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  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    From ANT's press release link:
    In particular, Ford made sure that customers could specify both the I-4 and V-6 versions of the car with the same slate of available options – realizing that engine choice should not dictate how richly optioned a car can be.

    AMEN to THAT! I was actually leaning Hyundai Sonata until I found out that to get a manual shift and a 4cyl., you get no premo options selection whatsoever (I don't consider floormats to be a premo option). E.g., you want a sunroof? Sorry buddy - you gotta pop for a slushbox and V6. Alloy wheels? Slushbox; V6. Well, they can just peddle their cars to folks who aren't particular about equipment then. I'm not going to be making any sacrifices if I don't have to... which leads me nicely to the Fusion...

    With the Fusion, I can get the sunroof (I use my sunroof 10 times more often than I use my AC), a stick (maybe when I'm 40 I'll be ready for a car that shifts itself), a 4 banger (which should be plenty of fun to work with the stick and won't kill me if gas spikes to $3/gallon) and a comfortable cloth interior (I reserve leather for home furniture as the temp in my home never drops below 20F or climbs above 100).

    I don't see the big issue with the engines that some others see here. These folks saying that 220hp isn't enough are probably the same folks who were measuring performance in cubic inches 25 years ago. After emissions controls in the early 70's, it seemed anything less than 350ci was "underpowered". What was the base engine in a 75 Caddy? 460ci? Wow - how sporty!

    I'm more a performance guy than a numbers guy. From memory, when CD tested a Mazda 6 with the 4 banger and 5spd stick combo a couple years back, it hit 60 in 7.9 seconds. Perhaps I live in a different world, but to me, these numbers are perfectly adequate (dare I say powerful) and I drive very briskly. I do not plan on towing a Boston Whaler through the Rockies anytime soon either, so tow ratings don't excite me. HP for the sake of HP means little to me. The way I figure, if it's bragging rights a person needs, their ride is probably the least of their concerns.

    From the options sheet, right now I think I'm looking at an SE. I don't need 17 inch wheels and actually I like the looks of the 16 inch design a bit better than the fluted/vented seventeens. Hmmmm... what can I say? I think this car is going to not only be an amazing looker, but a great value too! Anyone else as excited as me to drive one of these things?
  • theman123theman123 Posts: 170
    what can I say? I think this car is going to not only be an amazing looker, but a great value too! Anyone else as excited as me to drive one of these things?

    I am, I think Ford caught allot of people by surprise on this one. I think they are going to sell a ton of these cars. Ford is going to have one heck of a 1-2 punch. the Fusion $17,995 and the 05 Mustang (V6 of course) $19,000 something. If this thing sells like I think it can it should have a very positive impact on there market share. I can't wait to drive this thing now. I've always loved this car because the way it looked and the fact it's based on the Mazda 6 (handling). Now with that price of $17,995 (the less expensive in the segment) it's a no brainer. They just need to nail the quality and have a great launch like the did with the 05 Mustang(minus the shortage due to demand). This thing is going to be a Major hit for Ford.

    to gogphers1:
    I agree with you on a couple of things but. I've had an econo car for a while a (95 Escort) with Cloth. Sometimes I swear those seat cushions must be made from plastic. Hey, live a little I want leather and a sunroof I'd like for my butt to sit on something soft a comfy. Also, I've always wanted a car with a sunroof. I actually like the "17 on the 4 banger. And I want the Audiophile stereo so I can listen to some music in a car where the STEREO WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    :)
    And sounds good too
    LOL
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    If the AWD version (to come next year) actually handles anything like the FWD version is reputed to and if the car's safety is close to that of my Five Hundred, I may be in line to get a Fusion/Milan/Zephyr instead of the then newly 3.5L (instead of the Duratech) equipped Five Hundred.

    I wonder...will the AWD have virtually the same great handling (and horsepower)? Or will it be more like the AWD versions of the Vibe/Matrix--much slower than the FWD and with a much less aggressive steering/suspension system?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    I wonder...will the AWD have virtually the same great handling (and horsepower)?

