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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan

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  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Is your 2.5L Duratec V6, manual or automatic?
  • Just wanted to give you some perspective. I previously owned an 04 Focus ZX5 with the 2.3 liter engine (slightly detuned from the current tuning in the Fusion) and an auto trans. I absolutely loved it. With that in mind, I recently test drove a Fusion with the 2.3 and an auto trans and I can tell you that it was hardly a slouch. While I will agree with others that the engine is a bit loud at both full and near full throttle, it quiets down very quickly. In fact, my boyfriend test drove the vehicle with me and is now in the process of purchasing one.

    Hope this helps!?!
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Not sure if you were really driving a car with the 2.0L Duratec.

    The Focus did not receive this engine until the 2005 Model Year.

    If the Focus you drove wasn't a 2005 or 2006 then it had either a 2.0L SPI engine which is from 1996 about 110hp and 127 lbft of torque. This engine was very unrefined but is adequate thanks to its descent torque rating.

    The optional engine in the pre 05 Focus was the 2.0L Zetec engine putting out 130hp and 130 lbft of torque. This engine was from Ford of Europe but prolly built in Mexico or Brazil.

    The current 2.0L Focus engine is a Mazda design from a clean sheet and not related to any previous Ford Engine.

    The 2.3L in the Fusion is from the same engine family and is basically the bigger brother. Because this engine features variable valve timing among other enhancements, it puts out 160hp and 160 lbft of torque and should provide similar performance to the 2.5 Mystique that you drove. It may even be better thanks to the addition of the 5 speed automatic transmission.

    Mark.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    I think the green states got the Duratec early. I know in California we got the 2.3 PZEV Duratec in 2003 in the hatchbacks, although they continued the dismal 2.0 SPI engine in the sedans.
  • I have 2003 Focus SE (sedan) with 2.3 PZEV
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Resale value will probably be affected much by the name change. Resale may be hurt when the new engine comes out after the name change and the smaller engine becomes less desirable.
    Typical Lincoln sedan is poor anyway. You will be better off with a Lexus or BMW or even a Honda if you have any cares concerning resale.
  • It was a V6 automatic, and it was a lot of fun. The focus I had was an 05' rental.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Then you'll enjoy the 2.3 I-4 much more. The 2.5L Duratec was fun engine, during it's time, unfortunately the automatic transmission mated to it, zapped the majority of the fun. It was always zippier in manual form.

    You will enjoy similar experience with the 2.3L, and it's actually quicker than the old 2.5L (mainly because of gearing in the transmissions, and quicker shift micro-processors). Actually the new 2.3L puts out the same power as the old 2.5L as someone mentioned above.

    The Focus rental you probably had (as with most rental vehicles) was the base engine 2.0L.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Sorry the car is just so anonymous looking that it just screams rental.

    Now the Fusion looks great :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,722
    Sure - by about a billion parsecs.
  • Tonight for the first time I noticed that their was light coming from my headlights being shoned on homes to the left and right just forward of the vehicle at about 15-20 ft. off the ground. It appears that the reflected mirror surface on the inner side of the headlight housing is reflecting the light up on to the buildings, etc.
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    They are both cars, but otherwise the Fusion is far better looking than the rounded lump G35 sedan.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Huh? :confuse:
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    Sorry, not much of a resemblance. Fusion has more straight edges than the G35.
  • Yeah I think people are really reaching far to find similarities in cars today. If you look at the approx. 5,900,012 different cars on the road you will find similar cues on all of them. Its almost impossible to be 100% original, or make the car look, 100% original. The g35 was definitely not Ford's design inspiration, neither was the Honda Prelude, which in my oppinion is closer in headlight design than the G35. Look at the first gen toyota tundra vs the old f-150's. Or the camry vs. the taurus. Lets give credit where its due, the fusion is a great design!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,722
    I'll take the Milan's styling any day over the Fusion. Although I heard that it does give incredible shaves. Oh sorry, we are talking about cars here. :blush:
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    The new Camry looks like a Mazda 6.. Yet no mag writer seems to mention this.. Styling of the front grill is all Mazda..
  • I agree, the last model camry had, in my oppinion, very similar design features as the taurus. The new camry looked "already done" to me but I couldn't figure why. It does look like the mazda 6 a bit.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
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    I don't see much Mazda6 influence in the new Camry. The front grilles look pretty different.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Maybe you are looking for the Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread?

