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Porsche Boxster and Boxster S

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,048
    Sure. I'll just make sure they cut open the oil filter. I see plenty of Boxsters running around with well over 100K++. Sure a few people will get burned--and a few will be creamed by a garbage truck waiting at a stoplight.

    I went through this with my MINI purchase as well---another "risky" car with all kinds of potential factory defects. I avoided all of them with an inspection except for one---the noisy flywheel when cold--but in that case it's only a noise and doesn't affect the clutch.

    All used cars are a risk---the best one can do is either play the odds and try to eliminate all risks, or don't play at all.

    If I didn't play at all, I would never have owned many of the cars I did end up buying and enjoying.

    If a person is totally risk-averse, they should buy a good ol' Camry or some such. Exciting cars are always risky to some extent.

    A used Corvette has its risks, too. The only upside is that it's not a $12,000 engine. (but it's getting there).

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  • tj60tj60 Posts: 4
    Thanks for doing all this checking really appreciate it. I found a good porsche mechanic here where I live so first chance I get I will be bending his ear with lots of questions. still would like to own one :))))
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,048
    Yep, the people who work on them everyday are in the trenches, and know the situation better than any of us. Tell us what he says when you speak to him.

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  • I don't know if you've bought yet, but if you haven't, I would suggest you do more homework. Search for engine failure posts on forums like Planet 9 and Rennlist, go to the "Porsche Boxster Engine Failure" page on Facebook and do a Google search on Porsche engine failures. Contact some of the owners directly and see what their experiences have been. I think you'll find the picture a little less rosy than some of the postings on here. While independent mechanics may be somewhat helpful, they don't have the broad knowledge of the problem that you can find by searching the web.

    Yes, the Boxster does handle great. There's still nothing quite like it out there for the price, especially if you buy used. But if I had to do it over again, I never would have bought mine. The financial exposure is too great and the fact that Consumer Reports rates my engine "much worse than average" does nothing to help resale value. The safety risk is too great, especially if the engine suddenly goes while you're on a crowded highway doing 80 mph with a Hummer tailgating you. And, while I always understood, from personal experience and from others, that Porsche was not the best for customer service, it is clear that by the time the '05s were launched, Porsche had plenty of knowledge about the IMS problem and yet it continued to sell cars with defective bearings to unsuspecting customers like me. Any company with such a contempt for paying customers doesn't deserve my business. Since -- based on owner reports -- the '97-'04 cars were defective and the next generation '05-'08 cars also harbored defects, who's to say that the cars built in '09 or after won't be trouble as well?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,048
    Well the internet *is* great for gathering information but there is the tendency to presume that a problem one sees posted time and time again represents a 100% failure rate---which is hardly the case. Even a 5%--10% failure rate for a certain component is considered a catastrophe for a manufacturer.

    So most Boxster engines will run fine for many years...BUT...there is that risk, yes indeedy. This is why I recommend sawing apart your oil filter at every change.

    At least, if you see any indications of bearing debris, you can do a retro-fit at considerably less cost than an engine rebuild.

    Actually nobody really rebuilds Boxster engines. as that's just MORE risk--most shops install a new short block.

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  • rabbitbrabbitb Posts: 1
    I know this post is old... I live in KC area and am thinking about buying a Boxster. Did you ever buy? What has your experience been like?

    Appreciate the feedback in advance.
  • alexxjm1alexxjm1 Posts: 1
    Drained of dollars and time by the local Porsche dealership, I tried to take my Boxster to Jiffy Lube for an oil change. They said, "Only the dealer can change the oil on these." Doubtful, I drove a mile to another nearby Jiffy Lube, where they told me that it would take about 20 minutes for all the oil to drain out, and that they don't carry the filters, so I'd have to go buy one at the Porsche dealer. Instead, I drove to Autozone, and bought a FRAM filter. Anything wrong with any of this?

    Also, my Boxster is low mileage -- 40 K now. I have heard mixed things about timing belt/tensioner maintenance. Any input? Thanks!
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    "Here are two things you might want to know about the new 2013 Porsche Boxster S. First, its lateral acceleration, at a nice even 1.0g, is better than the lightweight, wholly uncompromised, utterly focused, bikini-top-wearing 2011 Porsche Boxster Spyder.