    Not that I'm an expert, but I don't see why it wouldn't. We're already going to see a 6-speed MTX mated to the Duratec23 when the AWD MAZDASPEED Mazda6 hits the streets in a few months. Then you have the CVT in the Five Hundred and Freestyle that mates to the V6 and AWD.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    The Fusion looks like a winner to me regardless if the v6 is not a good as the competition or not. The base 4cyl should be competitive. It seems to have the best looks of all of the cars it will competing against price wise. Hopefully the Mazda underpinnings will provide some decent driving dynamics.

    Will the vulcan v6 finally die with the Taurus (I guess it will probably hang around with the Ranger), that has to be the worst engine I've ever sampled in terms of power and refinement.

    I can't count how many times I haven't been able to keep up with a 4cyl Camry or Accord from a stop light with my wifes Taurus (company car w/ vulcan 3.0), with the A/C on it will barely accelerate. Yuck.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,901
    Hey Venus537 and robr2 you still think the Fusion is not going to sell
    LMAO


    Well I don't think it's going to topple Honda, Toyota, or Hyundai.

    The base price of $17,995 doesn't include side airbags or ABS - nor does it include freight. If you were to add those items based on Ford's "test" pricing page, the MSRP jumps up to 19,235 then add on freight.

    The Sonata GL is $17,895 with ABS, side and curtain airbags, and traction control - no freight. Traction control is only another $100 on the Fusion but you have to bump up to a V6 to get it.

    The Accord LX is $19,775 without freight and it has ABS, side and curtain airbags. Traction control with probably be on the 2006.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    You are mistaken regarding "freight". The link says "All prices include destination and delivery charges".
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    John,

    "I wonder...will the AWD have virtually the same great handling (and horsepower)?"

    The difference will be similar as to that of the 500 FWD/AWD. It's a light AWD system overall, and doesn't interfere much with the dynamics of the vehicle, if anything maybe you feel the rear end be a bit more settled in extreme maneuvers as experienced with the 500 AWD.

    Diesel,

    "Will the vulcan v6 finally die with the Taurus (I guess it will probably hang around with the Ranger), that has to be the worst engine I've ever sampled in terms of power and refinement. "

    Yes the 3.0L Vulcan will die in the next 2 years (the Ranger needs it till it's redesigned). The engine is terribly unrefined, gas-hog (for the power it puts out), old-tech overall. The only benefit from it was it was a very strong and reliable engine, but it needs to die. In it's place, (depending upon the vehicle) the 2.3L I-4, or 3.0L Duratec will be other options.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,901
    I'll admit I was wrong on the freight with the Fusion. But still, the Hyundai is a better value once the the options are figured in and the Accord is still the bench mark.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I don't think the official pricing is out on options, is it?

    Have you been in a Sonata? I thought they looked pretty good, both the outgoing version and the new version, but sitting in them at the auto show last spring was enough to tell me that I would not want one. But that is just my fussiness about seat comfort.

    For the outgoing version the IIHS crash test results for Sonata take it off my list, anyway...perhaps the new one will do better, though.

    Of course, I have not yet had the chance to sit in the Fusion/Milan...and it has not been crash tested.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,901
    The official pricing on options isn't out yet but I used the numbers from the test pricing sight. IIRC, the base pricing there was $500 less than the actual base - I'm giving Ford the benefit of the doubt on the options.

    Sonata - I have seen them at the dealer but haven't sat in one yet. The exterior isn't anything exciting - that's a good thing in mid size sedans. It's not offensive or daring. IMO, the Fusion is much more exciting and appealing design. But then again I like the Bangle Bungle, the Element, and the Xb.

    Hyundai is going for a large slice of the pie. They've invested a billion dollars into the new plant in Alabama. They're targeting Honda and Toyota. Hyundai is who they have to fear. Also, I read this AM that the Sonata qualifies as a large car - not midsize - based on EPA measurements.

