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Cadillac STS/STS-V: What's New for 2007?

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  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    GM's options scheme is not limited to the STS or even Cadillac. Other cars are offered with different options on certain trims. BMW offers only one axle ratio with a particular engine/transmission combination I think. I do not really see the point in the different axle gears, except for the EPA rating. By making the high performance packages exceedingly expensive, they probably sell a small enough number that the base gears are used for the fuel economy rating.

    I still think that the optimum axle ratio should change with the six speed automatic for best performance.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The media site has released the 2007 STS stuff. The base axle ratio is 3.42:1 for all V8 trim levels as well as the V6. This gives an overall ratio of 2.29:1 in top gear for the V8, compared to 2.05 for the base V8 with 2.73:1 gears last year.

    It seems to me, after reviewing and thinking more about what you posted above, that what you want is the top of the line STS with all the performance junk, at a V6 price. That is not really a reasonable expectation.
  • Edmunds says that one of the cons of the STS is the front bucket seats. Too hard or something like that. I would appreciate any comments regarding the comfort of the front seats. I am considering an STS and cannot abide hard seats a la Lexus, Honda, etc. Thanks.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    Since I have posted here with some regularity, I thought I’d post a ( likely ) final message . . . At least for quite a while.

    After driving several STS V8s, including the second STS-v delivered locally, I decided to order a 2007 Corvette Coupe. For many reasons.

    Details of my test drive impressions are posted on the Corvette forums here on Edmunds. I in no way mean to suggest that the Corvette is a competitor to the STS in any traditional sense.

    I happen right now to be in a situation where a back seat is no longer an absolute requirement for me. And I have decided to take the opportunity to buy a corvette. With many of the comfort & convenience items that I have found attractive on the STS. ( Again, details of my option choices, and why, are posted in the Corvette Forums. ) Thus equipped, I see the Corvette as more GT than “pure sports car” – but others will disagree.

    I see the C6, as of MY 2006 ( with the addition of the A6 trans. ) as a world class GT car and a world class bargain.

    Not cheap, mind you. The MSRP of the one I ordered is over $10,000 more than my 2003 LS. And the actual transaction price is higher by even more . . .

    Carpe C6.

    Cheers y’all.
    - Ray
    2007 Corvette on order & counting the days . . .
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,310
    I'm driving my Mother's '05 STS. My "normal car" is a BMW 3 series.

    I find the Caddy's seats more comfortable. They don't have the bolstering of the BMW's seats, but that's both a blessing and a curse. The Caddy's seats seem to have more/better padding material. Plus, the leather in the Caddy seems to be much softer than that in the BMW.

    In fast driving, on lots of switchbacks, I'll take the BMW's seats. In everyday, around town driving, I'll take the Caddy's seats. On a long highway trip? Caddy.....hands down.
  • find the materials on the STS, are they up to BMW spec, according to you at least?

    Also, what STS is it? I was wondering if anyone has driven the new 6 speed STS and an STS4 of any years, just to find out how the AWD system is.

    you know, there is not as big a difference between a fully loaded (with every option) STS4 and a STSV :surprise:
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    :shades: Got a STS V6 lux for an overnight drive. Sticker at just under $53K. Love the nav. setup and Bose. I think it rides great. Firm, but not harsh just like my 99 STS did. The V6 really surprised me as I wondered going in if I would be happy with it. Plenty of power and all wheel drive too. Will be buying it. My price is 46,300 minus the 2145 for the free Nav. that Caddy is offering until the end of the year. Black on Black with sunroof :shades:
  • That's a cool color combo,

    Did you get the wood interrior? I know some interriors have wood on the dash, but not the steering wheel and shifter :confuse:

    You know, if they just lower the price a bit, they would not have to offer all these rebates... we will see i guess.

    You got a good deal, though. I would expect to pay that much for a V6 Nav AWD. Let us know how its doing! ;)
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Took it back on Sat. morning after keeping it overnight and my sales guy was off for the day. We went back Sunday and saw the exact same STS except in the Red. Wife loved it as we have a Colorado 4 X 4 crewcab that is black so she and I agreed should get something different. The red is a premium paint $$$ so I didn't suggest it at the time. Yes both the black and the red have the wood on the dash, steering wheel, and shifter. It really looks sharp. Picked it up last night and have 34 whole miles on it. Funny thing is the black had the same 9 miles on it when I took it home and 99 when I bought it back Sat. Salesman also gave me a Caddy coat to go with the car. I'm GM retired so got it at GMS and $2145 rebate for the nav. and $1000 retired bonus.
  • Are you saying that GM let you test drive the car for a whole day, and then you could take it back, and just switch for a different model? THATS SO AWESOME!

    One of the few incentive programs, that I thought was really worth anything was that 'drive for a day' program, because it didn't really lower the value of the car, they didn't offer you a discount, just a prolonged test drive.

