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Porsche Boxster and Boxster S

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  • zainazaina Posts: 5
    DONT fix it yourself. This is a factory defect. Report it, take it back, they need to fix it for free. The wind deflector should not vibrate what so ever, not even a bit. Not even when your driving at 200 KM!! take it back and report it, coz if you mess around with it they'll blame you for the issue.

    if by any chance your hearing a metallic virbation from behind and you mistook it for the wind deflector, then i know for a fact that the previous boxsters (2006 and 2007) have a defect and they occasionally make that noise when you first start accellerating, and i beleiev there was a peice they decided to add on all new cars after their first service. But I am sure the 2009 should have this issue resolved already.
  • tomk17tomk17 Posts: 135
    The fix is 2-3 small pieces of weather-strip foam with a sticky side. That's what they will do a the dealer for no cost like another posted suggests. Bring it in if you want, or save time, get some of this 1/4" foam strip stuff yourself. Put a 1" piece on the 2 sides and the bottom to tighten it up a bit. Worked for me for 2 years.
  • The internet can be a scary place especially if your researching reviews on a car. I interested in buying a 03' Boxster S - it has 60,000 miles and the dealer is willing to throw in a 12-month bumper to bumper warranty. I'm still hesitant just because of everything I'm hearing with the engine issues.... Is there a particular model VIN that the issue are more common? The price is comparable to Edmunds pricing, just cautious about the expense of a Porsche, which I've dreamed of owning since I was a kid.... You all seem to know the car, what should I look out for, how long does the clutch last, expected what does or will need? for that 60,000 of a car?
  • There are now aftermarket solutions for the IMS deficiency in the M96 Porsche engine. I have an older air-cooled 911 and would like to purchase a used Boxster for a daily driver, but like so many hear have been concerned about the longevity of the motor. The aftermarket IMS fix is probably a $1,000 or more upgrade, but it replaces the existing bearing with a new, more robust unit. If I do decide to buy a used Boxster, I will consider this to be a necessary investment in the car and won't drive it until the upgrade is complete. You can find more info by doing a search on LN Engineering or Flat Six Innovations. There have been several articles published on them in various Porsche enthusiasts magazines.

    I totally love my old 911. It's as much a hobby to work on as drive. I need greater reliability and affordability in my daily driver, but the Boxster is alluring enough that I could deal with some pain....just not blown engine pain. Note: The IMS is not the only engine issue with the M96.

    We need a car designed and engineered in europe and built in asia. Americans are building better cars these days, but think asia still has the edge.
  • I am looking at a used 2003 Boxster S with 70K and the IMS has already been fixed at about 56K. Does anyone know what the odds are for another failure if this has been fixed once? My assumption would be that they upgraded/corrected the problem and it might be safe to buy this car? Thanks
  • I'm thinking of selling my '05 Boxster S and am wondering what I could expect to get for it in a private sale. It's Seal Grey with sand interior and grey top, 12K miles, 6-spd, pristine condition, always garaged and dealer serviced, little rain, no snow, never raced. Options include bi-xenons, navigation, heated seats, Bose/windstop. MSRP $60,600. Any ideas on price would be appreciated.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    $9995... :P

    Now, let me give you my shipping information.... lol..

    j/k.. sounds like a really nice car..

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  • If I remember right, $9995 is what they charge for the leather-trimmed fuse box cover on the option list. :)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    LOL... not far off, I bet..

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  • I've followed used Boxster pricing for a while. I think your car would be a good deal at $25000. There is a Boxster S in Florida at a dealer for $27K.
  • raw5raw5 Posts: 2
    Did you ever get a resposne to this inquiry? I am in the same situation with my 02 Boxster...need a new rear window after 7 years of use.
    RAW5 in San Diego.
  • raw5raw5 Posts: 2
    Did you get an answer? I too have the same problem
    RAW5 in San Diego
  • das10das10 Posts: 2
    How did you convince PNA to repair the engine at no charge?
  • foxyesqfoxyesq Posts: 26
    I am considering purchasing a roadster as a "weekend" car this spring. I have narrowed it down to two cars - a new 370Z roadster or a Porsche Approved Boxster (2007-08 or an older Boxster S). Both the 370Z and Boxster have similar performance (both way more than I will ever demand) and are about the same price to purchase. While there "is no substitute" for a Porsche, I am concerned about the IMS issues and cost of ownership -- specifically the cost of maintaining the car. Since this will be a luxury purchase, I really don't want any hassles.

    I have been a life-long Z fan and am leaning that way. I also think that the Z will be more reliable and less to maintain. However, I can't ignore the fact that a well-equipt Z comes close to new Porsche territory and costs more than a low mileage Boxster with a great warranty.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks,
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,476
    If you were picking coupes between the Z and a Cayman, it would be a tougher choice...

    But, roadsters? Might as well get the car that was built to be a droptop in the first place....