    And I say all of this as a Ford shareholder. Trust me, I'd love to see the Fusion get some serious market share but they're 3 years behind the competition.
  • frizz2112frizz2112 Posts: 84
    I think the Fusion, all things considered, could be just what is needed for Ford. I really can't see anything about it that's not competitive, save the engine which is actually not too far off the leaders when you factor in the 6 speed transmission. I think a car with great handling dynamics and more distictive (yet not too distictive) styling could be a break out product in a segment that's dominated by bland looking and mostly bland driving cars. I think it will do well for them, and stands a chance to do extremely well, especially when you consider the upcoming improvements like AWD, the 3.5 V6, and a hybrid version. I am cautiouisly optimistic about this car.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Diesel,

    If you think the Vulcan is bad, that means you probably aren't old enough to have driven cars in the 70's and 80's as I can remember a lot of them (even big block V-8's) that were much worse.

    A little history lesson: I swore off GM products when my 1983 "Iron Duke" powered Chevy Celebrity turned out to be the same crap GM had with their Citations from circa 1979. Bought a 1990 Taurus with Vulcan. At the time Taurus was introduced a few years before that, the 3.0 Vulcan was truly a state of the art engine, and blew away both in performance and fuel efficiency most anything on the market that was affordable.

    I drove that Taurus for ten years, and can't say that I was all that dissapointed in its performance. My 2000 Taurus SES Duratec is admittedly much better, but it is interesting how perceptions change.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    I'm thinking along the same lines. The lack of a better engine will not kill the Fusion. GM has been selling cars for years with lack luster powertrains. The 6 speed auto should allow the car to be responsive. It obviously won't be in the same league as a v6 Accord or Altima in powertrain refinement and power, but the Fusion looks like it could have the upper hand in driving dynamics.

    The original Taurus certainly didn't have a better powertrain than the competition it was the overall design that was a break thru for Ford. I'm not saying the Fusion will have that kind effect on the market place, but I do think it has a chance to give Ford the shot in the arm that is needs and will be a nice addition to the attention the Mustang has gathered.

    Bottom line, the Fusion can't get here soon enough.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    Badgerfan,

    You make a good point. Though I didn't drive in the 70's, my first car was a handed down 75 Buick Regal with a 2brl 350 that my grandpa gave me. Wasn't a bad car for a 16 yr old to plow around in, but performance was certainly out of the question.

    Sure the vulcan was a good engine in its day, but 2005 is a long way from 1986, and this engine hasn't seen many updates to make it competitive. Your run of the mill modern 4 cylinder is much better. My wife had a 2000 Impala 3.4 that offered much better performance than the 3.0 vulcan in her last two Taurus's, not that I like the Chevy 3.4 either.

    The two engines I've owned that have enjoyed the most was the 2.5L Duratec in a '98 SVT Contour I used to own (if only the rest of the car didn't fall apart) and the 3.5L v6 in my 01 Nissan Pathfinder, Nissan VQ 3.5 is just a gem. The Pathfinder makes my wifes vulcan powered Taurus feel like a slug.

    Go Big Ten
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    i remember when my '89 sho with a 3.0 24v v6 with 200 hp was over the top; and it was! ;)
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    ""The original Taurus certainly didn't have a better powertrain than the competition it was the overall design that was a break thru for Ford. I'm not saying the Fusion will have that kind effect on the market place, but I do think it has a chance to give Ford the shot in the arm that is needs and will be a nice addition to the attention the Mustang has gathered.""

    The Fusion is cheap, however. That is a desirable quality in a midsizer. But I am inclined to think that the Fusion won't be a huge hit and won't steal too terribly many sales from the Camcord altima and Malibu. Why? Because there are already a lot of competant players in the field. Add in the G6, LaCrosse, Ford's own Mazda 6 and Milan, all of which are roughly similarly priced, and I begin to wonder just how much market can be taken? I really want to like the Fusion, but what can it base it's sales on? Safety? Nope, taken. Superior drivability? Uh-uh. Refinement seems to be the only advantage that the Fusion could have, but I have a feeling that, like some of GM's upcoming cars, this will be a catch-up car. By that I mean catching up, not the delicious tomato-based condiment. Looks like another cheap midsize sedan to me.