    Our subject is pretty well defined here and it doesn't include the vehicles that aren't listed in the title... ;)
  • After you put them face to face like that I think they are even more alike. The hood and front end angle in the shape of a triangle on both, headlights similar, lower fascia has 3 ports on both, if the grill on the camry had a dip on the lower part like the mazda's they would be identical
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Come on over to the Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread to continue this ...
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    Is the 3.0-liter V-6 currently used in the Fusion the same Duratec unit found in the Escape, Freestyle and countless other Ford vehicles?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    Is the 3.0-liter V-6 currently used in the Fusion the same Duratec unit found in the Escape, Freestyle and countless other Ford vehicles?

    Basically, yes. But it's the most advanced version with Variable Cam Timing. Some (most) of the other versions don't use the VCT.
  • agbagb Posts: 1
    I own a 97 Ford Taurus. Had to have the head gaskets replaced on the 3 liter V6 Duratec at 115,000 miles.
    Also, coolant resevoir had hairline crack on bottom, causing slow leak no one could ever find. Guy in town handles all the Taurus repairs for the local rental company and found it right off.
    A co-worker drives a 2001 Sable. His car had exactly the same two problems.
    The mechanic who repaired mine said the inside of all the Taurus's (in my year range) rust.
    Also, the dash came unglued in my car and the black exterior trim cracked and faded. I found at the local rental, who rents 98 to 99 Taurus's, that they have the same problem. It doesnt affect how it runs, but hey, I paid for a car and took care of it. I don't think it should happen.
    Checking the internet, I've found lots of Taurus owners had the same exact problems, not to mention the interior lights staying on and window motor problems. Also, now (just recently) the radio comes on and plays when it wants to, not when I want it to. When it comes on, I can't cut it off or adjust the volume. When it is off, I can't get it to turn on.
    Keep in mind, I have always provided good maintenance to the inside and outside of this car.
    That being said, the car performs well and has great acceleration for only a 145hp engine. And other than the head gaskets, the alternator and coolant tank, I've had no other mechanical problems. And I've always like the style over the imports.
    Now I'm looking for a new car. I'm interested in the Ford Fusion or Mercury Milan. I test drove the Ford already and liked it. I truly wish to buy American. It's all I've ever owned. But now some Ford and Chevy's are made in Canada and Mexico, while more and more "imports" are made right here in the US, by US workers.
    And, to me, if you take care of a car these days, they should run great and look great to well over 150,000 miles.

    I'm really struggling here. Can anybody give me a clue on whether the Ford quality has genuinely increased? Is the Fusion or Milan made in the US?

    I really would rather buy from a US company. I hate sending money overseas, but nowadays I can't just assume that US car companies want to make the best quality car and will take care of me when it fails.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The Fusion, Milan and Zephyr are all three made in Mexico.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,691
    There are 2 different 3.0L engines in the Taurus. 145 hp sounds like the Vulcan version, not the Duratec. FWIW LS owners have not reported any of the problems you mention with their 3.0L Duratecs, some of which are 6 years old and well over 100K miles.
  • buckwheatbuckwheat Posts: 396
    You purchase a Ford or Mercury product you are buying from a US company.
    The Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan, are assembled in Mexico using out sourced parts made just about anywhere, which is just about the same situation for any auto mfg..
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Previous post??? I see references to a post with my username, fsmmcsi - Style [fsmmcsi] Does Ford Still Have Quality Issues? When was this posted? I can't find it, and don't remember asking that question.
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