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Cadillac STS/STS-V: What's New for 2007?

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  • zekeceezekecee Posts: 1
    did you ever get an answer??? I have a SRX 2005. I need that as well!!!
    Thanks
  • in terms of rear seat room? I know it has slightly more than the CTS, but does it have as much as the E class, BMW 5, GS or M35/45?

    Does it comfortably fit a six foot tall person, without hitting the front seats? Here is one interesting thing, how about an STS Long Wheel Base?

    Probably save that one for the higher up line like... XTS??? They already have the XLR, why not a 75K sedan?

    The seat room in the STS is what really interests me, though. Caddy could be loosing potential sales here.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    has been upgraded to 469 horsepower.
  • bobt4bobt4 Posts: 1
    On some Freeways where I live and many streets my new 05 STS gives a very rough (bumpy) ride. I don't know if it is because I am used to a Buick Park Ave, but it seems to me to be excessive. My car's tires are Michelins, P255/45 R17 on the rear and P235/50 R17 on the front. A person I met driving a CTS told me he had solved the bumpy/rough ride by increasing the size of his tires to 55 from 50. My dealer is willing to replace my tires at a reasonable price but they propose putting on 50 on front AND BACK and changing to a softer tire than the Michelin. I am concerned about increasing the size of only the back tire (45 to 50) because the car already is low in front and high in the back, and this would seem to tilt it even more. Has anyone had any experience with tire size and ride quality? And what do you think about changing only the rear tire size?
    BobT4
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    A P235/50 R17 would be nearly the same size as your 255/45's. Your 255/45 are about 115 mm high (ground to rim), a 235/50 is about 117 mm high. A bit higher, so your rear end would be even more tilted (about 3 mm->or 1/8 inch). But this is nearly the same size, so your speedometer will not be off much.
  • baltomanbaltoman Posts: 43
    I can't comment on tire size changing. But I can offer the following: Like you, I drove a Park Ave. Then traded up to a Park Ave Ultra. The Ultra ride was stiffer - but better cornering, better control. Then I moved into the STS. Yet an even stiffer ride - with much better control. You have bought Luxury Sports Sedan. Built to compete with BMW 5, Infiniti M35.45, etc. If you wanted the "floating sofa" ride that a base PA offers, you bought the wrong car. But if you wanted a great Luxury Sports Sedan, you bought the best. And made in the USA ! It took me a month or more to adjust to the ride, steering, and smaller size. In return I got performance, control, a more sensible size, top build quality, Lexus-like service, great styling and larger dose of the "wow" factor.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    What is your real world mpg with your STS? Is it a 6 or 8? I've held off shopping them until I get a real world idea of the mpg I can expect. My wife's 00 Eldo does 32 mpg on the highway at 70 mph and about 23 mpg around town. I don't expect that good with the bigger STS engine, but one guy reported 14 mpg on his first tankful and that is unacceptable. :shades:
  • mnjoemnjoe Posts: 36
    with less than a thousand miles on my new car, the internal mpg computer is reporting 17.5-18 mpg in mixed driving. Haven't ran the numbers myself.
  • baltomanbaltoman Posts: 43
    STS with V6. 4000 Miles. 24.5 Hwy 16.5 - 17 City. Calculated by hand. The V8 is rated better on the Hwy and less in the city. Regular gas for the V6 V6 is real torquey and fun to drive. Almost the same performance off the line. V8 really shines at full throttle above 60.
  • merrelmerrel Posts: 45
    I purchased my 13th Cadillac on Saturday August 6, 2005- and the first one in ten years. The V6 is loaded with super electronics, car rides very well. I just do not understand how you must purchase 'A PACKAGE' in order to get a garage door opener!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had to get out the old style remote and clip it onto the sun-visor.
    What are those Detroit engineers smoking these days!
  • volvodan1volvodan1 Posts: 196
    I just sold a STS last week to a customer who bought a base model. She didn't care about Onstar so we put in a rearview mirror w/ Homelink, compass, & temp integrated for about $450. I think if you forego the compass & temp it's $325-$350.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    I agree. I was shocked when I bought the wife a new 00 Eldo and it did not have either a garaged door opener or a CD player. We traded in a 96 Aurora at the time and it had 3 buttons to open 3 different electronic doors and a CD in the dash. I ended up getting the opener for $100 and had a CD player [both items OEM]put in the trunk for about $500. What a rip. Anyway, that is my biggest issue with the STS, the way you can't get a few options of your choice, like Magnetic Selective Ride and spoiler but have to get the whole luxury package that can run $11K, and have stuff you don't want, like a moon roof. They really blew it with that policy. :shades:
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    while many of us waiting eagerly for this car to debut, and were overjoyed to hear about the testing in Germany, etc, the end result has not lived up to the hype. In my humble opinion, Caddy marketing folks should have to walk the plank on this one. No AWD on the V6. Allowing the "bean counters" to cheapen the interior materials (seriously folks, how many friggin dollars are "saved" off the MSRP by doing this, and at what ultimate "price" when customers liken the end result to a Hyundai and buy something else that is more expensive but "looks great"??); packaged options that made the car ridiculously expensive compared to better performing competitors; etc, etc. In my humble opinion, Cadillac blew it on the STS, compared to "what could have been". Simply adding a couple of hundred bucks to the base price and providing top tier interior materials would have helped launch this baby on the right track (note: whether you like it or not, Audi now has the rep for the best interiors on the planet which carries them even when their cars don't perform as well as their competitors). Why this is such a hard lesson for Cadillac and GM to learn is beyond me. If the GM brass want Caddy to challenge the Mercs, BMWs and Lexi of the world, then they need to do more than run some cars around a track in Germany. What an opportunity, but now Caddy is seen as "sixth place" in comparisons vs. their foreign competition and will have to dig out of a hole that they should not have gotten into in the first place.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    Well, I think that the performance packages are priced too high. The magnetic shocks are a performance item. The STS's interior is much nicer than the CTS's, which I think is what it might have been without Lutz's intervention. The SRX interior is probably what was planned for the STS. One problem with the comparison tests has been that the STS is the highest priced car but not the best of "show" in all categories. So the STS comes off looking way over priced. With the performance items I think that the STS does perform well, but with the luxury package, it is not a sports sedan even though the price tag is much better.
  • bigjaybigjay Posts: 26
    Ummm... I'm choosing my words VERY carefully here.... The new STS is a boring car! The styling says: "Buick!" The interior says: "Rental!" Nothing about that car says: "I cost $60 grand!"