    The Milan looks better to me just because its styling is better. It may also have a better interior (not that the Ford's is bad at all, it's actually pretty good). Also, in order to successfully steal a lot of sales, Ford may want to consider a coupe/convertible/wagon variant. I mean, the Camry has a sedan, coupe, and convertible all counting toward its sales (Solara's full name is Camry Solara) and the Accord has a coupe/sedan and the Malibu has a hatchy-thing/sedan. Also, by the time the hybrid comes, the other's will have hybrids as well.

    Ford's attempt is good, and what I'm saying may be totally untrue, but these are just the feelings I get. Also, the Sonata just got redesigned, the Camry will be soon.

    ""i remember when my '89 sho with a 3.0 24v v6 with 200 hp was over the top; and it was! ""

    Or a Corolla GT-S from the mid-80's. 110 or so hp!
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    It is easy to critize ford about not making ABS and side airbags standard especially as I personally would want side airbags on a new car.

    Ford has studied this hard and the results are that Americans simply don't want to pay more to for a Ford with side airbags at this price level.

    The Jetta is a different catagory of vehicle than the Focus.

    I think side airbags are going to be standard by 2008 anyway but ANT can answer that.

    Regarding ABS, all government and insurance industry studies conducted to date fail to prove that any lives were ever saved by ABS.

    Notwithstanding same, stability control seems to have a huge effect in reducing fatalities. We might all get government mandated ABS through the back door of mandatory stability control.

    Ford is adding Advance Trac to the standard equipment on trucks and SUVs. Its already standard on Explorers and will next become standards on extended Econolines.

    As for finding a Focus with all the safety features being hard, try finding one with a stick that isn't the ST. I hate automatic transmissions. (except for CVTs). The convenience of a typical automatic for me just does not even come close to compensating for the control I have to give up.

    Mark
  • theman123theman123 Posts: 170
    ""The original Taurus certainly didn't have a better powertrain than the competition it was the overall design that was a break thru for Ford. I'm not saying the Fusion will have that kind effect on the market place, but I do think it has a chance to give Ford the shot in the arm that is needs and will be a nice addition to the attention the Mustang has gathered.""

    The Fusion is cheap, however. That is a desirable quality in a midsizer. But I am inclined to think that the Fusion won't be a huge hit and won't steal too terribly many sales from the Camcord altima and Malibu. Why? Because there are already a lot of competent players in the field. Add in the G6, LaCrosse, Ford's own Mazda 6 and Milan, all of which are roughly similarly priced, and I begin to wonder just how much market can be taken? I really want to like the Fusion, but what can it base it's sales on? Safety? Nope, taken. Superior drivability? Uh-uh. Refinement seems to be the only advantage that the Fusion could have, but I have a feeling that, like some of GM's upcoming cars, this will be a catch-up car. By that I mean catching up, not the delicious tomato-based condiment. Looks like another cheap midsize sedan to me.

    The Milan looks better to me just because its styling is better. It may also have a better interior (not that the Ford's is bad at all, it's actually pretty good). Also, in order to successfully steal a lot of sales, Ford may want to consider a coupe/convertible/wagon variant. I mean, the Camry has a sedan, coupe, and convertible all counting toward its sales (Solara's full name is Camry Solara) and the Accord has a coupe/sedan and the Malibu has a hatchy-thing/sedan. Also, by the time the hybrid comes, the other's will have hybrids as well.

    Ford's attempt is good, and what I'm saying may be totally untrue, but these are just the feelings I get. Also, the Sonata just got redesigned, the Camry will be soon.


