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VW Passat TDI

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  • mkarpmkarp Posts: 22
    Has anyone heard if the passat tdi is expected to be available in the wagon version? and if so, will the tdi 4 motion be available? this will help me to avoid buying an overpriced svu...
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,430
    I looked into importing a Canadian car a few years ago and it was far more complicated than just the speedo changeover. I think it is much easier with used cars though.
  • tdi01tdi01 Posts: 1
    I will have to disagree with a previous post regarding "DeMontrond here in Houston". I was terribly disappointed and furious with the buying process. I cannot comment on their service, probably because I refuse to go back. I had various questions regarding the purchase only to be deferred to "the next station". After about 5 or 6 stations and "Just Sign Here", I was enraged to find unreal interest rates! But I really wanted/needed this car (Jetta/TDI/Fa2001)... Regardless, when I went to pick up my car (I was working two full time jobs) The sales man could not wait 5 minutes past closing, left my car out back with the key behind the tire!!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE... Austin's Charles Maund was about as bad... Said I would not be able to find a Sivler TDI, once I called to let them know I found one in Houston, they said they could have one in 3 days, despite my 3 weeks of patience to have them find one! (I let him order it anyway ;-) I have had much better service, scheduled and unscheduled, out of Georgetown's Don Hewlett Dealership! Sorry for the venting!
  • profvhprofvh Posts: 31
    My favorable comments on the Houston VW dealer were in regard to service. TDI0l, I'd be mad
    about your buying experience too. I have, as said
    before, been very happy about the service; the
    buying experience was OK. I have noticed that they seem to have a big turnover of salespeople.
    My salesman was gone about a month after my purchase. Don't know if this is an industrywide
    problem, or one more with VW.

    I have owned at least one Mercedes for many years
    and it is easy to be spoiled with first class wait
    rooms, helpful service people and classy customer
    events such as cocktail parties, etc. VW certainly doesn't do this well but when I buy a
    Benz I know this is part of what I pay for.

    Overall, I'm sure VW needs to work on their dealer
    network.
  • The TDI Passat will be available 1st quarter of next year. VW isn't talking about anything as far as have 4MO in it. The Touareg will have 4mo in it obviously. But nothing has been said in the Passat.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    .....if manual transmission will be available...ez
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    No manual transmission. No 4Motion.
  • mkarpmkarp Posts: 22
    moparbad: do you know if the tdi will be offered in the wagon? and not just the sedan?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Yes the Wagon is expected. Both Sedan and Wagon to be available in GLS trim only.
    below are some of the changes for 2004 Passat
    2004 Passat Sedan and Wagon GL, GLS, GLX and W8

    * New 2.0L TDI – 134 hp, 247 lb-ft of torque with advanced unit-injector technology available later in model year (preliminary figures; subject to change)
    * 4MOTION also available as option on 1.8T GLS later in model year
    * New exterior colors later in model year:

    o Wheat Beige replacing Mojave Beige

    o Stonehenge Gray replacing Fresco Green

    o Samoa replacing Colorado Red

    o Shadow Blue replacing Indigo Blue

    o Blue Graphite replacing Blue Anthracite

    o Northern Green replacing Pine Green

    * New interior colors later in model year:

    o Pure Beige replacing Sonnenbeige

    o Anthracite replacing Black

    * Wood trim available as an option with Leather Package on GLS later in model year
    * New velour standard on GL and GLS later in model year
    * New leatherette (Black, Beige, Gray) optional on GL and GLS later in model year
    * New style 15” steel wheels standard on GL
    * New style 15” alloy wheels standard on GLS
    * New style 16” alloy wheels standard on GLX
    * New style 16” alloy wheels standard on W8
    * ESP now also standard on GLX
    * Telematics optional on GL and GLS, standard on GLX and W8
    * Homelink now also standard on GLS
    * Monsoon now also standard on GLS
    * New seatbelt reminder and fuel cap seal warning
    * Side mirrors with integrated blinker later in model year
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,430
    I realize that the manual tranny won't be available w/ the diesel, but given that you can now special order pretty much anything you want on a VW, will you be able to special order the manual tranny? I think the way it has worked is you still have to pay for an item that is deleted, but I have no problem with paying for the automatic, but getting the manual. As long as I can get the manual. I also have no problem with waiting.

