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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan

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  • There really isn't any incentives on the Fusion. They are offering 3.9% financing and $0 cash back. $3.9 is hardly an incentive when a typical bank rate is now in the 4% range for a car, anyway. The only reason this was done is so Ford Credit could get some business since they aren't competitive with banks right now given Ford's debt rating as a company.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,920
    According to an article in Automotive News today, Ford is offering $500 matching down payment and $500 bonus cash for financing through Ford.

    I'd post a link but it's not an open site.

    Actually 3.9% isn't that bad. My credit union was 4.99% for 48 months and my FICO is top tier.

    The same article notes that the Fusion has to succeed. Ford loses 20,000 Mustang owners who trade in on a mid-size sedan - not one of them buys a Ford. 20% of F-150 and Explorer owners also own a competitors' mid-size offering. Steve Lyons, group VP of Ford marketing, calls the Fusion Ford's most important car launch since the Taurus in 1985.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My experience with them was like dealing with the devil, *never* again, they can keep their $500. Long story short - I paid additional principal early and they didn't credit it appropriately, even though my check specifically said "principal only".

    -juice
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,094
    and it was a good one.

    Anyway, Edmunds shows the $500 finance incentive, but not the down payment match. SO, the SE I like is MSRP 21k, invoice ~ 19.5, if I can get a good neighbor deal less the Ford donation, we're at about 18.5K. Not too bad for what you get.

    Can't wait to frive it to see if it's nice. Last car I got all excited for (the 2006 Civic) ended up being a disappointment, but eventually I will find the car that works for me.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    I don't expect it to "flop" unless there are some very bad quality and recall issues even worse than what people would normally expect and accept from a first year Ford.
    It is an alternative to the Malibu and the Taurus is going away, so hardcore Ford buyers will buy this or 500.
    It does everything the Taurus does, but for more money.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    Well, hopefully it is a lot better than the Taurus. It is way past its freshness date.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    First, cars show in the "locater" once they are released to the common carrier. That car may not be on a dealers lot for a few days.

    Second, the Fusion is being released with $500 matching downpayment rebate and $500 Ford Credit Cash. or the low apr.

    Third, Ford Credit is not a "bank" that can call up the federal reserve bank and borrow money at the prime rate. They already borrowed the money they are lending you accordingly there is a higher rate.

    Fourth, Ford's "higher rate" is some times lower than what a consumer can get at a bank because of credit scores etc.

    Mark
  • Lending institutions do not borrow from the Fed at the prime rate...They pay the discount rate, which is lower than prime. And the Fed makes loans to banks only for very short terms. They sell T-Bills, etc, to all comers....The prime is a rate at which supposedly the big banks lend money to their best business customers.

    Woe to us all if success or failure of the Fusion relies upon the finance rates that Ford Credit can offer!
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Oh and what is this about potential "very bad quality and recall issues even worse than what people would normally expect and accept from a first year Ford."

    The last three newly launched Fords, the 2004 F-150, and the 2005 Five Hundred and Mustang all scored in the top 3 places of their class in the JD Powers Initial Quality survey.

    Mark
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    For years it has been bashed into our heads by reviewers/ car editors, car "experts" that anyting built by Ford/GM/Dodge is lower quality, lower reliability ect.. We have been brain washed into thinking anything with a Japanese lablel is far superior and in nowway can an American car ever match a Japanese engineered vehicle. I call it all garbage. In 1998 I sold my Japanese vehicle and bought an American vehicle. I lasted 105K no problems, bought another vehicle made by an American manufacturer.. It now has almost 60K miles.. one problem $120 to fix.. I don't buy it anylonger that Japanese=better.... I have friends that have had the same experience.. Word is spreading. I hope those people review vehicles are taking note.... :mad:
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,094
    Well, I believe that everything (just about) made today is as good or better than the top stuff from 20 years ago. So, the functional advantage a Honda/Toyota etc. has over a Ford/Dodge is either non existant, or much smaller. I'm talking reliability here, not which car is nicer.