    WOW!!!
    First of all welcome to the Fusion/Milan forum. But I have to wonder what cars you like chris65AMG. I don't know what to say a benz fan on a Ford fourm. that's something you don't see everyday. A benz fan thinks the Ford Fusion is a "Cheap Mid-sized sedan" I would have never seen that coming. Then you praised a Mercury !!!! what are you crazy!!!! AMG benz fan don't praise a Mercury, that's I mean that's .............. Well you are a Benz fan, anything under $40K is probably cheap. Also, the fact that you didn't call both cars the sorriest thing on 4 wheels MAN!!! I'm moved >:)::::::::::::::::: (sneeze) LOL

    OK, enough of the ribbing, I'm just messing with you. How do you think this is a catch up car ? The only thing that's really hurting the Fusion is it's engines. OH I forgot AMG HP rules the world. The Fusion is going to have one of the biggest back seats if not "THE" biggest backseat in the class. Also, it's the only one that offers a 6-speed auto. It's pretty close to all the other cars in it's class as far as power/weight goes, so it's should be just as fast if not faster then everybody else in the segment. Lastly I think it's going to have one of the biggest if not the biggest trunks in the segment. To top it all off, it's the less-expensive car in it's class. Those things mean allot to people.

    The biggest thing that you have overlooked is that. Ford has already announced that the Fusion is going to have AWD version with a 3.5 V6 with about 250-280 HP. I'm guessing this AWD version is going to have a 5 or 6 speed MTX. Most importantly it's going to have a hybrid version. Correct me if I'm wrong, nobody in that class has AWD and has no immediate plans on making a AWD/Hybrid version of the same car. Only the Accord has a hybrid powertrain. With gas prices floating around $2.00/gallon it's almost certain to be a hit. Also, Ford has a little experience with hybrid vehicles (Ford Escape hybrid and Mercury Mariner hybrid). So, when it comes to hybrids, Ford is not a stranger to these parts. I'm sure they had that on the Benz website :)

    But I am inclined to think that the Fusion won't be a huge hit and won't steal too terribly many sales from the Camcord altima and Malibu. Why? Because there are already a lot of competent players in the field. Add in the G6, LaCrosse, Ford's own Mazda 6 and Milan, all of which are roughly similarly priced, and I begin to wonder just how much market can be taken? I really want to like the Fusion

    Oh come on the G6, man the Mazda 3 is better than the G6. the Lacrosse a BUICK you must really hate Ford if you don't think it's going to out do a Buick. Man that's kinda Low. Oh and the Malibu the Fusion kills the Malibu and indeed everybody in the segment when it comes to appearance (IMHO). The Malibu is chunky looking, where as the Fusion/Milan look more modern and clean looking sedans. So the Malibu is going to take an L.

    Now when it comes to the Camcord I dunno. I don't think it's going to take over right away because people love reliable appliances. However, that said I think it's going to be a snow ball effect much like with the 500. Especially with a AWD and Hybrid version. I'm sorry I don't see to much "catch-up" in this car. Thats 3 versions of the same good car, 2 more versions than anybody in the segment.

    Aight, let the cursing begin
    :)
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    I think (not that it means much) the Fusion will but a serious hurt on the G6 & Malibu. The CamCords are a different story. The Camry is a very nice car, I'm impressed everytime I drive my MIL's 05 XLE v6. I also like the Accord EX v6 as well (looks aside). Honda's 3.0L v6 just screams and I wish Ford had something like that for the Fusion. I hope the new 3.5 lives up to its potential.

    My wife will be on special assignment at work at the end of the year requiring us to buy her a car since she will lose her company car for about 18mos. I wasn't planning on buying her a new car, but we will look at a Fusion, I just don't like the idea of eating the depreciation since we will only need it for 18mos. If I can talk her into driving a manual, maybe a Mustang GT ragtop will work.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    I'll gladly pay more for safety. What really bums me out about the Fusion is that some safety items are not even available as options, let alone being offered as standard equipment.

    Where's the stability control? Where's the traction control on the 4-cylinder models? Does the Fusion come with active head restraints? I realize that there are buyers out there who don't want some of these items, but at least make them available for people who do!

    Hyundai makes ABS, front/side/curtain airbags, traction control, stability control, and active head restraints standard on every 2006 Sonata, regardless of trim level or engine size.

