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  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I'm not really expecting the 6i to be faster than the 3s but stranger things have happened. For some reason I think they're going to be pretty close though.

    Huummm, `strange' is just an adjective for something that we don't understand well.

    Do we really think the 3s w/MT will do 0-60 under 8 seconds? Because that would just be the icing on the cake for me!

    I don't know, tests by C&D seem to get often much better time than anybody else. Most of the reviews I saw state the 2.0L time from 8.8 to 9.2 second (Mazda gives the median number of 9.0s)

    I don't think I can express in words how much I hate our Civic.

    I know, I know. I use to own one. When I have just arrived in the States, I need a car, I take the CR's words and ran out buying a Civic without doing much my own research. I'll never do that again.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    The new page you made is fantastic! All the summaries are there.

    I noticed some reviewers didn't like the 1.6L engine (they thought it was a diesel???), some complained about the lack of room for its size and others about the lack of "ESP" although one reviewer commented on it.

    It seems some were confused if the car had or not "ESP". Now is "ESP" a type of Dynamic Stability Control or does it stand for something else?

    You can notice how some countries didn't like it, whole others did.

    It's tough for a Japanese car to get praise in Europe...

    Dinu
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    I didn't want to start this either but an Elantra vs a Protege is a pointless comparison to start with when it comes to refinement and fun to drive. What's the point of talking about it -vs- the Mazda3?

    Dinu
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    Thanks Dinu for the update. Avante Richmond Hill called me this morning and said they had a Mazda3 GT sedan 5-speed. I may see them tonight but it depends on the nasty weather we're supposed to get (also, I'm not confident driving stick on a new car as I only have 1hr stick experience). I'm going to call a few dealers to see if anyone has a 2.3l auto for testdriving or if anyone has one in the showroom so I can check it out.

    Bruno, yes, I was referring to the keyless remote (not the interior power lock switch for the front passengers).

    The Mazda3 sedan does have a trunk opener inside the car. My beef with no trunk release on the keyless is this: whenever I have groceries or something, I need to unlock and open the driver's door, use the trunk opener, and then go to the trunk. Or alternatively, I'd have to manually open the trunk with the key (haven't done that for years).
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    They have indeed tested different versions. There are at least three Mazda3 for testing in Danemark during the first round last month where they decided to keep the seven finalists. The pre-production 1.6L 110 PS diesel engine as well as the 1.6L 105PS petrol engine are there.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Man, I am in love with the Mazda3. And I shall have one, my friends! Here's my history so far:

    September 1991: New 1992 Protege LX
    August 1992: Car totaled in hydroplaning accident
    September 1992: Another new 1992 Protege LX
    May 2000: New 2000 Protege ES
    January 2002: New 2002 Protege5 for wife

    A few things that were left off of the 2000 Protege (which now has 66,800 completely trouble-free miles on it, I must add), which were standard on the top-of-the-line '92 LX, were lockable fold-down rear seats, rear center armrest, rear ashtray, and -- last but not least -- that wonderful pocket behind the front passenger's seat where you could store maps and other flat items by simply reaching around from the driver's seat and grabbing/stowing them. That pocket was absolutely fantastic for storing my big U.S. Road Atlas, which couldn't fit anywhere else in the car, and keeping it handy as I was driving down the road. I could reach around and grab it while keeping my eyes on the road.

    Seems the Mazda3, which, as I said, I'm in love with, has brought most of these standard features back.

    HOWEVER ...

    In those pics posted a few days ago of the North American Mazda3, I couldn't help but notice that the wonderful back-of-seat pocket is ... ON THE BACK OF THE DRIVER'S SEAT ONLY???!!!

    http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/Mazda3/Images/RearSeat.jpg

    I took that photo and lightened it up in Photoshop, and sure enough, there is no pocket on the back of the passenger seat!

    I sure hope Mazda didn't accidentally keep the seats in the Euro configuration for North America! For us, what good is the pocket on the back of the driver's seat???

    Meade
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I sure hope Mazda didn't accidentally keep the seats in the Euro configuration for North America! For us, what good is the pocket on the back of the driver's seat???