    These new "Origami" styling cues that Cadillac is using look...cheap...dull...and non discript! Nothing about it says Premium Luxury Car. When people see it...they don't know (or care) what they are looking at. There is no "OOOOHH! Factor."

    Visualize this scene: You're standing near the Auto Valet at a nice resort Hotel and the Bellmen are pulling the luxo cars up under the canopy over the front door of the Hotel for their customers. They are bringing up the usual stream of Mercedes, Jags, and Lexus's. People recognize everyone of these brands instantly.

    Now, if an Audi A8 shows up, all eyes are instantly on that. But, if a new Maseratti 4Port rolls in, all bets are off people are all looking at that. Then there are the cars that live in the automotive stratosphere, ie: Bentleys, Rollers, and Maybachs.

    However, if an STS is anywhere in the mix, it simply becomes invisable! It's so bland that it literally disapears into the background, even if it is the car directly in front of you!

    But it gets worse!

    Once you've entered the STS and look around the interior, the question remains: "What kind of car is this again?" If you are in the front seat, at least the wood faced center console is attractive, but not breath taking.

    These days, fancy dashes are common. In fact, wild upholsery colors and details are becoming common! It's the fit and finish of the STS that disgusts me. It's dismal! Look at the seams around the back of the front seats! They're horrible!

    Then there is the matter of performance. The XJ8, the A8, the A6, the M45, the LS 430, the 540I, any E Class, heck, the Pontiac GXP and even the $32k Impala SS will smoke the STS! Even a little Lincoln LS is more fun to drive and costs less!