    Anywhay, more GM dealers should offer the kind of service you had to there customers, that would help with sales and image.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    GM had nothing to do with the overnight drive. Capitol Cadillac in Lansing is a first rate dealer and this was the salesmans call. Dropped it off on a Sat. morning and since my salesman wasn't in that day gave it to the sales manager. All he said was how did you like it. No pressure to buy or anything. Called the salesman Monday morning and told him we decided not to buy that car. He said no problem. That is when I said we decided we like the exact same STS except in the Red. I would come in after work and see what the price was and if we would buy or lease. Got there that afternoon and he had a red one sitting there all detailed and ready to go if we still wanted it. Gave him my GMS #, $1K certificate for being a GM retired person and we figured out the price. Through in the fabric protection, paint protection, and a Caddy jacket. Walked out with a new car and a big smile on my face.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,310
    Might be a little late in answering your question....

    But, build quality in both the BMW and the Caddy are very good. I'm trying to split time in both cars. I don't want my mother's STS to sit much...and I don't want to put a pile of miles on my BMW.

    BMW outhandles the Caddy. But the Caddy feels faster. The more I drive the Caddy, the more I'm getting used to it's driving characteristics. It's a very fluid drive.

    It's an AWD V8 STS. When she bought it, she got all the bells and whistles. I'd bet she never even used the Nav or the surround sound. All the radio presets were on "talk radio". Stereo is very good in the STS....probably one of the best factory systems I've ever heard. My one pet peeve with the navi in the Caddy is the fact it won't let you use a lot of the functions once the car gets above 6 MPH. Whereas, in the BMW, all the funcions can be used while driving.

    Seats are more comfy in the Caddy. It has some nice bolsters, but they aren't too hard. My BMW's "comfort access" (keyless start, personalization settings, etc) gets crossed up on occasion (doors won't unlock unless I use the fob, instead of me just touching the door handle...mirros fold in when I don't want them to). The remote start and keyless start/personliaztion on the Caddy works flawlessly, so far. I'm betting I find the remote start usefull this winter to warm up the car when it gets real cold.

    MPG is mediocre in the Caddy. I'm getting about 16-17 MPG in city driving. It gets about 27-28 MPG on the hgiway, though. My BMW's city MPG is better, but the Caddy's highway MPG is better.

    It's really too bad that Cadillac doesn't do a better job of marketing. This is the first American brand I've liked in quite a few years.

    They're really two different cars...the STS and the BMW, in two different classes. The BMW is a sports sedan, first and foremost. I think the STS has some sportiness tuned into it, but it's job is a luxury car. I don't know what my mother paid for the Caddy, but I'd bet is was about $10K more than I paid for the BMW. The Caddy is bigger all the way around over the 330i. Neither has even a hint of a squeak or rattle. Both are very nice cars.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    I see a 'short take' ( 1 page ) on the 2008 V6 STS in the C+D that arrived today...
    - Ray
    Sounds worth a test drive......
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    I see Edmunds has the 2008 V6 base at $42,390...
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    I have read through the 2008 list of changes elsewhere – and I am surprised to see nothing about any upgrades to the MX0 \ 6L80’s shift behavior.

    I currently drive a 2007 Corvette Coupe. On the 2008 Corvette Order Guide site GM \ Chevy states: “Improved paddle shift automatic with quicker shift on (MX0) automatic transmission”.

    Has anyone seen or heard anything about similar improvements for the 2008 STS-v? Since it uses a version of the same 6L80, I’d hope that there would be comparable improvements in the Caddy Flagship. . . ???

    Thanks,
    - Ray
    Considering a Sedan to “go with” the Corvette . . .
  • box986box986 Posts: 1
    Yes, Ray. Similar improvements were made on the STSv.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    "Yes, Ray. Similar improvements were made on the STSv. "

    Interesting.
    Source?
    [ Edit: Details? ]
    Seems very curious [ to me ] that GM \ Caddy make no mention of this - that I have seen...
    Thanks,
    - Ray
    Sufficienly interested to schedule a test drive...
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    I “requested” way back in 2005 and \ or 2006 that Caddy revamp their option and equipment availability policy – to allow configuration of what I’d call an STS GT. Less ( mandatory ) luxury and convenience options required before one could order the PCZ “Performance Handling Package” with the NorthStar V8.

    It appears that, with the introduction of the substantially upgraded V6 version of the 2008 STS, Caddy has in fact decided to allow something quite similar to what I had in mind back then.

    Essentially, I was looking for the highest \ best performance & handling equipment, without pushing MSRP well over $60K – for ‘stuff’ I really did not care that much about. ( Such as the Navigation system, Bose sound system, HIDs, rear heated seats, and a few other items. )

    This V6, with 300+ HP and a flat TQ curve, implying good general drivability in addition to that rather high specific output, mated to GM’s 6L50 6 speed automatic ( a version of the trans. in my Corvette ) intrigues me. Particularly with the imminent release of the CTS. ( Still waiting to see pricing. )

    ** IF ** the dynamics of the 2008 V6 STS are actually much as described in the previews I have read, and the quality ( mechanically & cosmetically ) is improved – in addition to the revamped interior & exterior. ( The 4 previews I have read so far, including 1 here on Edmunds, have been quite positive. )

    And ** IF ** the acceleration feel and handling feel of the V6 is truly as good as initial reviews, based on pre-production examples, is as good as reported. And the NVH control is refined.