    No, because in Europe we get the pocket only in passenger side! Euro pocket! You know why they don't have the pocket to store your maps? Because they want you to buy the GPS Nav.

    btw Meade, you won't get either the centre rear armrest and headrest.
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    "It's tough for a Japanese car to get praise in Europe..."

    That is SO true! My cousins in Italy think it's rediculous when I say that the Japanese make the best cars in the world. They're not the best looking (which is maybe what they're going by), but I'll take a Toyota over a FIAT any day.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    It seems some were confused if the car had or not "ESP". Now is "ESP" a type of Dynamic Stability Control or does it stand for something else?

    EPS=DSP (electronic/dynamic stability control). In many european countries, the DSP is available only with the Mazda3 2.0L engine. Most of the C-segment cars in Europe (Golf, Mégane, 307, Alfa 147, Focus) offer the DSP as standard feature. That's why there is many complains among the reviewers.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Has none (:

    They said end of December. I was in the area just an hour ago and dropped by. When I told them other dealers received theirs yesterday, the receptionist said she only knows that Etobicoke (Dave Wood I'm assuming) and Scarborough (Scarboro and/or Morningside) have none.

    Seems they need to get rid of the PROs :)

    Dinu
  • man, sooo many opinions from that car comparison!

    Interesting reading, though difficult for a N.A. person to understand context, as a lot of those cars are unfamiliar to us.

    Seems as if most liked the 3, but many commented that it's large exterior (compared to the rest) really didn't pay off when it comes to interior, especially trunk, capacity. Noise seems to be another complaint, but since it was tested with the smallest engine (and I would assume loudest), that didn't concern me much.

    There was a little conflict of opinion when it came to driving/suspension comfort. Some made negative comments, others positive or none at all.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    1. Whatever the Brits say, it's MUCH better in reality :)

    2. If the Germans like it, it should be at least a decent car for us NA folks.

    3. Read twice what the French say: they seem to be the most balanced out there b/w driving fun, quality, styling, comfort, value, etc.

    4. Anything coming out of the former Eastern block is usually positive (after Ladas, Dacias and Trabants no wonder!), so don't stress too much about what they say.

    5. Read Car and Driver - if they like it, it'll be most likely MY type of car :)

    Dinu
  • darn. I too like to have a trip computer/counter, and am used to having it.

    Maybe the Nav system will incorporate a more sophisticated version of that feature, albeit, at a hefty cost increase.

    I see from one of the interior close-up pictures that there are at least 3 settings for the wipers that I can see: "INT", "1" and "2".

    Not sure what this means though. Wouldn't "1" and "2" represent different speed settings? If so, what is the distinction between those two and the "INT" setting?

    come to think of it, I believe that was a Canadian dash close-up, and therefore doesn't necessarily have implications for US specs.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    INT - wipes, waits a few seconds (3-5), wipes
    1 - wipes/wipes/wipes/wipes/wipes
    2 - wwiippeess/wwiippeess <- faster than 1 :)

    Dinu
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    1. Read twice what the French say

    Everybody please listen to Dinu. LOL.
  • I was working late last night (Nov 18) when I went to my parkade (downtown Vancouver @ Howe / Cordova) and saw the Mazda 3 Sport GT. This beauty was in titanium grey with black leather interior, sun roof, etc. The lines were amazing. While I was busy gawking, the owner, a nice Scottish fellow, walked over and gave me a brief tour. Apparently, it's the first Mazda 3 sold in Western Canada and he just came back from driving the Sea-to-Sky Highway from Whistler. He said that he test drove both the 2003 Mazda Protege 5 and the 2004 Mazda 3 Sport on the same day and the refinements over the previous generation were amazing.

    My impressions: first and foremost, the car is far and away the best looking in its class. Unlike the P5, which looked like two boxes joined together, the 3 looks like an integrated whole. The design is perfectly realized. Sizewise, the 3 isn't a huge improvement over the P5. In fact, the trunk seemed smaller and the seat height is still a little low relative to other cars in its class.

