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Cadillac STS/STS-V: What's New for 2007?
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You will NOT be disappointed in the new STS if you are looking for a true
sports sedan combing performance, luxury, technology and, with the current deals, real value. I tested them all - Audi, MB, Lexus, BMW, Acura, and Infiniti.
Only the Infiniti M35/45 came close. More "toys" for the dollar, but "just another jelly-bean looking" car. The STS has a unique bold, edgy style. The icing on the cake? - it's Made in America!
My sense is that a 1SF (MSRP: $58,785) for $51,930, with limits on fees, etc. represents a reasonable value - assuming the dealer offers a realistic value on any trade involved.
[[ Edit: The Edmunds TMV has clearly NOT been updated to reflect 'The GMS Effect" - and still shows $58,3 as TMV for a 1SF STS V8 with MSRP: $58,8. ]]
- Ray
Debating if talking with a dealer is worth the time . . .
I know that my Seville is worth more to me than anyone else....
You guys that bought the STS, how is the interrior like for you, with noise and all that?
If you want one buy now with employee discount. Will not get cheaper.
I have the code for the DHS,DTS,CTS,SRX and XLR but I cant figure out the STS yet. Serious inquiry's only please.
BOSS
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BOSS
;^ )
(2) Why endanger yourself?
(3) Why endanger other drivers?
It is common knowledge at this point in time that cell phones while driving are distracting to drivers and according to the latest cell phone study released yesterday they found that even the hands free cell phones make people 4 times more likely to get into accidents. Cell phones don't require vision to get information from the phone accept during the generally small period of time it takes to dial a number. A movie on a display in a car requires visual attention, not just your hearing the movies audio. Why would you ever watch a movie while you are driving? That is not too smart. I'll be honest with you, if I ever clearly saw a driver watch a movie on a display in their car as they were on the highway, I would call the cops in a heartbeat. Clearly if you are looking at a movie instead of watching the road ahead of you, you are on par with the impaired abilities of a drunk driver in terms of your of driving. - Just because you might be able to defeat the DVD operation while driving the car doesn't mean you should. The DVD's nav. operating in park was put into the car as safety feature and perhaps should be treated as such that shouldn't be defeated. You defeat that system and you cause a death from negligence you'll have wished you never messed with it in the first place. - :mad:
Thanks.
By not letting yourself enjoy something because it kills stupid people, then you are calling yourself stupid. In my case, i would never watch it while i was driving, but meybe so my passangers could watch it while we were driving (including the front passenger).
Obviously im not going to ask for a code here, the host just said we should not talk about it. I agree that idiots should be kept from watching dvds while the car is driving, but you know what, the rest of us should not have to pay for an idiots mistake.
Thanks
Does it comfortably fit a six foot tall person, without hitting the front seats? Here is one interesting thing, how about an STS Long Wheel Base?
Probably save that one for the higher up line like... XTS??? They already have the XLR, why not a 75K sedan?
The seat room in the STS is what really interests me, though. Caddy could be loosing potential sales here.
BobT4
What are those Detroit engineers smoking these days!
These new "Origami" styling cues that Cadillac is using look...cheap...dull...and non discript! Nothing about it says Premium Luxury Car. When people see it...they don't know (or care) what they are looking at. There is no "OOOOHH! Factor."
Visualize this scene: You're standing near the Auto Valet at a nice resort Hotel and the Bellmen are pulling the luxo cars up under the canopy over the front door of the Hotel for their customers. They are bringing up the usual stream of Mercedes, Jags, and Lexus's. People recognize everyone of these brands instantly.
Now, if an Audi A8 shows up, all eyes are instantly on that. But, if a new Maseratti 4Port rolls in, all bets are off people are all looking at that. Then there are the cars that live in the automotive stratosphere, ie: Bentleys, Rollers, and Maybachs.
However, if an STS is anywhere in the mix, it simply becomes invisable! It's so bland that it literally disapears into the background, even if it is the car directly in front of you!
But it gets worse!
Once you've entered the STS and look around the interior, the question remains: "What kind of car is this again?" If you are in the front seat, at least the wood faced center console is attractive, but not breath taking.
These days, fancy dashes are common. In fact, wild upholsery colors and details are becoming common! It's the fit and finish of the STS that disgusts me. It's dismal! Look at the seams around the back of the front seats! They're horrible!
Then there is the matter of performance. The XJ8, the A8, the A6, the M45, the LS 430, the 540I, any E Class, heck, the Pontiac GXP and even the $32k Impala SS will smoke the STS! Even a little Lincoln LS is more fun to drive and costs less!
It's no wonder GM is hemoraging! They are building ho-hum stuff! I can tolerate ho-hum on a Chevy or even a Buick, but there is no excuse for it on a Cadillac! If I'm gonna spend $60k on a status car...I want status! I don't to have to explain it or worse defend it! I want people to see it, envy it, and be impressd by it! I don't want them to yawn!
"Ummm... I'm choosing my words VERY carefully here"
Apparently you haven't seen STS sales figures for recent months.
So do yourself a favor and don't buy one.
Now you can move on to the Corolla forum and discuss cars you like.
http://www.cadillacfaq.com/stsfaq/
Its got some good videos and information.