    Second, its 72.8-mph slalom speed happens to be better than the last all-new 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S we tested. Clearly, this car is far from entry-level."

    Read the rest of the road test notes.

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    edited September 2012
    ...at Summit Point Raceway at a Porsche sponsored driving event.

    Unfortunately, all the cars we drove: 4 Panameras, 4 Carrera S's, 2 Boxster S's were all PDK's so I didn't get a chance to drive the manual transmission Boxster S that I would likely order for myself.

    But the experience was, nonetheless, impressive. I don't think I'd put the Boxster S as close to the new (991) 911S as the Edmund's reviewer did, at least with regard to acceleration. But, compared to my former 997 911S Cab, and in my hands, the Boxster S may have been quicker around the track with less white in my knuckles showing. It's a very easy car to drive well, as even my wife came out of the drivers seat with a big grin. (Compared to the dizzy look she had after sitting in the passenger seat with me at the wheel of a 911S).

    This is one tight little car. In 2005, I found the Boxster S back then to be very good, but insufficiently better than my former S2000 to warrant a 2x price. Today, I find the Boxster S to be improved in all performance categories - not to mention much better looking inside and out - to warrant a price that's 20% higher than I was looking at in 2005. I think if you are smart with the options - sport chrono, PASM, Premium w/adaptive sport seats, infotainment - you should be able to keep the MSRP to around $75,000 and negotiate a 5-6% discount for a net price of $71,000 +/-. That's not cheap by any means, but there really isn't anything short of a more expensive 911 or Ferrari that will give you the same driving experience. The SLK, Z4, and other cars at a similar or lower price point are not remotely close in handling precision or driving experience. Lotus, maybe, but they are uncomfortable tin cans that spend too much time in the shop. Perhaps Honda needs to come out with an S3000. But until they do, the Boxster S is in a league of its own IMO.
  • hkyhky Posts: 71
    I am considering buying a Boxster. There isn't much news about the newer model, are they better and more reliable than before (I am expecting more to own this car but certainly don't want a money pit) ? Dealer has a 2012 loaded around the price of a base 2013, should I go for 12' or 13'?
  • I'm considering buying a used Porsche Boxster or Boxster S, and have become aware of the intermediate shaft (IMS) bearing failure problem that has destroyed some M96 and M97 engines.
    I also understand that the later 9A1 (aka MA1) engine design is much simpler, having no intermediate shaft or IMS bearing to fail. My question is: When I'm looking over a used Porsche as a potential buyer, how can I tell, unambiguously, whether the engine in the car is a M96, a M97 or a 9A1 design?

    P.S. I've got conflicting information regarding which model year cars were built with the different engines.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,048
    2009 and up should have the 9A1 engine.

    However, there are retrofit kits available for the earlier engines.

    you can test for IMS bearing failure by cutting the oil filter in half and looking for tell-tale debris. If you catch it in time, you can install the upgrade kit (something like $3,000 installed).

    Most IMS bearing failures recorded come from 1997-2004 cars. So it's unlikely, but not impossible, that a 2004-2008 engine will do this. In fact there are many 1997-2004 engines that have been driven hard for 200,000 miles and have never had a failure. This is why sawing the oil filter in half is a good way to check.

    Also, on a Boxster you can pretty much count on clutch failure around 80,000 miles. In fact, you should budget for it.

    By all means get an "S" if you can afford it. The regular 2.7 is not that fast.

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  • yaa oil chnage is necesary.otherwise it wil decrease my car milage.bt the oil filters can be interchanged if they are same depending upon the cars.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,662
    Habitat - nice to hear your impressions of the new Boxster S. and also, good to see you still hanging out at town hall my friend;)

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    +1 Habitat.

    Still wishing for that S3000 I see.

    I also appreciate your review of the Boxster S. A beautiful car in so many ways - amd arguably the best car in Porches current lineup.

    I do think, like all current Porsches, it has gotten too big. It makes my 993 look like a toy (in a good way).
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