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  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    - "New Honda chief puts focus on driving performance Since taking the helm of Honda Motor Co. as president and CEO in June, Takeo Fukui has been pushing the message that Honda needs to raise the fun-to-drive quotient in its vehicles..."

    - "Mazda wants to move higher Mazda aims to be the No. 3 Asian brand in Europe, behind Toyota and Nissan but ahead of Suzuki and Honda..."

    Seem like the chase is started. Though it's a little bit late for Honda. Not sure I like the fact that Mazda would become popular and many people will drive the same car than mine.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    - Xenon: CA not available, US optional in 1XT package (+ tire pressure monitor).

    - Black Tail light in CA: available with Sedan GT with GFX package (a dealer told me all sedan GT would have, but then when I ask him to confirm he coudn't) and on both 5-door Sport trims.

    - Front grill: coloured cheese-grater front grill is available with CA sedan GT with GFX package, CA 5-doors (both trims), US s-trim 4-door and 5-door. All other N/A trims have all black front grill.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    Mazda3 comes in second place, ex-aequo with the Golf V. I let you discover the winner.

    http://www.caroftheyear.org/pages/Voting04.htm

    Don't forget to read 58 judges's comments.

    Bruno
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    I didn't go to Avante. I haven't driven the PRO since Friday and the radio got perfect reception this morning so I can't duplicate the issue, meaning there's no point going.

    So you can drop by or call them: 416-642-7777

    Dinu
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Ok so a trip computer makes you feel better. Great! But if this is one of the few insignificant reasons that one would chose an Elantra/Elantra GT over a PRO/P5/3/3Sport, then you don't get the car and should be driving a Hyundai.

    Not being mean, but one should be sporty while the other is just another appliance on the road. Different priorities for different people.

    Dinu

    PS: A trunk release button on the key fob is nice but if it eliminates the release lever from inside the passenger compartment like they did it on Cavaliers and your battery is weak, it's no fun trying to squeeze juice out of your remote :)
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Thanks for updating us!

    I still don't get it how the Panda of all cars got it. I mean the 3 or Golf should have...

    Dinu
  • Dinu, thanks for speaking the truth. I didn't want to put my foot in it, but comparing an Elantra to the Mazda seemed like apples and oranges... I can't see getting passionate about a Hyundai, now or ever... We're talking "fun to drive" here, not swiss army knives...

    Lava.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Bruno,
    I'm not really expecting the 6i to be faster than the 3s but stranger things have happened. For some reason I think they're going to be pretty close though.

    Do we really think the 3s w/MT will do 0-60 under 8 seconds? Because that would just be the icing on the cake for me!

    My ZX2 did 0-60 under 8 seconds but it didn't handle well. Having a car that handles well (hopefully it's similar or even better than the P5 I drove) and has some cajones would be like a dream come true. :)

    I don't think I can express in words how much I hate our Civic.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I don't know the Panda well enough but I think most people are seduced with the packaging. British reviewers are hard on the Mazda3, I don't know what's up with them. German reviewers seem to like it. French reviewers are in the middle. For your convenience, I put all the comments on the 3 at the same page: http://www.msnusers.com/BrunoLuong/04caroftheyear.msnw

    Bruno
  • Noting the needs of the European market, the Panda kind of looks like a relic...kinda boxy, kinda old. With Fiat in so much financial trouble, you kind of have to wonder if there was some kind of charity vote going on... In any event, any contest that pits the Panda against the BMW 5 series isn't unlike comparing paper and gold. They each have purpose...but they really don't belong in the same arena.

    Lava.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I'm not really expecting the 6i to be faster than the 3s but stranger things have happened. For some reason I think they're going to be pretty close though.

    Huummm, `strange' is just an adjective for something that we don't understand well.

    Do we really think the 3s w/MT will do 0-60 under 8 seconds? Because that would just be the icing on the cake for me!

    I don't know, tests by C&D seem to get often much better time than anybody else. Most of the reviews I saw state the 2.0L time from 8.8 to 9.2 second (Mazda gives the median number of 9.0s)

    I don't think I can express in words how much I hate our Civic.

    I know, I know. I use to own one. When I have just arrived in the States, I need a car, I take the CR's words and ran out buying a Civic without doing much my own research. I'll never do that again.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    The new page you made is fantastic! All the summaries are there.

    I noticed some reviewers didn't like the 1.6L engine (they thought it was a diesel???), some complained about the lack of room for its size and others about the lack of "ESP" although one reviewer commented on it.