    Ford, the bar has been raised. You can do better.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I would pay for safety too. Interestingly the "build a fusion" thing now has a list of potential future options. One of them is stability control, priced at $480. On the page with the list it says:

    Ford is considering the following features for future model years of the Fusion. These features will not be available for the 2006 Model Year. To help us gauge interest in these features, please select the options you would add to your Fusion if they were available at the listed price.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    I just built a Fusion with the safety options that are comparable to what you get on a Sonata as standard equipment. Based on my ZIP code, I got the following prices:

    Safety & Security Package (side and curtain airbags, perimeter alarm) - $650.00
    ABS - $650.00
    Traction Control (V6 engine only) - $100.00
    Stability Control (potential future option) - $510.00

    Everything above except for the perimeter alarm is standard on every 2006 Sonata. To get the equivalent safety items in a Fusion, you would have to pay an additional $1,910!

    I find it very funny that Ford is bragging about undercutting the competition in price, even the Koreans. It's no wonder. The Fusion is a decontented car when it comes to safety. Add all the safety options that are standard on the Hyundai and the Fusion is nowhere near as competitive with the Sonata when it comes to price.
  • frizz2112frizz2112 Posts: 84
    While I realize Ford's press release leads one to believe that the Fusion is the least expensive car in the segment, I don't think this is all that important. What's important is that it's priced competitively, and it clearly is. If the car is as good as it seems to be, people will pay a small premium over the bottom feeders in the segment to get it. Once you go for cheapest in class status, it's hard to break that perception with buyers, and of course it's harder to make money without massive sales volume. I think it's smart for Ford to be priced somewhat higher than say Hyundai. Despite Hyundai's recent gains, the perception of that brand is still fairly low end, and a slightly higher price on the Fusion gives the impression that it is a better car, which is where I'd like to see Ford positioned. Hey, I'd like to get all the options for the cheapest price too, but there's more to the equation (at least from Ford's point of view) than that.

    Someone a few posts back mentioned government mandated stability control/ ABS. This a bad idea, as are most government mandates regarding automobiles. All you do by mandating these systems on cars is limit choice which is always a bad thing in a free market system. This may not seem like a big deal to many of us, but the price of making these systems standard on all cars will put them out of reach to a considerable percentage of buyers, which completely negates the egalitarian "safety for everyone" spirit of such laws. Better to give people the option to pay less if the want/ need to. Companies like Ford are having enough trouble making money without the government telling them how to do business.

    Ok, sorry for the politics. Back to the Fusion. ;)
  • chris65amgchris65amg Posts: 372
    ""Hyundai makes ABS, front/side/curtain airbags, traction control, stability control, and active head restraints standard on every 2006 Sonata, regardless of trim level or engine size. ""

    That's what will sell the Sonata, among other things. I wasn't aware of the Ford's apparant lack of safety items until I read them, and I'm a little chivved. In my earlier posts I was being pretty critical of the Fusion, but apparantly for the wrong reasons. However....
    a) a six speed in an auto doesn't mean too much. I like the 4 speeds in LeSabres more than the six speed in the Five Hundred. But there's nothing like a seven-speed :P
    Most of that stuff is for bragging rights. True, it does wring more power out of an engine.... but some of the cost cutting in the Fusion's safety equipment would make me feel like the whole price scheme is smoke and mirrors.

    But in order to see how these things pan out, I guess we'll have to wait for a test drive....

    Now time to burn people. This is my favorite part! *sarcasm*

    ""The biggest thing that you have overlooked is that. Ford has already announced that the Fusion is going to have AWD version with a 3.5 V6 with about 250-280 HP. I'm guessing this AWD version is going to have a 5 or 6 speed MTX. Most importantly it's going to have a hybrid version. Correct me if I'm wrong, nobody in that class has AWD and has no immediate plans on making a AWD/Hybrid version of the same car. Only the Accord has a hybrid powertrain. With gas prices floating around $2.00/gallon it's almost certain to be a hit. Also, Ford has a little experience with hybrid vehicles (Ford Escape hybrid and Mercury Mariner hybrid). So, when it comes to hybrids, Ford is not a stranger to these parts. I'm sure they had that on the Benz website ""*

