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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan

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  • ace35ace35 Posts: 131
    But not submitting vehicle with those was probably single largest PR misstep made by Ford in the last model year.

    I may be wrong, but i thought the institute purchases there own vehicles for testing purposes. However if the manufacturer request a retest they can provide the vehicle at their expense.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,549
    There was a discussion here some time ago (or was that another forum - I don't remember). IIHS will test a base model for free and allow an optioned model to be tested for a fee. Toyota and GM did that in previous years (previous Camry, G6, Malibu) and you can see ratings for models with and without side impact airbags. Ford either skimped on it or "forgot" the possibility. Either way huge mistake.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    That issue was discussed to death here. The Fusion results came out March 5...so those discussions were, I assume, on the days following that.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    survive without side airbags? what are the chances you will get a benefit? it makes me wonder how some some people get out of bed in the morning. maybe they sleep on the floor. ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Hopefully there is a real small chance that you or someone you know will benefit from side airbags. They are like an insurance policy. You hope you don't have to use it. But it can be real handy if you do need it.

    We all lived without the Internet for a long time too. But we all seem to use it a lot now. ;)
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    what are the chances you will get a benefit?

    You can say that about a lot of things...

    What are the chances you will get a benefit from seat belts, front air bags? What are the chances you will get a benefit from the general overall greater safety of modern cars vs. those of 50 years ago?

    For a few hundred bucks, I'll take the increased protection of side air bags.

    Oh and btw...

    In crashes with another passenger vehicle, 51 percent of driver deaths in recent model cars during 2000-01 occurred in side impacts, up from 31 percent in 1980-81. During the same time, the proportion of deaths in frontal impacts declined from 61 percent to 43 percent.

    from: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/side_test_info.html
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    This safety thing has gone nowhere. We all know the Fusion/Milan is not 5 star safety rated. Ford is I'm sure embarrased by this and is going to do something about it in the up and coming model years of the Fusion/Milan. Does this make it a death trap, no. Some want you to believe so however. But those who actually like the car and do thier research will see the Fusion/Milan are safe vehicles.
    The question is.. When Ford does correct the safety rating are we going to hear about in the media? Is it going to get as much recognition as not having a 5star safety rating.. I bet not..
  • Any word on when the 2007 All Wheel Drive Fusion/Milan will arrive at dealer lots?
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,549
    As I said before - Ford has a habit of milking models without providing any substantial R&D updates. Basically raise the cow and then cut the food supply, but milk and let the poor beast starve to death. Just look at Taurus, LS, entire Mercury line, etc. Crown Vic is about to die.

    I'm just afraid Fusion will share the fate of predecessors: good start with some problems, but nevertheless good, then mediocre life followed by slow and painful death. Current content is good enough to sustain the sales for a year - once novelty and enthusiast purchaseses wear off, if no substantial updates are provided, fleets will pick it up for another couple of years, after then it wil take 3 grand of cashback to move any of the inventory.

    I hope to be wrong.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    They're adding AWD plus a few interior features this year and will be adding a Hybrid and 3.5L next year.

    The 500 is getting a facelift and the 3.5L engine next year (after only 3 years).

    Don't forget they've spent the last 6 years building and launching 7 new cars on 3 new platforms (500/Montego/Freestyle, Fusion/Milan/Zephyr, Mustang) which takes a lot of resources. Now that the cars are launched and they have the basics right they can concentrate on upgrades.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    The 500 is getting a facelift and the 3.5L engine next year (after only 3 years).

    I thought the same thing but was corrected in another thread. It turns out that MY07 will be a short one for the FH/Montego, like three months or something like that, and the updated motor and design will not show up until MY08 sometime early next year. I would then assume that MY08 will be a long one for those two but none of the news links with the story really say if my assumption is true or not.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    When I said this year and next year I was referring to calendar years, not model years. So I agree.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,549
    It's a little slow, IMHO. They should be careful not to get into "our figter of the Japanese competition from 3-5 years ago" mode - lets leave that niche to GM ;)

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,030
    ...as there seemed to be an ongoing debate concerning Fusion/Milan safety, I created a new discussion strictly for that topic. Several posts were moved there. Please continue in link titleFord Fusion/Mercury Milan: Safety and Crash Ratings.

    Community Manager If you have any questions or concerns about the Forums, send me an email, karen@edmunds.com, or click on my screen name to send a personal message.

  • rnc5rnc5 Posts: 10
    OK, so we are not even to MY 2007 yet, but I was wondering about a few items I consider essential to a sedan in this class. AWD and an MP3 jack will be out in MY 2007 which is great.

    Does anyone know if the following are coming, and if so possibly when?
    - Electronic Stability Control, ESC
    - The 3.5 engine?
    - An automatic transmission with actual gears, i.e. first through 5th; not just drive & low?
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,805
    I really don't think AWD is essential to any sedan nor is a MP3 jack. As for the transmission it would be nice for it to have a manual with the option of an automatic.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    When I said this year and next year I was referring to calendar years, not model years. So I agree.