I think the STS-V is going to be HOT....
Reed
However.....coming to this site and saying that may be like telling someone at their house that their daughter is ugly.
Cadillac can certainly charge as much as they like for the STS, but I think that the roughly $10,000 premium for the performance package is more than it is worth. GM is losing money, so what price tag makes sense is not for me to say. My 2002 Seville was priced at $50,000, so the luxury STS priced around $52,000 is not bad. My local dealer has 3 under that price. With the employee discount, the actual price is even less.
anywhay, the STS is a bit overpriced, but i don't think the interrior is underpar. Meybe they could have surrounded the rear-vents with some wood like in the front of the dash, and put more wood on the door panels, but toherwise it seems fine to me.
the only fearutes lacking are the "turining" headlamps and a rear-parking camera.
if you don't like the style of the STS, by all means get something else, but with all due respect, the 500 has more style going for it than the new impala. I hope all of these cars do well, but just put them side by side and the 500 will be the one to stand out.
The STS looks like an adult, full fledged luxury car. Its not the escallade of its segment, but then again the STS never was, as far as i know.
I have seen plenty of them around, and as soon as you notice one, it gives an air of price and stature to it. It is a very well planted car with (especially form the side view) a very expensive appearance. Cadillac should ease up on the options and lower the price though, that V8 premium is a bit high.
Did you know the door on the STS are triple sealed, and are made with a "dutch hem" design not done my lexus or mercedes?
The new STS-V has lapped the Nordschleife circuit of the Nurburgring in 8:30. The new STS-V has more power than the XLR-V thanks the greater underhood space that allows more induction and exhaust capacity.
It so happens that where I live, there is an auto mall. The Cadillac dealer is located directly next to the Ford dealer. On the same night that I saw/drove the STS, I ruled it out the almost immediately. Then I walked over to the Ford dealer and was astonished at the fit and finish of the 500.
Remember, despite the Matt Lauer/AARP segment on the Today Show, I really like the 500. My gripe with it is, as I stated, the lack of horsepower and the geriatric stigma the AARP guy put on the 500.
As far as being on two sites and having opinions about more than one current product offering, what's wrong with that? You're contributing to discussions on two sites.
My reason for posting such an acerbic message, was mostly to send a message to the guys at GM. I guess I figured that if I could tugg a nerve with a few people on this site, and if the comments that followed supported my theme, then maybe the guys at the design lab at GM would take note of the consumer "field intelligence" we're offering and work on the problem.
Bottom line, because of the underwhelming impression of the STS made on me, GM, specifically Cadillac, lost my consumer marketshare and mindshare. Let's not forget, car companies are "for profit" enterprises. They need my business and your business, one car at a time. Unfortunately, the current STS cost them my brand loyalty.
I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the GM boardroom -
"Dang, we lost Bigjay!”
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While I appreciate the (I presume) humor in your post, the reality is that the STS also lost me as a (potential) customer – and many others. . .
And although the loss of any single customer may seem like a big deal, I believe that in the car business, where most customers only buy 1 car at a time, and only every 3 or 4 or 5 years, the loss of 1 customer does need to be looked at – at least superficially. . And where Caddy sells only 10% or so of the volume of Chevy (for example), every 1 lost sale is (or ought to be) even more important to Caddy.
I believe that I fall within Caddy’s stated demographic target for the STS V8. As previously (recently) buying 2 Lincoln LS V8s (since 1999 – a Y2K and a 2003), I actually think that I am close to the ideal “conquest” STS sale. I even buy new cars more frequently than any sane person would . .
There were several factors that drove me away from the STS. STS V8 (performance variant) pricing and option bundling were 2 issues. There were others.
For example: If someone (today) put a gun to my head and demanded: “Choose between an Infiniti M45 Sport (no options) and an STS V8 as well equipped as possible for the same Transaction Price as the M45.” - I would choose the M45 Sport immediately without hesitation and without any reservations.
This does NOT mean that I don’t think the STS is a good car. But I do not believe that it represents (even at GM Employee Pricing for a 2005 = $52K for a Lux. Perf. with MSRP = approx. $59K) a terrific value. For several reasons, I see the Infiniti as a better value.
And in my test drives, more fun.
But that’s just 1 (lost) customer’s opinion.
- Ray
Waddo I know???
The STS outsells the M's every month. And the CTS outsells the G series almost 2 to 1. In fact, the CTS is fast becoming a big hit with the 30 and under crowd.
In terms of performance and quality , I saw little difference. Both had strong and weak points, I chose the STS based on style and being an American product.
Some people like the continual, indistinct and safe generic styling of Asian cars. Personally, I like Cadillac's " in your face " look. Bold and American through and through. And as a business owner, I like spending my dollars on quality American products.
I cannot express what a delight the STS is too drive (this comes from an old race car driver who has owned nearly 100 cars).
I love surprising the fools at the redlight that think its a stagnent old Cadillac.
Sure there are things that could be improved, the glove compartment is worthless,
and dont plan on a lot of bags when you go on vacation (oh, for that Lincoln trunk!);
you cant find the garage buttons at night and I just paid to have a connection plug put in for my radar detector, so the wire was not all over the dash.
But the looks and handling make up for all its faults.