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Cadillac STS/STS-V: What's New for 2007?
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This segment is all about bragging rights, the only thing they have is 100hp/liter.
Cadillac did the right thing by putting in a 400hp corvette engine in the cts-v, it came out 60hp ahead of the next best thing, the audi. Now GM has a 500hp V8 for the covette zo6, WHy not put htat in to the higer line Cadillacs? I don't think there is anything wrong with hot rod cadillacs having corvette motors!
Plus, at 500hp it would tie BMW for the top hp slpt and beat it in the torque curve! WHYGM! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you culod use the money you saved by putting in the corvete motor by dveelopping the cadillac V12 and perhaps a special v8 or v12 for performance, like at least 5liters for v8 and 7 for v12.
GM is so close with these new cadillacs, dont mess up now!
However look at BMWs V12 = 438 hp at 6000 rpm and 444 ft lbs of torque at 3950 rpm. How can the V10 (500hp) make more than the V12 over at BMW. Hell the ("The Mercedes has 465{that's 469 sir), and the bmw has 500!") HAS more hp the the (453 hp) ROLLS ROYCE PHANTOM!
Because Cadillac is a new player, they needed to bow the competition out of the water. And I see your point about the tranny Here is a thought, why not put in the corvettes tranny untill they can make an auto to handle 500hp? Would that not be better?
Meybe not. Meybe ppl want the car to shift for itself in this class, even though it a performance machine. Another fix would be to bolster the existing 5 speed some more so it could handle 500hp.
Or better yet, GM could have waited untill they had al of the pieces right.
Its not a good sign that you are the slowest one right out of the gate. THe car does look awsome though. Hey, why did they not use the same wood trim here on the XLR-V, that would in there looks horrible. The STS-V wood is nice. Meybe they will have a package with it on the steering wheel too.
Any ideas on when the V6AWD will be available and pricing for a loaded one w/ Nav????
Aceman
http://www.arifleet.com/production.html
"Cadillac STS
1SC/1SF/1SG Pkgs. are on hold
(MV3) AWD automatic 5-speed trans is on hold"
And there appear to have been severe constraints on AWD most of the model year - when it was NOT 'on hold'. Thus, I expect that the V6 AWD will be slow in appearing at your local dealer. Theoretically, it will be available for the 2006 model year. Whatever that actually means . . .
Pricing will likely be whatever you mean by 'loaded' now (build on Caddy's web site) plus the same premium commanded (?) for AWD on a 1SG. Unless Caddy has completely lost their minds and actually raise MSRPs for 2006.
- Ray
So very confused by so many things about the STS . . .
Its frustrating that there's a a american car otu there I want and its the one time that it's actually pricier than the competition.
UNREAL.
aceman
The STS is available with awd. Get snow tires and have someone with snow experience teach you how to drive in the snow.
what's the 0-6 and 1/4 mile on both the engines?
anyone??
thx.
Aceman
The STS is the ONLY car in its class that is available with a limited-slip differential.
The new STS posted its best-ever sales last month.
3,541 STSs were sold.
But this is one of the problems GM faces. Consumers think if there isn't $4,000 on the hood and buying at invoice that they are getting ripped off. They've been selling well for us. The STS is one of the best cars out there, but in the luxury market they are competing in, you can't just have a great car. You have to establish yourself. They are getting many new customers in, but the established Caddy customers have been hearing about the wonders of front wheel drive for 2-3 decades and are hesitant to switch back. Maybe that's good? Keep the traditional customer buying the Deville and the rest can choose from the newer models.
Caddy has been at the value end of the luxury spectrum for a while. Most people still "ooh and aah" over Caddys. But the people who actually buy the $50, $60, $70,000 cars have not for a long time.
Caddys cred is coming back. If they continue moving forward and don't sit on their hands for 5-7 years. They may be a few rungs higher in prestige by the end of the decade.
2. Is there $20,000 worth of extras? For that buyer I can see the value. Personally, the STS w/ luxury package would sticker for $43-$44,000 and gives you heated-memory seats and 6 CD changer among a few other things. That may be the best value in that price range. For $20,000 you get V8, DVD Nav, Magnaride, HID's, sunroof, Bose 5.1 surround sound, heated and ventilated front seats w/ heated rear seats, and 18" wheels. I'm sure I'm leaving a few things out. For many drivers it is worth it, but not all.
The M is built on an enlarged version of the G35 platform (RWD) - Maxima is FWD - and used to share a platform with the Infiniti I30 and later I35.
- Ray
Driven 'em all . .
2. Yes there are additional features. However, they may only cost a few thousand to put on the car, so the profit margin is perhaps more than 100%.
I, for one, am hoping for some RWD's from either Buick or Pontiac in a reasonable price range. I expect to drive my FWD Seville for a few more years, so GM does have time to develope RWD in the lower price ranges. I also expect the STS to revise its packaging in the future, although the 2006 model seems to remain more or less as is. The CTS has changed its packaging since 2003.
I see nothing wrong with Cadillac charging as much as possible for the STS, however, it is out of my price range unless there are incentives in excess of $10,000.
The optional packages always give the manufacturer more profit. I don't think it is quite as much as most think, but they make money there. For $50,000 you can get the V6 loaded, so the Northstar is the big mark-up item there. But I think that's smart. 9 out of 10 of my customers who want the V8 would NEVER consider the V6. There is status in the V8 and they want the top of the line.