    It's no wonder GM is hemoraging! They are building ho-hum stuff! I can tolerate ho-hum on a Chevy or even a Buick, but there is no excuse for it on a Cadillac! If I'm gonna spend $60k on a status car...I want status! I don't to have to explain it or worse defend it! I want people to see it, envy it, and be impressd by it! I don't want them to yawn!
  • baltomanbaltoman Posts: 43
    Regarding
    "Ummm... I'm choosing my words VERY carefully here"

    Apparently you haven't seen STS sales figures for recent months.

    So do yourself a favor and don't buy one.

    Now you can move on to the Corolla forum and discuss cars you like.
  • If you're into "status" I think you're at the wrong website. This is about vehicles NOT that GQ stuff. Is the STS OVERPRICED? Absolutely. Is it a good car? Sure. Would I buy one? Yeah, as long as somebody else is paying for it. The sales #'s on the STS are due to this employee discount stuff. As for the Lincoln LS? You're 100% correct. One can be bought for thousands LESS than the STS.
  • Another great STS and STS-V site starting.
    http://www.cadillacfaq.com/stsfaq/

    Its got some good videos and information.

    I think the STS-V is going to be HOT....

    Reed
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,580
    I agree with you; you said it well. It is a reason why I didn't buy the STS.

    However.....coming to this site and saying that may be like telling someone at their house that their daughter is ugly.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    I would say the Lincoln is closer to the CTS than the STS. The luxury STS V8 is priced right where the old Seville was priced. However, I think that the old Seville interior was nicer looking. As for the sales, the STS was selling quite well before the employee price game plan started.

    Cadillac can certainly charge as much as they like for the STS, but I think that the roughly $10,000 premium for the performance package is more than it is worth. GM is losing money, so what price tag makes sense is not for me to say. My 2002 Seville was priced at $50,000, so the luxury STS priced around $52,000 is not bad. My local dealer has 3 under that price. With the employee discount, the actual price is even less.
  • bigjay weren't you also on the 500 forum?

    anywhay, the STS is a bit overpriced, but i don't think the interrior is underpar. Meybe they could have surrounded the rear-vents with some wood like in the front of the dash, and put more wood on the door panels, but toherwise it seems fine to me.

    the only fearutes lacking are the "turining" headlamps and a rear-parking camera.

    if you don't like the style of the STS, by all means get something else, but with all due respect, the 500 has more style going for it than the new impala. I hope all of these cars do well, but just put them side by side and the 500 will be the one to stand out.

    The STS looks like an adult, full fledged luxury car. Its not the escallade of its segment, but then again the STS never was, as far as i know.

    I have seen plenty of them around, and as soon as you notice one, it gives an air of price and stature to it. It is a very well planted car with (especially form the side view) a very expensive appearance. Cadillac should ease up on the options and lower the price though, that V8 premium is a bit high.

    Did you know the door on the STS are triple sealed, and are made with a "dutch hem" design not done my lexus or mercedes?
  • mnjoemnjoe Posts: 36
    Anyone had much luck with the Bluetooth connectivity on the 2005 STS? My Cingular Audiovox works sporadically and inconsistently at best. Any advice appreciated. How about the voice commands? Again, lots of problems. I ask for a radio station and it turns off my air conditioner. Any advice appreciated. Ride, comfort, and handling are a dream.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    The new STS-V's Northstar Supercharged V-8 was recently rated at 469 hp at 6,400 rpm and 439 lb-ft of torque at 3,900 rpm.

    The new STS-V has lapped the Nordschleife circuit of the Nurburgring in 8:30. The new STS-V has more power than the XLR-V thanks the greater underhood space that allows more induction and exhaust capacity.
  • Then jusk ask it to turn off your A/C and maybe it'll turn on your radio. Reverse psychology 101.
  • bigjaybigjay Posts: 26
    Yes I was on the 500 Forum. When I first started looking for a new car I looked at everything. I eagerly anticpated the arrival of the new STS and when I finally got to drive one I was as I stated above, underwhelmed.

    It so happens that where I live, there is an auto mall. The Cadillac dealer is located directly next to the Ford dealer. On the same night that I saw/drove the STS, I ruled it out the almost immediately. Then I walked over to the Ford dealer and was astonished at the fit and finish of the 500.