    So, maybe a Camry is more reliable than a Ford, but the difference isn;t that great, and in practical terms, the Ford will be pretty darned good.

    Maybe a Toyota isn't the best example, but certainly once you get away from Toyota (and maybe Honda), you can get good or bad from anyone.

    Besides, the Fusion is kinda/sorta a Japanese car anyway (being on the Mazda 6 platform), so maybe it will be blessed???

    Finally, if I'm buying new, I get what I like and want to drive every day, even if it isn't what is supposed to be the most reliable. Heck, that's what the warranty is for!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,094
    backy in the Hyundai thread almost had me convinced to look at a Sonata, so expect the earth to be shifting slightly on it's axis!

    I probably would have too if they hadn't decided that the only way to get a stick shift is without and good options (like a moonroof or power seat).

    The Fusion really has my interest peaked. One concern, however, is the mileage ratings, which are a bit lower I think than the Mazda. I hope they didn't gear the 5 speed real low so it is a buzz bomb onthe highway.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,857
    the new sonata has had a couple of recalls. sometimes epa is in the ballpark, sometimes, not. since the fusion is larger, maybe it is a similar ratio.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    backy in the Hyundai thread almost had me convinced to look at a Sonata, so expect the earth to be shifting slightly on it's axis!

    I don't think we can afford that right now as my dad, a Ford loyalist for over 50 years, made that happen a couple of years ago when they replaced my mom's '91 Escort with a 2004 Hyundai Accent. He does still have the '96 Sable which is probably what prevented us all from falling into the sea. :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree the gap has narrowed, now the difference between Lexus and Kia is just a small fraction, easily less than 1 problem per car. More like 0.1.

    -juice
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Looks like mpg is same for manual trans Edmunds has 23 mpg / 31 mpg for both the mazda 6 and the fusion. I think fusion mpg is better than the 6 with automatic the 6 is at 23 mpg / 28 mpg with auto, I thought fusion with auto had same mpg as the manual...but edmunds does not show the numbers.
  • I probably would have too if they hadn't decided that the only way to get a stick shift is without and good options (like a moonroof or power seat).

    I can't agree more with you on this matter. IMO, the whole point of buying new is getting the exact car you want. I'm really picky on the option packaging too (cloth-stick-sunroof for me), so the new Fusion is totally up my alley (it doesn't hurt that it's easy on the eyes too). I actually looked at the Sonata and it's a pretty nice car. But for me, it required too many sacrifices on the options front. The whole color palette stinks (unless you're into one of 4 different shades of dark brown) and the only option you can get with the stick is floormats.

    I've driven a Mazda 6 with the 2.3L 5spd manual and if memory serves, 5th gear was tall enough for quiet operation at freeway speeds and beyond. I suspect the Fusion gearing will be close. Now if Ford would only consider dropping a Euro-spec diesel in the engine bay...
  • I'm the kind of person who takes a while making a decision to buy a car. I've been looking at the Mazda3 and Mazda6 for about six months now. Both are fantastic cars, but I actually like the 3 better than the 6 (4-cylinder, the V6 is out of my price range). I've also been anxiously awaiting the Honda Civic and after driving one a few days ago, I love it. I refuse to pay sticker for a car, though, so the Civic is out at least for a few months.

    The other car on my short list is the Ford Fusion. An SE 5-speed with the SE Sport Package stickers for $18,945. I'm thinking $17,500 would be realistic in the next few months. I also applaud Ford for offering the black interior option on every exterior color. There are people like me who prefer a choice other than gray and beige!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,094
    Price seems reasonable. Especially if they actually make a decent number of 5 speeds, so the build up a stock of them.