    It seems some were confused if the car had or not "ESP". Now is "ESP" a type of Dynamic Stability Control or does it stand for something else?

    You can notice how some countries didn't like it, whole others did.

    It's tough for a Japanese car to get praise in Europe...

    Dinu
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    I didn't want to start this either but an Elantra vs a Protege is a pointless comparison to start with when it comes to refinement and fun to drive. What's the point of talking about it -vs- the Mazda3?

    Dinu
  • wongpreswongpres Posts: 422
    Thanks Dinu for the update. Avante Richmond Hill called me this morning and said they had a Mazda3 GT sedan 5-speed. I may see them tonight but it depends on the nasty weather we're supposed to get (also, I'm not confident driving stick on a new car as I only have 1hr stick experience). I'm going to call a few dealers to see if anyone has a 2.3l auto for testdriving or if anyone has one in the showroom so I can check it out.

    Bruno, yes, I was referring to the keyless remote (not the interior power lock switch for the front passengers).

    The Mazda3 sedan does have a trunk opener inside the car. My beef with no trunk release on the keyless is this: whenever I have groceries or something, I need to unlock and open the driver's door, use the trunk opener, and then go to the trunk. Or alternatively, I'd have to manually open the trunk with the key (haven't done that for years).
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    They have indeed tested different versions. There are at least three Mazda3 for testing in Danemark during the first round last month where they decided to keep the seven finalists. The pre-production 1.6L 110 PS diesel engine as well as the 1.6L 105PS petrol engine are there.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Man, I am in love with the Mazda3. And I shall have one, my friends! Here's my history so far:

    September 1991: New 1992 Protege LX
    August 1992: Car totaled in hydroplaning accident
    September 1992: Another new 1992 Protege LX
    May 2000: New 2000 Protege ES
    January 2002: New 2002 Protege5 for wife

    A few things that were left off of the 2000 Protege (which now has 66,800 completely trouble-free miles on it, I must add), which were standard on the top-of-the-line '92 LX, were lockable fold-down rear seats, rear center armrest, rear ashtray, and -- last but not least -- that wonderful pocket behind the front passenger's seat where you could store maps and other flat items by simply reaching around from the driver's seat and grabbing/stowing them. That pocket was absolutely fantastic for storing my big U.S. Road Atlas, which couldn't fit anywhere else in the car, and keeping it handy as I was driving down the road. I could reach around and grab it while keeping my eyes on the road.

    Seems the Mazda3, which, as I said, I'm in love with, has brought most of these standard features back.

    HOWEVER ...

    In those pics posted a few days ago of the North American Mazda3, I couldn't help but notice that the wonderful back-of-seat pocket is ... ON THE BACK OF THE DRIVER'S SEAT ONLY???!!!

    http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/Mazda3/Images/RearSeat.jpg

    I took that photo and lightened it up in Photoshop, and sure enough, there is no pocket on the back of the passenger seat!

    I sure hope Mazda didn't accidentally keep the seats in the Euro configuration for North America! For us, what good is the pocket on the back of the driver's seat???

    Meade
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I sure hope Mazda didn't accidentally keep the seats in the Euro configuration for North America! For us, what good is the pocket on the back of the driver's seat???

    No, because in Europe we get the pocket only in passenger side! Euro pocket! You know why they don't have the pocket to store your maps? Because they want you to buy the GPS Nav.

    btw Meade, you won't get either the centre rear armrest and headrest.
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    "It's tough for a Japanese car to get praise in Europe..."

    That is SO true! My cousins in Italy think it's rediculous when I say that the Japanese make the best cars in the world. They're not the best looking (which is maybe what they're going by), but I'll take a Toyota over a FIAT any day.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    It seems some were confused if the car had or not "ESP". Now is "ESP" a type of Dynamic Stability Control or does it stand for something else?

    EPS=DSP (electronic/dynamic stability control). In many european countries, the DSP is available only with the Mazda3 2.0L engine. Most of the C-segment cars in Europe (Golf, Mégane, 307, Alfa 147, Focus) offer the DSP as standard feature. That's why there is many complains among the reviewers.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Has none (:

    They said end of December. I was in the area just an hour ago and dropped by. When I told them other dealers received theirs yesterday, the receptionist said she only knows that Etobicoke (Dave Wood I'm assuming) and Scarborough (Scarboro and/or Morningside) have none.

    Seems they need to get rid of the PROs :)

    Dinu
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