    It seems that the s sedan is slightly lighter than the s hatch which should make it a little quicker.

    That's right. Not only the sedan is lighter, it also has smaller air resistance coefficient (Cx). European spec sedan is quicker than the hatch counter part of 0-0.2 second in 0-62mph (depending on version), faster in max speed about +3km/h, and has a slightly lower fuel consumption. However, according to someone who just take the testdrive of both versions, the handling of the 5-door is better. That's not a surprise either.

    What I am curious about is if the 6i MT will be faster than the 3s MT.

    what make you think the 6i would be faster? I rather think the contrary.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "what make you think the 6i would be faster? I rather think the contrary."

    Well, the 6i is about 300 lbs heavier than the 3s. Unless the gearing is different, the 3s should be faster. If the gearing on the 3s is anything like my Protégé ES 2.0L though, the 6i might be faster than the 3s to 60mph because the 3s would need to shift to 3rd in order to reach 60mph.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    The Mazda3-s MT gearing is exactly like the Protegé's. The Mazda3-s AT gearing is shorter than the Protegé's.
  • in terms of acceleration and shift points on an automatic transmission? Does it mean that the trans shifts are closer together?
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    No it doesn't mean the ratios are closer. (the AT gear ratios are the same for both Mazda3 and Protegé, just the finale drives are different).

    Shorter means: for the car same speed the engine will rev at higher RPM. That means the torques at the drive wheels are greater, which in turn give quicker acceleration but fuel mileage will be worse.

    I don't know about the shift points, for that one needs to know how the Activematic is programmed.
  • I am not as concerned about gas mileage, as I am about having quick downshifts, and enough power available once you are cruising and need to pass someone :p I wish the rpms were lower for cruising, but that is a small price to pay in exchange for all the other features the Mazda3 offers.

    Have you driven an auto equipped car yet (or would you not be caught dead in an automatic car :)), and if you have, is the trans responsive?
  • How long will it take me to decide on trading in my own Protege5 for one of these.
    I have never seen one in person myself. I guess if I buy one, we'll always have one here for customers to look at!
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Have you driven an auto equipped car yet (or would you not be caught dead in an automatic car :)), and if you have, is the trans responsive?

    You mean Mazda3 AT? No. But I have heard positive comments about the very same Activematic box on Protegé and Mazda6.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    newcar31 Nov 17, 2003 5:20pm
    "If the gearing on the 3s is anything like my Protégé ES 2.0L though, the 6i might be faster than the 3s to 60mph because the 3s would need to shift to 3rd in order to reach 60mph."

    Don't forget it's 205/65 riding on the 15". That means the 2nd gear is likely to reach 60 mph?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    This is classy! Just like the new 3-series! Along w/ the light-color interior, black glossy strip on the dash & the big "shield" black grill, maybe I should get the 2.0! J/K!
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "Don't forget it's 205/65 riding on the 15". That means the 2nd gear is likely to reach 60 mph?"

    I don't know. My Protege didn't get to 60 mph in 2nd gear and that hurts the 0-60 time. If the Mazda3s doesn't get to 60 in 2nd gear, I'll bet the Mazda6i is quicker or equal 0-60.

    Car and Driver has the Mazda6i manual 0-60 at 7.9 seconds BTW.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    is a lighter shade of Sepang Green. Maybe it's the same paint with a different name. ;)

    That ivory, can't be called beige, trim looks like it will get dirty fast. Think I would look for some sporty seat covers or have them made.

    And to think that I didn't like the 2001 Civic because it had a black steering wheel. So what does Mazda do with their cars? Black everything! I have a little dog, she's black and white, rides in the back seat. On beige seats the black hair shows; on black seats the white hair will show. Can't win.

    fowler3
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    The MZ3 is lighter and the gearing is slightly lower (shorter), so it should be a little quicker than the MZ6.
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    'Where are all those Canadian pictures and test drive reports?'

    I'll check out some dealers over the next few days.

    Apparently, all Toronto dealers should have at least one this week.

    But I did confirm 2 things:
    - US-spec Mazda3's do NOT have rain-sensing wipers
    - the Mazda3 sedan's keyless does NOT have a trunk opener (big bummer for me personally)
  • "But I did confirm 2 things:
    - US-spec Mazda3's do NOT have rain-sensing wipers
    - the Mazda3 sedan's keyless does NOT have a trunk opener (big bummer for me personally)"

    The rain-sensing wipers is a nice feature, but how hard is it to flip a lever every once in a while, or set the imtermittent setting?

    Now the trunk button on the keyless entry fob IS a feature that is very useful, and should be a standard feature, especially given Mazda has equipped all Mazda3's with steering wheel audio controls. Even my mom's old 97 escort had a trunk button on the keyless fob!! But it is a small negative on an otherwise excellent package.
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    "the Mazda3 sedan's keyless does NOT have a trunk opener (big bummer for me personally)"

    What about the hatchback?
  • Preston can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the hatch fob doesn't have a hatch opener button either. I think the hatch unlocks when the other doors are unlocked.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I would expect it to be quicker. If it's geared low enough (like my Protege) that it doesn't reach 60 in 2nd gear though, the 0-60 time will suffer.
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    lmp180psu:

    The problem with the Mazda3 intermittent setting is that it's fixed (i.e. only 1 delay speed). My parents' 626 is like this and IMHO it's even a safety issue. Fortunately (for me anyways), Canada's getting the rain-sensing intermittent wipers (though it could still be programmed stupidly, hopefully I'll find out this week).

    mazda6s:

    lmp180psu's right, the hatch unlocks with the other doors (the second press of the button to be more specific).
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