    Beauty wins out, however, and I am dying to get my hands on one!
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    I guess I owe you one less beer now :)

    Dinu
  • thanks Dinu.. I had a momentary brain cramp with regards to the intermittent wipers. I should've known that.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    "Huummm, `strange' is just an adjective for something that we don't understand well."

    No, 'strange' is when you're 200 HP/200 lb-ft Escape (or Tribute for that matter) is slower to 60 than a 160 HP/~160 lb-ft CR-V w/MT. Many factors come into play (tire size, gearing, aero, tranny type, etc.) for all that to happen but boy do we take a ragging for that over in the other threads. Fortunately the twins catch up and win out in the 1/4 mile so not all is lost. ;)

    I try not to get too techincal around here unless someone asks.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    And Audia8 just posted that the Mazda6 wagon US Job 1 is March 1, with cars due in dealers 60-90 days later. Sheesh.

    I sure hope the Mazda3 hatch is big enough for my needs. If it isn't, I may well be driving a most honorable Subaru wagon! The Impala now has 141,000 miles on it, with no major repairs. I don't want to push this thing much longer.
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    There's a Mazda dealership about 5 minutes away from my office, so I headed over there during lunch (Ontario Mazda, for those in the GTA). They just received one Mazda3 GT sedan less than 1 hour before I arrived (not even PDI'd yet). Unfortunately it was stick so I wasn't going to try it.

    But the salesguy took me and another customer on a ride. Unlike my last ride which only lasted going between two parking lots, this was a 20min ride and mainly freeway driving.

    Here's some of my thoughts (both good and bad):
    - the car confirmed that Canadian-spec GT sedan has red taillights (so only sedan with GFX package has black taillights)
    - the car had auto wipers and auto lights (just about the only things Canada gets that US doesn't)
    - because of the car's height, the tires look 1 inch smaller than they really are (i.e. the car I saw had the 16's but looked like 15's)
    - interior was of BP5/BP6-type. The blue part of the cloth was quite nice, soft yet durable. The black cloth felt similar to the Mazda6, rougher but durable
    - this car handles amazing, the salesguy pushed like mad on the on/off ramps and the car took everything with zero tire screeching!
    - however, there is quite a bit of tire/suspension noise, so much so that I'm seriously questioning how bad the 17's must be. It was so bad that I'm now debating whether or not I'm going to get the GFX (which is the package that includes the 17's). I'm going to need a back-to-back with the two wheel sizes. One caveat though, the car hasn't been PDI'd yet, so it could have been the tire pressures being way too high causing all the suspension noise.
    - the car had optitron gauges, but the blue back-lighting was so faint that I couldn't see it (the other customer was in the driver's seat and had to cover the gauges with his hands just to report seeing a bit of blue). And yes, we played with the gauges quite a bit (they're very cool)
    - no comments on the centre info display and radio because the car wasn't PDI'd yet so those fuses weren't in
    - although the car had the 2.3l, it NOT have 2.3 stickers on the front doors (maybe these show-off stickers only come with the GFX package)
    - tires in the 16-inch alloys were: Toyo Proxes A05. No time to research these, I'm sure someone else can comment on them. Their treadwear was 300

    That's all I can think of so far, except to add that my productivity this afternoon is shot. Oh yeah, sorry, no pictures, didn't have my camera.

    Edit: And the build date was Oct. 2003
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Tim: I think you and me we told essentially about the same thing.

    Dinu: OK!

    Fair enough with both of you.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    great report! Which color is it? And did you check the VIN for build plant?
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    Car was silver. And to be honest, I felt the rear of the car (my first time seeing N. American-spec normal rear bumper) along with the red taillights, looked quite ugly (which makes my GFX package decision that much harder).

    Sorry, no time to write down the VIN, but I'm 95% sure both sedan and hatch are assembled in Hofu 1.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    for a 3, watch out!

    Bruno said: "Classy, that's two-tone leather wrapped dog! LOL "

    Actually, she's tri-tone, tan around the ears and mouth. In a car with black seats I would only see the white parts.

    Good reports today and lots of pictures.