    Any insight VWguild?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    I've only heard of ONE person who has had any success with special ordering VW's. That is Peter (vwguild). And this has involved slight changes in equipment that was already being offered.
    Stating "but given that you can now special order pretty much anything you want on a VW" is more of a dream than reality I expect.

    If VW does not offer the manual in US then the only way you will get the manual is to obtain one from Europe and have it installed in North American Passat TDI.
  • unfortunately, all current Eurovan (passenger vans) are VR6 powered. The diesel was an option only in the past (like the synchro 4WD). But the commercial vans (called Transporter here) come with the turbo-diesel (I think its the old 2.5-L 5-cyl like the early Eurovan, Transporter, and Audi cars rather than the TDI found in Jettas, etc.)

    But you may find a used one. There is a Blue Eurovan here in Ladner with the turbo-diesel, factory alloys, and rear "barn doors". They're rare, but they exist.

    Plus, there are camper conversions based on the diesel commercial vans. They also have the advantage of the long wheel-base compared to the Eurovan. My former director of marketing has one, and she's driven to Mexico from Canada 3 times in it!

    Some of the Eurovan passenger vans in Canada have the longer wheel-base plus the dual sliding doors.
    But VW discontinued the dual sliding doors (the same year that Dodge "invented them" on their mini-vans) citing safety concerns with children exiting into traffic. There's a burgundy Eurovan that I see around town occasionally with both sliders plus the long wheel-base. I don't know if its a diesel or gas.

    I know a guy importing VWs and parts from Germany.
    He's getting a container now with many parts plus a TDI Transporter truck. He may be able to import a diesel van that you could buy.
  • I just heard from Peter Savale of VW Guild that TDI's are not available for sale in CA and the North East for 2004. So all diesel fans, better get your TDI's right now, they are flying off the lots, fast..
  • The local dealers are getting ready for the onslaught of Taxi companies once the TDI arrives.
    Imagine: the space of a Chev Impala, better handling, over 40 MPG in town, less maintenance, longer life, and better resale value. Every Taxi owner/operator will be lining up for these cars!
  • ike3ike3 Posts: 81
    Not sure about the whole Northeast as the previous
     author has indicated. Certainly NY, MA, VT, ME.
     Bordering states might be affected, but that is up to
     VW, not due to regulations. Same in the West, CA
     for sure, as well as states that share a border with CA.
     So for 2004-05, certainly they will not be sold, unless
      the CA observing state grants a waiver...which has not
      occurred to my knowledge.
        Also, I am not so sure that maintenance would be
     cheaper with the use of this engine. I have spoken
     to VW service in the Rochester area. They claim that
     by 40k miles, the engines were filthy with deposits and
     that gaskets in some cases had to be replaced. The
     deposits due mainly to the high sulfer content in the
     fuels here in NY state. Diesel engines operate under
     a harsher environment...at higher pressures. I am
     speaking of the TDI's in Jettas and Golfs, the 1.9 eng.
        So, while MPGs are going to be higher, thus saving
     the user $$ in fuel costs...remember that higher costs
     of maintenance could negate those savings over time.
     Perhaps the hybrid may be the way to go. Why not
     a hybrid VW? Perhaps these issues with the TDI will
     go away with the introduction of low sulfer fuel, which
     will be phased in by 2006.
       Then, and only then will the TDI perhaps be legal
     again in those CA emission states, including mine.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,086
    Don't hold your breath. The current Golf/Jetta/Beetle TDI only gets 34 MPG in town with an automatic transmission. We'll see how the Passat fares in the EPA test. Given VW's reliability ratings, and my own personal experience, I would suggest that in exhange for less required maintenance, VW owners spend more on repairs (not necessarily related to the extended maintenance interval).
  • mkarpmkarp Posts: 22
    When are the diesel passats expected to hit the show rooms? I tried to find info on the vw site but could not find any mention of it. And to verify, they are being built in Germany, right?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Late Deceber 03. Built in Germany.
  • from people that I've talked to who have driven new Passat TDIs in Europe. I asked why just the 5-spd tip and not the 6-spd or CVT (I thought the CVT would be ideal with a TDI) and they say that the 5-speed tip just works very smoothly in combination with the new engine and they're a great match.

    RE mileage not as good with an auto: ALL taxis around here are automatics, and the only useful comparison is the Passat TDI against a chev Impala (which is the only popular taxi vehicle).
    Also, Jettas have the old 4-spd auto.