    Remember, despite the Matt Lauer/AARP segment on the Today Show, I really like the 500. My gripe with it is, as I stated, the lack of horsepower and the geriatric stigma the AARP guy put on the 500.

    As far as being on two sites and having opinions about more than one current product offering, what's wrong with that? You're contributing to discussions on two sites.
  • bigjaybigjay Posts: 26
    I agree that this site is about vehicles, but when one is discussing the total package, especially when talking about premium cars, performance, image and prestige are all part of the conversation.

    My reason for posting such an acerbic message, was mostly to send a message to the guys at GM. I guess I figured that if I could tugg a nerve with a few people on this site, and if the comments that followed supported my theme, then maybe the guys at the design lab at GM would take note of the consumer "field intelligence" we're offering and work on the problem.

    Bottom line, because of the underwhelming impression of the STS made on me, GM, specifically Cadillac, lost my consumer marketshare and mindshare. Let's not forget, car companies are "for profit" enterprises. They need my business and your business, one car at a time. Unfortunately, the current STS cost them my brand loyalty.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,506
    "
    I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the GM boardroom -

    "Dang, we lost Bigjay!”

    "

    While I appreciate the (I presume) humor in your post, the reality is that the STS also lost me as a (potential) customer – and many others. . .

    And although the loss of any single customer may seem like a big deal, I believe that in the car business, where most customers only buy 1 car at a time, and only every 3 or 4 or 5 years, the loss of 1 customer does need to be looked at – at least superficially. . And where Caddy sells only 10% or so of the volume of Chevy (for example), every 1 lost sale is (or ought to be) even more important to Caddy.

    I believe that I fall within Caddy’s stated demographic target for the STS V8. As previously (recently) buying 2 Lincoln LS V8s (since 1999 – a Y2K and a 2003), I actually think that I am close to the ideal “conquest” STS sale. I even buy new cars more frequently than any sane person would . .

    There were several factors that drove me away from the STS. STS V8 (performance variant) pricing and option bundling were 2 issues. There were others.

    For example: If someone (today) put a gun to my head and demanded: “Choose between an Infiniti M45 Sport (no options) and an STS V8 as well equipped as possible for the same Transaction Price as the M45.” - I would choose the M45 Sport immediately without hesitation and without any reservations.

    This does NOT mean that I don’t think the STS is a good car. But I do not believe that it represents (even at GM Employee Pricing for a 2005 = $52K for a Lux. Perf. with MSRP = approx. $59K) a terrific value. For several reasons, I see the Infiniti as a better value.

    And in my test drives, more fun.

    But that’s just 1 (lost) customer’s opinion.

    - Ray
    Waddo I know???
  • baltomanbaltoman Posts: 43
    I agree the Infiniti M3/45 is a great car. It was my second choice. But Infiniti lost my sale - like GM lost your sale.

    The STS outsells the M's every month. And the CTS outsells the G series almost 2 to 1. In fact, the CTS is fast becoming a big hit with the 30 and under crowd.

    In terms of performance and quality , I saw little difference. Both had strong and weak points, I chose the STS based on style and being an American product.

    Some people like the continual, indistinct and safe generic styling of Asian cars. Personally, I like Cadillac's " in your face " look. Bold and American through and through. And as a business owner, I like spending my dollars on quality American products.
  • stilesstiles Posts: 6
    I lost interest in Cadillac after they miniturized the Eldorado in the 90's and moved over to Lincoln. The older town cars were a dream, but again the manufacturers had to fool with the design and made a big sloppy living room on wheels.
    I cannot express what a delight the STS is too drive (this comes from an old race car driver who has owned nearly 100 cars).
    I love surprising the fools at the redlight that think its a stagnent old Cadillac.
    Sure there are things that could be improved, the glove compartment is worthless,
    and dont plan on a lot of bags when you go on vacation (oh, for that Lincoln trunk!);
    you cant find the garage buttons at night and I just paid to have a connection plug put in for my radar detector, so the wire was not all over the dash.
    But the looks and handling make up for all its faults.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The big FWD Eldorado was the 1971-78 models. But the smallest Eldorado was the 1986-1991 models. The 1992 Eldorado was a decent sized car, larger than the current STS.
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