    And ** IF ** the [ real world ] fuel mileage is reasonable.

    Etc.

    THEN, I see this as an advance toward Caddy making the STS a sales success. And building a base of [ very ] satisfied Caddy customers. I see potential to sell more V6 STSs than V8s, as has always been true – and these advancements sound like they’ll make the STS V6 something that will impress.

    If the V6 STS sells in larger numbers, and the upcoming CTS ( same motor available ) also becomes a sales success, these revenue stream enhancements ** MAY ** allow Caddy to invest in the other aspects that would push the Brand higher. If GM so chooses.

    I have asked the Internet Manager at my closest dealer to notify me when 2008 V6 STSs start arriving. I plan to test drive one, equipped as close as possible to how I’d buy one: 1SC, PDQ & PCZ. MSRP just under $55K. ( Where previously a V8 with PCZ had to be a 1SG, and had an MSRP well over $60K. A 2007 1SG – V8 w/Sunroof and premium paint currently on my Dealer’s lot lists at $62,940. That is without a HUD. And with no PCZ. )

    In addition to the larger ( Summer only ) tires & wider wheels & Brembo brakes, a 2008 STS V6 so equipped would even include a HUD – something previously only available bundled with (K59) Adaptive Cruise Control, and priced at something over $2,000. And again only available on the V8 with 1SG. I have had a HUD on past vehicles and have one on my Corvette – and appreciate the usefulness.

    It would include the Navigation system, heated AND VENTILATED front seats – and even a heated steering wheel. For a much more reasonable actual transaction cost. IMHO. And at a ‘penalty’ ( vs the V8 version ) of only 0.2 seconds in 0 – 60 acceleration. A difference I suspect very, very few could discern. IMHO.

    I see all this as Caddy making progress – movement in what I consider “The Right Direction”.
    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Willing to be convinced that this is a satisfying sedan to drive . . .
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    My one pet peeve with the navi in the Caddy is the fact it won't let you use a lot of the functions once the car gets above 6 MPH. Whereas, in the BMW, all the funcions can be used while driving.

    I agree with you - but so far, the Germans are the only ones I have tried that will let you use the Nav while in motion - imagine that, they like to drive 200kph too! Go figure!

    The lawyers in America and Japan don't trust us to operate a function and drive at the same time. Irritating. :mad:
  • Boss,
    Do you have the code for the 2008 CTS Nav. System?
    Thanks in advance.
    Larry
  • Does anyone have any short cuts or tips on how to use and program the navigation system on the 2007 STS? I am having a very had time getting it programed and the manual does not help. Thanks Mike
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,550
    ". . the manual does not help. "
    Are you using the seperate STS Nav System manual?
    The 2006 version runs to about 158 pages.
    (( You can find a .pdf copy on mygmlink. ))
    - Ray
    Good luck....
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    I have a 2007 SRX with nav. I am not quite sure what you mean by "programing"? If you are trying to enter an address, you must be in the right region for that address.
  • Thanks. :shades: :shades:
  • Thanks still working on it. :shades:
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    I take it that you are trying to enter a destination?

    You can pick one off the map, but either way, to get started you push the dest button (at least that is true on my SRX), then a menu will pop up.

    To work on entering a destination, you must be parked. Once the destinations are in your address list, then you can choose one while driving.

    Having looked at the STS interior pictures, I see that you nav is not the same as the SRX's, but your controls are probably all on the touch screen, while some of mine are hard buttons off of the touch screen. So my help will be limited.
  • Thanks, I am getting the hang of it. :shades:
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    On my nav, streets that have an east, west; north or south as part of the name, you type in the basic street name (without the E or W; N or S) and it will ask for the direction part or offer the direction in a list of streets of that name.
  • lb05lb05 Posts: 1
    Does anyone know what GM does to the unsold 2007 Cadillac STS?
  • palaltpalalt Posts: 25
    Cadillac has their Field Reps drive them, then resell them as used. Last month I bought an 07 STS, V6 AWD with Nav and a Moonroof. It was titled to General Motors, the only purpose to me was that they didn't allow the perception that you could buy a NEW STS for such a discouint. To me it was like buying a Demo. My car was in service 5 months, has 6000 miles, MSRP was $52,400. I bought it outright for $28,000 cash, no trade. This is one of the most stable driving cars I've ever owned. The AWD was awesome this winter in Chicago with the 62" of snow we've had. It's very quiet and comfortable. The options are never ending, even down to the heated and cooled seats.The 6CD Surround Sound is great. The NAV is interesting, as long as I don't hit something while I'm watching the screen. I still haven't tackled programming a destination. Mileage isn't great with the AWD, Instant MPG on cruise at 75 says only 22. Considering a loaded Camry or Accord costs $28K, I couldn't be happier with my deal. There are quite a few 07 STS' advertised around Chicago for around $33K. I looked at a few with similar miles and every dealer noted they were Cadillac owned and driven cars. I jumped on the deal advertised for $5K less than everyone else. Someone made an advertising mistake (I think) and I was there in a flash, didn't ask questions, checked it out, drove it and started counting out cash.
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