    I spec'ed out the same car. Add the safety stuff (ABS, side bags) and moonroof, and IIRC MSRP will be about 21K., invoice 19.5. Knock 1K off the top for a dealer discount (Hey, it is a Ford!), and the $500 + $500 FMC discount and matching DP, and you are at about 19K for a nicely equipped unit.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,094
    I'm getting tired of calling the dealer and hearing that they still ahven't shown up.. Anyone have any idea where the heck these things are?

    My local dealer does show one in inventory (on the Web site, not on hand), so they must be getting close.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • I've heard second week of October. Every dealer in my area also shows ONE car in inventory on the Ford website. But there isn't one onsite yet. Just a few weeks, hopefully...
  • What does everyone think about Ford making safety equipment like ABS and side airbags optional? It is obviously a move to keep the sticker price down, but I wonder how it will be in reality. Will almost every car they build come with these options? Or will it be like the Focus where only a handful of the cars on the lots have ABS?

    It's a risky proposition for Ford in a crowded segment where the players like Camry and Mazda6 have standard ABS and the Accord and Sonata have ABS and side airbags standard.

    I'm not a Ford marketing guy, but it would have made better sense to at least make these features standard on the SE and SEL. Then the S could still be advertised with a low price.

    Any thoughts?
  • Well, if/when I buy, I plan on ordering the SEL V-6, auto, premium package, leather, and heated seats. No ABS or side airbags. I kinda like the idea of having the option of adding options to keep the price where you want it. I drove for years without ABS or ANY airbags (never wore a seat belt until it became law). If they were 'standard' features, that would mean the price would be more and I'd have to give up something I'd really want.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,094
    you can't please everybody it seems. For every person that complains they aren't standard, there's another that complains about paying for something they don't want.

    It would make semse to make them standard on the top model, but then they may have lost a sale to mr. Bowie!

    IMO, as long as they make them readliy available (and I think they will, FWIW), it won't be a problem to find what you want, given how many they will be making, and the relatively small number of options.

    Probably you will see cars with no options, or all of them. Often, the hard thing is to find one in between, especially when you want (or won't take) a moonroof.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • Yeah, the in-between cars are often tough to find. I'm the kind of buyer who wants a manual transmission, upgraded stereo, moonroof but NOT leather. I currently have a Nissan Maxima and had to search for a few months to find the one equipped like I wanted.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,730
    Unfortunately Ford can't control what the dealers order, so the inventory cars may indeed be ordered without the safety options just like the Focus. I had to order my son's Focus ZX3 because nobody had any in stock with side airbags, ABS and traction control. Same for used ones - they just don't have it.

    However - you can always order one exactly the way you want it which is what I normally do.
  • cobcob Posts: 210
    Since I worked for the company that makes the shifter assembly and having seen the design and prototype process, I will say the D and L options were not well thought out by Ford. The shifter was designed to fit the transmission. Not since the days of the 2 speed GM Powerglides have I seen only 2 positions on an automatic. Every other Ford and Chrysler shifter we made had OD lockout buttons and all the GM shifters have OD D 3 2 1 etc. for selecting any gear you want. Keep in mind that in this computer controlled world the trans will automatically shift to second gear on a GM car even if the shifter is in the 1st gear position. The trans will not downshift back to 1st until the vehicle slows down below a programmed RPM limit. Some cars allowed you to pick 2nd gear to start of if you were on ice or snow to reduce wheel spin. This is a downfall on the Fusion but I agree if you want to control the trans you should buy the manual. If you really want to buy American get a Honda, Hundai, Nissan, Subaru or Toyota which are really made in the USA. The Fusion is made in Mexico in the Hermosillo plant. At least the shifter is made in the USA. If you really want a shock wait until your automatic shifter breaks and you need a new on from the dealership. The shifter only costs $30 to make, good luck buying one for under $100.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    ". If you really want to buy American get a Honda, Hundai, Nissan, Subaru or Toyota which are really made in the USA"

    And where do their profits go to ? Back to their home country.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,907
    We're not going that route in this discussion, thangyuverrrymuch.

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