    What??? No center armrest in the back seat, sheesh, that kills it for me. ;) jk

    Maybe Wongpres should buy the Prius, its remote not only unlocks the car but it starts the engine for you. In a car with both an electric motor and a gas engine, when it breaks down do you call a mechanic or an electrician?

    fowler3
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    "No, the 2.0L-AT will be way behind the 2.3L-AT because mainly of the gear ratios and not from the engine."

    There's no question about that, what I want to know is will it be comparable to a 2.0 auto Protege or will the Mazda3 2.0 auto be significantly slower? Keep in mind I'm not going to rev the engine like crazy to try and get the additional power that seems to only be had by reving it. With the gear ratios the way they are and additional weight the 2.0 auto is just going to be downright slow isn't it?

    This is an issue for me because I'd like to be able to merge on highways safely instead of struggling to get up to speed. The Mazda Protege I test drove was adequate in this regard, but much slower than that then it becomes a concern. This car may even be slower than the new Toyota Prius the way it sounds.

    I guess that's why Mazdas are always so loud, to give you that "sporty" feeling. Thanks Mazda.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    Not sure if I like it or not. I'll have to see it in person before I can say. I'm not a big fan of green anyway.

    "because of the car's height, the tires look 1 inch smaller than they really are (i.e. the car I saw had the 16's but looked like 15's)"

    Oh great, another Corolla. Hopefully the car being wide will give it a better look. The Corolla has better rear styling though.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    For those who are going to take the test drive the Mazda3 with automatic tranny.

    Could you please take a look at a tach and speedo and report back the RPM and speed. If you could read the tach at 60mph (100km/h) or greater it would be great. Thanks.
  • pzevpzev Posts: 807
    "I knew you were gonna say that after knowing about the new S40. But having higher passive safety only gives people the incentive to crash as their subconscious mind...

    Just get a car that avoids accidents well & drive responsibly."

    Me having a Volvo wouldn't change my driving style. I drive both a 2300 pound underpowered car and 3100 pound high low-end torque car and drive basically the same. Only difference is that extra power is nice in a situation where I feel passing someone is better than staying near them. Otherwise I'm very cautious and leave plenty of room between me and other cars (never tailgate) and drive very conservatively (a 2.0 auto Protege has plenty of power for me).

    Having a Volvo wouldn't make me run it into a brick wall or fly out in front of people in intersections to test out the "superior" safety of the Volvo. Even in the 2300 pound car I hardly ever think about while I'm driving that I wish it weighed more to give me a better chance in a wreck. It's actually kind of fun being that light, feels like a go-kart.

    I would just like to have good passive safety along with good active safety. Neither of these would I consider at the very top of my list as far as priorities in buying a new car go, but having both is very appealing. The Volvo's braking is 124.7 feet 0-62 and supposedly has good handling. May not be as good as a Mazda3 (especially since it weighs more) but I'm sure it's much better than most cars and suvs on the road. Having a good combination of both is the best of both worlds.

    Nothing wrong with trying to put the odds in someone's favor in a wreck if it ever came to that. And nothing wrong with buying a car because it has shorter braking distances and better handling. That handling and braking could save your life, or the passive safety could as well. Avoiding the accident is important but life isn't always so nice. That's why I'm willing to spend $800 on ABS and side curtains.

    I'm simply looking for the best of both worlds. The Volvo S40 offers both reasonably well. Price, reliability, etc. is a whole different story though.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Don't worry; I'm all excited, but MY Mazda3 is gonna be a 2005, for several reasons. One is financial -- got some other debt to take care of right now (just refi'd the house and consolidated some stuff, so that helps) -- and there's no sense shooting a live (and very, very healthy) horse -- my 2000 ES is doing just great at 67,000 miles.

    My other reason is more practical. Mazda or whoever, I refuse to buy a car in its first model year. There are just too many complicated systems in today's cars -- especially a complete redesign like the 3 (hey, look at the first runs of the Mazda6). No, I'll be buying somewhere in the first or second quarter of 2005.

    A little time to drool and plan my package ... heck, there may even be some incentives by then!

    Meade
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