    Good enough. I just didn't want anyone else to get the wrong idea like I did at one point.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    For Fusion/Milan.. With all the improvments coming down the pipeline for these vehicles how can you say Ford is going to give up on the Fusion/Milan?? Makes absolutley no sense. Rumors all, rumors. AWD is going to be a hot seller in the Fusion. The 500/Montego has already proved people like and want an AWD sedan. Sales for the AWD 500/Montego far exceeded Fords expectations.

    As far as the staiblity control. I will try to find on the internet where I read this about stability control coming for the Fusion/Milan. Maybe not 2007 model year, but very soon after if I remember right..

    As far as the 3.5 goes, I don't tnink its really needed in the Fusion. I have found in 2 places on the net where the Fusion actually beats the Accord 0-60 by .3 seconds. Other mags only show a .6 second difference in 0-60 times. I would vote for a Fusiton GT with the 3.5, keep the 3.0 and the 2.3. Offer 3 choices in engines. The 3.5 is much needed in the 500/Montego/Freestyle ect..
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,668
    Fact is that you have to rev the heck out of it, etc. etc. to get those times! (Just kidding!) :P
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    ESC is coming, but no word on when. My guess is 2008 MY. I really don't think it's needed on a mid size FWD sedan but it would help the marketing when comparing it to other cars that offer it.

    The 3.5 will be available as soon as they have enough capacity to supply the Edge/MKX and 500/Montego/Freestyle. I expect it to at least be an option (perhaps a special edition) for the 2008 MY. And I agree about not really needing it for the FWD models - I get enough torque steer with 221 hp. I think it's more applicable to the AWD models.

    The shifter will probably be changed for 2008 also.

    In case the doom and gloom crowd hasn't noticed, sales were extremely strong last month and show no signs of slowing down, even with the documented shortcomings.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Doom and Gloom, the continuing saga...
    This can't be good JD Power news release
    Only Hyundai is smiling - well perhaps Toyota/Lexus too.
    -Loren
  • rnc5rnc5 Posts: 10
    Thanks for the updates. I live in the mountains out west and AWD, while not essential, is a huge help. From what I have read, ESC, does help reduce accidents. With 3 children in the family, wintery mountain roads, and other crazy drivers; all the safety helps.

    Going down mountain passes in the winter, being able to shift down into a lower gear and not hit the brakes all the time is also essential.

    Hopefully the MY 2008 Fusion will have what I think I need in a car. That will be about the time we are looking for a new car too.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    How anyone can measure anything meaningful about reliability in the first 90 days is beyond me. 5 yr reliability is much more important.

    I still haven't heard of any major problems (and only 1 or 2 minor problems) with the Fusion, Milan or Zephyr here or on any other forums or in the media. And trust me - if there were problems we'd be hearing about them somewhere.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I am constantly monitoring the internet, chat rooms galore about any Fusion/Milan issues. I have not heard of any, none, nada, problems with this car. Will you hear about it from the media? Heck no! If it was found out that Ford or GM actually built great vehicles, (which they do) for a great price.. What then for Toyota/Honda??
    I bought 2 Fords over the last 10-12 years. I was told over and over again by the Honda/Toyota crowd they were junk and were going to fall apart. One went just over 100,000 with no issues, the other 70,000 with no issues.. Hmm....
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Kind of amazing huh? How Toyota with its issues with Camry, Avalon, Tundra all over the internet, known by the public, yet still wins awards... :confuse:
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "Fact is that you have to rev the heck out of it, etc. etc. to get those times! (Just kidding!)
    Good one.. sounds pretty familair obviously.. story I guess goes both ways?? :)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    do you put pics in here/??
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    Use the IMG button. You can only post a link to a picture hosted elsewhere - you can't directly upload them.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Well if they have a problem, they can enter it in the survey. It is data, and nothing more. I guess anyone can lie on a survey, or lie on the chat rooms. If we are talking statistics, the likelihood of a significant number of people lying on surveys compared to someone posting under assumed names, or simply posting because they have a problem, while those without problems do not posting, is quite a bit higher to the later being true.

    A 90 days does not make a lifetime with a car. So longer studies may prove say Honda or Toyota better. In the Ford line the most durable should be the Crown Vic. The Fusion will likely be OK. Will know more when the data flows in on that one, and in longer length surveys. Problem with Ford is overall scores look low. It is not good press! Lower crash tests are not good press. They need to impress with the total package. Offer a car, a safety and warranty package which is competitive with every car.
    -Loren
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I live in the mountains out west and AWD, while not essential, is a huge help. From what I have read, ESC, does help reduce accidents.

    While I agree with you...from what I understand about ESC and AWD, if I had to choose between the two and my primary criterion was safety, I'd choose ESC.
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