The magnetic ride is about $1500 on a Corvette...
HID headlights are $500....
Sunroofs are $1200...
The other odds and ends are worth something, but for $10000 more than the luxury package V8, I think that the premium luxury performance package probably only costs $5000 more to build.
Like I said, the options are where a chunk of the mark-up are.
The point that I have been making is that the STS appears to be priced at a high profit level, particularly the V8. There is nothing wrong with that, but in the long run I think they will lose sales.
The loaded V8 is probably selling for a proportionally higher profit. Maybe Caddy should have done what Lexus did and price them artificially low to establish (or in Caddys instance, reestablish themselves).
Yeah. I think they could turn a lot around by taking LaCrosse, Malibu, etc. and actually pricing them closer to transaction prices. They are supposed to do that but I have yet to see that. The HHR looks to be priced well. We'll see on Cobalt.
Imagine 4-cyl G6 starting at $15,995. LaCrosse at $19,995. Top of the line LaCrosse at around $30-31. That might catch peoples attention. Oh, Well!!!
Without the "maybe", I agree 100%. They should have done (should do) exactly this.
Now I am only 1 (potential) customer. But my sense is that (today) GM needs sales. Caddy has a good product here. (Other GM divisions really are struggling – I think I saw Pontiac with 30+% off vs. last year-to-date as of the end of April.)
I will be very interested to see if Caddy offers larger rebates in the coming months - and if they address the (my) base price / MSRP issue and / or the option availability issues for 2006.
Well, again – they are issues for me. And (driving a 2003 Lincoln LS V8 Sport right now) I would have thought I’d be on their radar as a potential STS “conquest” sale . . . Apparently not.
- Ray
Obviously not nearly as smart as the Marketing Geniuses at GM . .
Thanks,
Jeannine Fallon
Corporate Communications
Edmunds.com
I drive a 2000 300M that I purchased new in March 2000 and it has all the toys including nav and HID headlights. I paid $29,500 after adding in the add-ons that I purchased and installed after buying the car. Runs and still looks like new with close to 90k miles on the clock. I will keep it for at least one more year and then will probably consider buying the newly redesigned Avalon Limited as I consider it a much better value and it depreciates less compared to the STS. But I do like the STS more than any car out there right now. But to get all the toys I want with the v6 model, I would be looking at about $55k. I can get the Avalon for about $35k after discounts and it will be loaded to the max with HIDs, Nav, pushbutton door opening and starting, remote start, climate and radio controls on the steering wheel and a 280hp v6 engine with 5 speed manumatic tranny. And the Av gets 22 city, 31 hwy mpg yet still does the quarter mile in 14.9 seconds and 0 to 60 in 6.5 seconds according to Motor Trend. And you also get Toyota dependability.
If you have the bucks to blow and don't mind overpaying for a brand new model, go out and buy one. Life is short. The STS looks to be a fantastic driving car with all the creature comforts. I wouldn't mind buying one myself except that the price, although I feel I could afford it, is a bit high compared to the competition. But top of the line BMWs and Mercedes will set you back even more. Great car ---just a bit too high priced for my tastes.
Thank goodness that most people in this forum sound like they are "feelin" the New Cadillac STS, so I can keep my blasting to a minimum. The price point on the new STS is better than ever!!!! which is exactly what GM-Cadillac had intended to do with this all new designed flagship vehicle. I challenge you to get up... get off that computer of yours and actually take a dr-walk down to those local dealers that you are so quick to mention and actually price these vehicles....What you will find is the new STS is priced well below the competion the Lexus, Mercedes, Audi and the BMW I'm talkin about same class vehicles of course. I will even take it 1 step further, euippment to euippment and option for option the Cadillac STS is the best value in its class. Meaning gravolvo that you get more bang for yor buck. Please try and prove me wrong. I can save you some time though, Im staring at a current comparison guide as I speak. Now a word to my friends the ones that are considering the new STS. My advice to you is get one now! the prices will be going up for the 06 model yr. Remember when the 02 Escalade came out, (I remember I was selling them). MSRP was 52k and change. x^)
not sure if you would consider it the same class of cars, but for bang for the buck I would like to get your opinion of the new Avalon. It has an all new body, new engine, and new interior. To me it appears more luxury than sport, but has some nice sporty touches like the wheels with 17 inch Michelins, the dual exhaust, buckets, wood trim, and loads of toys. It maxes out at about $37k list. The handling I am sure is not on par with the STS but it is adequate for normal type driving. It's a bit softer ride than the STS but it's liveable--much better than previous Avalons. And it has the Toyota reliability and lower depreciation. The reviews I have read have been very positive and they often compare it to the Lexus in features and ride quality. And you'll pay about 18k less than the STS for a comparably equipped vehicle.
I drove the STS recently at a show where you could drive all different brands and models of cars all in the same afternnoon on a course they set up. I was very much impressed with the ride, handling, and level of luxury and sportiness. But I have a hard time paying over $40k for a new car--not that I can't afford it, but I guess I'm practical. I also like the BMW 530i and would like to see a comparison done between the STS and the BMW. The Avalon is probably not in the same class as the STS but it's pretty nice for the price.
The Avalon is a lot of car for the money, but it is not a sports sedan.
Boss X^)