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  • longislander1longislander1 Posts: 112
    I dont' know where you are in your purchase, but one reason that you can buy a low-mileage Boxster for less than a new Z is Porsche's infamous M96 engines. If you go to the Porsche enthusiast sites (and another forum right on here), you can find story after story about low-mileage engine failures, and -- in many cases for cars out of warranty -- Porsche's refusal to pick up part or any of the tab for the replacement engine that can run $15K or more. These engines are in cars produced from 1997 through 2008. Because of this blot on Porsche's record, you will find Boxsters selling for less (as a % of MSRP) than their otherwise inferior competition, such as Audi TT, BMW Z4, etc. Porsche owners have been made to suffer, either in high repair bills or low resale value, with the company apparently taking little responsibility and designing the defect out of the engine for '09. It's something to think about before considering a Porsche purchase. Do you want to buy from a manufacturer that might leave you high and dry? Think about it: if you negotiate a good price on a Porsche and are later stuck with a $15K repair bill, have you really gotten a bargain?
  • jhowiebjhowieb Posts: 1
    I am purchasing a 99 Boxter and would like to find a good mechanic in the Kansas City area. Does anyone know of one?
  • I have owned a 2003 Boxter since 2006 and I am looking for a newer model since I have over 85,000 miles on her.
    I have had NO problems with this car other than a electrical failure that cost me $500.00. I have driven the car from Houston to Seattle and through out the west coast and have loved the experience of owning one. Go for the Porsche you will love it.
  • 2003 boxster s ,recently rear trunk pops open whenever car is running, anybody out there know of any solutions? thanx for the help
  • fantomfantom Posts: 211
    Me too....the engine issue referred to is, at most, one half of one percent, with causes unknown. The poster is an infamous whiner.
  • tj60tj60 Posts: 4
    Hoping to buy my first Porsche a 2003 Boxster S with 50,000 miles. But now I'm getting really concerned about going through with the purchase since I've been reading about all these engine failures. Is this still a major problem with the 2003 or is it associated more with the pre 2001 models. Its overwhelming
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,641
    edited October 2011
    Not a problem with a 2003. These are *great* cars; however, you have to have the car checked out by a Porsche specialist before you buy it, nonetheless. Nothing on this car is cheap to fix, so start out right with it. It'll be the best $150--$200 bucks you ever spent. Also work all the switches and controls, and operate the top and examine it for wear.

    They made a *lot* of Boxsters, so you don't have to leap at one.

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  • tj60tj60 Posts: 4
    Thank you so much for the response, this will help in my decision process.
    If I may ask one other question. What is your opinion on this retrofit for the IMS I have read about. Its supposed to be a beefier version of the origional
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,641
    Well I don't really know the details of that although I could find out, but you don't want to have to get inside a 2003 Boxster S engine--it would be too expensive to modify it. You can buy and install short blocks for less money than rebuilding an original engine.

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  • There is no documented evidence that 2003 cars are any more reliable than others with the M96 engine. In fact, there is no documented evidence at all on the incidence of engine failures because Porsche has not published any. All we have are the reports of victims. There are many and they are not pretty. If you buy a car with an M96 engine of any year, you take your chances. Yes, Porsches can be great cars . . . when they work. If the manufacturer would admit its design defect, compensate the victims appropriately and give the rest of us an extended warranty or some sort of interim fix, the cars would be far more enjoyable. On Planet-9, the Porsche enthusiast site, a number of victims have gotten together and have filed safety complaints with NHTSA, with the aim of forcing Porsche to issue a recall. If you are a victim and you haven't filed a complaint, you should definitely do so. That's the only way we will truly know the extent of the problem because the manufacturer has apparently decided not to acknowledge the issue publicly or stand fully behind its product. From reports I've read, Porsche makes customers sign a confidentiality agreement even if they are only given partial reimbursement for an engine replacement and still have to shell out thousands of dollars of their own money to get a low-mileage car running again. Others with low-mileage failures get nothing. One has to think twice about buying a car from a manufacturer with such an anti-customer attitude. If there is such secrecy about the M96 cars, one has to wonder if there are any defects in new Porsches that are also being hidden.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,641
    I wouldn't hesitate to buy one, as long as it wasn't a 1997-99 original engine, presuming it checks out, and presuming the following components have been checked on the 2003 car: (these are known possible areas of deficiency in a small number of cars)

    Air oil separator

    Variable cam solenoid

    Mass Air Flow sensor

    Radiator and radiator fan

    The Boxster engine was totally redesigned in 2004, and I suspect that some of the above issues would not appear in those engines.

    I have many friends with these cars and no problems--but I do agree that I wouldn't touch a 97-99 Boxster with a ten foot pole unless it had a replacement engine in it already.

    So I'm willing to put my money on the line for a 2003--and in fact, I intend to buy an S sometime in the next year or so. But I'll be very selective in my purchase, as I am with any car I buy.

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  • tj60tj60 Posts: 4
    Thanks again, really do appreciate all the input. just wish it could ease my mind a little more :)) For now I think I will curb my enthusiasm on buying one until I can get some more info from a local porsche mech. Thanks again
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,641
    If you are in the San Francisco Bay Area, I can hook you up with one. Maybe I'll call over there and see what they have to say. They've been working on these cars since Day One, so they'll know for sure.

    My opinion is that a lot of these engine problems came, quite frankly, from people who are first time Porsche buyers and who are used to the maintenance schedules and maintenance costs of a Toyota Camry, which are substantially less. Add that to the weaknesses of the 97-99 engines, and you have a problem.

    If you want one of the world's best handling cars, with outstanding performance, you have to step up a bit and be a pro-active owners, and not be stingy in your care for a car like this.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,641
    Okay, spoke with the Porsche experts. Their advice is that they have rarely seen a RMS (rear main seal) issue in the past few years with Boxsters at least, since all the problem children (earlier cars) have been taken care of already.

    As for the IMS, intermediate shaft bearing, issue, one still has to be careful. They felt that the earlier cars, say 2000-2008, are safer in that if a bearing fault is detected early enough, it can at least be repaired. But 2009 on up, no such luck--the engine is totaled.

    The way they test a used Boxster for the IMS is interesting. They remove the oil filter and cut it open and examine it for metallic bearing debris. If they see it, then they can intervene and replace the bearing (not cheap, since the transmission has to come out) by pressing in a new one.

    so no debris, no worries. Some debris, some worries. By all means have this test done if you're buying a used Boxster. I certainly would.

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  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,676
    Are you still planning on purchasing a Boxster S? That IMS stuff gives me pause.
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