    The Passat's cost of ownership will be MUCH lower, and resale is MUCH higher than anything coming from Detroit. And complaints about VW reliability? Compared to what? One of my employees is driving a GM sedan less than 2 years old and the front end is falling apart already!
    He's already had the windshield replaced under warantee because you couldn't see out at an angle ... the quality of the glass was so bad (all wavy). VW complaints come from VW owners because they are very picky. They'd complain a lot more if they had to drive something else...
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    Sulfur in American diesel fuel is a real problem. I wonder how the engine will be modified to operate on the low quality American diesel fuel without adversely affecting performance and reliability.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    VW has a particulate trap ready for the Passat TDI. It is being used in Europe. Will it be used in North America on the 2004? Time will tell.
  • Does anyone have more information about the engine? Timing belt/timing chain, unit injectors/common rail, maintenance intervals/maintenance costs. Anyone had a chance to drive a passat with this diesel engine?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    dieselbreath Mar 26, 2003 1:54am

    Did you get that Passat TDI that you ordered in March of 03?
  • I rented the 130 HP Passat TDI Wagon in Germany. It had the 6-spd tranny. Amazing acceleration (the turbo lag was not too annoying). I topped it out at 137 mph on the straight and flats. Combined autobahning and urban stop and go, it avg'd right about 30 mpg (also amazing). I'd buy one in a snap. Fabulous vehicle. Haven't yet driven one with the auto tranny.
  • I think that bringing back the Passat TDI is excellent move by Volkswagen. Here in Canada we will soon be having to live by the regulations set out in Kyoto accord. While a hybrid car looks good on paper in terms of fuel effiency they do not have the "real world experience" Try this, I have a 1999 Jetta TDI with 285,000 kms on it. These were not easy ones either. This was the first car that both my brother and I drove and as you can imagine there were some hard miles put into that car, being teenagers and all!! (racing home to make curfews!!) All we have done is replaced the timing belts (as scheduled) and changed the engine oil at our local Canadian Tire store (They keep a small amount of filters on hand that fit the TDI) Hybrid technology although it has potential is still much too complicated. Now Volkswagen is bring back an excellent option in a beautiful car!! The only thing else that I could ask for is that they put the 6 speed option and 4 motion on it as well!!
  • I doubt diesels are going to be good sellers in North America where gasoline is cheap and people prefer smooth quiet ride and strong acceleration. How can you stand the puttering noise of a diesel engine?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Sounds like someone who hasn't tried the latest generation of diesels. The Passat with the new engine will deliver all of those things: smooth, quiet ride, strong acceleration, and no extra noise. You really need to experience the difference in the last few years worth of technology advance. Anyone who has rented one overseas in the past couple of years can tell the difference.
  • I'd have to disagree with the member who thought that diesels wouldn't be good sellers. I think that once people drive them or more of them get out there that many of the misconceptions about them will be erased. In fact, when we drive up many people are supprised that our Jetta TDI is in fact a Diesel car. I think people view Diesels as the crappy unreliable ones that were brought out by GM many years ago, the truth being that they couldn't be farther from the truth. Now my dream would be to have BMW bring one of their diesel engines over to North America and put it in one of the 3 series cars! Now that would be amazing!!
  • profvhprofvh Posts: 31
    jrct9454 is right on the money concerning diesels.
    The common rail diesel engine which is a heavy
    seller in Europe is smooth, quiet, powerful and
    not smelly. Of course, European refineries are
    ahead of US refineries because they have removed
    the sulfur problem. 2006 US regulations will
    bring us up to European diesel standards. I have
    traveled extensively in Germany, Switzerland and
    Austria. In Munich or Vienna, for example, I have
    not been aware of diesel soot or noise problems
    at all. These diesels are light years ahead of
    the GM converted diesels of the late 1970s and
    1980s in the United States. I can speak from
    experience: I owned a 1978 Olds 88 diesel for 1
    year. Fortunately, I dumped it as reports came
    about them blowing up. GM used a regular gas
    engine block for the diesel. I may buy a VW or
    MB diesel, but will wait until US diesel fuel
    improves.
  • Even the best diesel engine cannot match the refinement of a comparable gasoline engine. I know diesel technology has come a long way in the last twenty years. In Europe diesels are popular because gasoline costs more than 4 bucks a gallon. Fuel efficiency is a bigger factor in Europe than in the US in deciding what type of car to buy. Besides, most pumps in the US don't even carry diesel fuel anyway. A lot has to change in this country before diesel becomes truly popular.
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