    The Camry has three variants (Camry/Solara/Solara convt.). It will have a hybrid version out probably before Ford. The Accord comes in two variants. And a hybrid. I really don't think that people will care if they can get an AWD hybrid. In my opinion that would push the cost a little too high for a *sniff* Ford. I'm guessing that the AWD version will have that @$^#! CVT. Not a hazard to guess, eh? Even though Ford isn't a stranger to hybrids, I have a belief that the Altima Hybrid (which is due out about the same time as the Fusion/Camry) and the Camry Hybrid will utilize their hybrid drive better. Just a hunch.

    "". Hey, I'd like to get all the options for the cheapest price too, but there's more to the equation (at least from Ford's point of view) than that.""

    I think just last year one of the main criticisms of the Camry was that it didn't have ABS standard across the board. They made it standard for this year and their sales rose. Hmm :confuse:
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Those are not actual prices. They change them on that site all the time. Also the real "safety and security package includes ABS.

    According to the press release that was link by Ant a while back:

    Available options on the ‘S’ model of Fusion include a 5-speed automatic transmission, Safety and Security package (incorporating seat-mounted side air bags, first- and second-row side air curtains and an anti-theft perimeter alarm) and four-wheel anti-lock brakes.

    Stability control would, I think, already include traction control. The real Fusion also starts $500 below the Hyundai. So perhaps the extra $1910 becomes only an extra $750...but we won't know until they actually release the prices of the options.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    If you're going to making a sweeping generalization of the intellect of all Americans, how about at least cleaning up the two grammatical errors in the title of your post? Your idea of what's smart (demanding airbags) might be different from that of others (like my concern for the proper use of the English language).

    In all candor, I find some of the discussion on this board a little insulting. I'm perfectly comfortable with Ford's choice to make side airbags optional on the Fusion/Milan. If you want them, buy them. They're optional. Personally, I think this whole airbag/safety argument is just a red herring.

    Is there really anyone out there who isn't going to buy a car specifically because they aren't comfortable with the knowledge that other models out there of the same vintage might not be equipped with side airbags? Give me a break. These folks are looking for some good reason not to like this car and if it weren't the lack of standard side airbags, it would be something else. In marketing, we refer to this phenomenon as cognitive dissonance. I.e., you gather information specifically to support a preconceived notion - decision first, information gathering next rather than the other way around.

    Cars are like people. None of them are perfect and choosing one to live with involves some level of sacrifice. If the biggest issue someone has with the Ford is that it doesn't leapfrog the Accord in terms of HP and standard airbag count, I'll consider that a ringing endorsement.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Side airbags/curtains being an option is NOT a problem. Availability might be, though. If they were standard, you could get them. On the Five Hundred, for much of the year, trying to get a car equipped with the safety package meant a long wait. I should know.........I own one.

    CVT? I love it. NOT having a CVT available on the Fusion is one thing keeping me in my Five Hundred for now and not in a Fusion. But, when the AWD Fusion comes out about the same time as the 3.5L Five Hundred, I am going to have some deciding to do....
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    "Also the real "safety and security package includes ABS.

    According to the press release that was link by Ant a while back:

    Available options on the ‘S’ model of Fusion include a 5-speed automatic transmission, Safety and Security package (incorporating seat-mounted side air bags, first- and second-row side air curtains and an anti-theft perimeter alarm) and four-wheel anti-lock brakes"

    I don't think so. Look at the placement of the four-wheel anti-lock brakes statement. It is outside of the inclusionary parenthesis describing the safety and security package. ABS is a separate option that is not part of the safety and security package. Even the build a Fusion website allowed me to select both options and added the price of each as a different item.

    Someone else mentioned "smoke and mirrors" when it comes to Fusion pricing. I think that is an excellent analogy to describe Ford's apparent attempt to make the Fusion look like it is the least expensive car in it's segment. It is the least expensive, but only if you do not include all the safety items that are standard on the Sonata.
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