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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan

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  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Also, I still think that you are eligible for any cash back incentives they have going on at the vehicle at the time as well.

    That is 100% correct. With the X-Plan the dealer is not allowed to tack on any extra "paper" fees either so I would imagine the A-Plan is the same.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,702
    You can only use A plan if you're a Ford employee. X plan is for Ford Partners and friends of employees.

    X plan for a Ford is 0.4% below dealer invoice. Lincoln is 0.6% above dealer invoice. X plan is 4% higher than A plan.

    Go look up the dealer invoice price, add destination and subtract $100 and that's real close to X plan. Divide by 1.04 to get approximate A plan.

    The dealer is required to show you the invoice in either case and it has the A and X plan prices clearly printed. The dealer is not allowed to keep any rebates or other incentives including dealer cash nor are they allowed to charge any additional fees like documentation or prep or advertising.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    X plan for a Ford is 0.4% below dealer invoice.

    That does not sound like much of a deal. I have nothing to do with Ford or any partners and neither does my credit union. I can get $250 under invoice just using my credit union's "preferred dealer network".

    Although, they would typically add back in $80-100 document fee and not sure if the invoice that they deduct the $250 from has advertising fees included. Even so, worst case would probably end up not more than $100 or so above this X plan.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "You can only use A plan if you're a Ford employee. X plan is for Ford Partners and friends of employees."

    My mom married someone who retired from Ford. He has since passed away. She has purchased two cars under which she called the "A plan". She says (as her son) all she has to do is give me this number, and I can get the discount.

    Is she misinformed?
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    We just went through a hot spell where I live of temps into the 102 mark. I did excatly what someone had posted. Open all windows/moonroof ect, blow out hot air for about the first 3-5 minutes. I then closed all windows moonroof ect and turned on the A/C in recirc mode. This seems to cool the car in a timely manor. I also use my auto temp...
  • theman123theman123 Posts: 170
    You can only use A plan if you're a Ford employee. X plan is for Ford Partners and friends of employees.

    thats not completely correct. From what i've heard, it's not just for the employee but direct family members. Husband,wife, son and daughter. I think it may also include grandparents. Now that I'm not sure about. But I know if you are apart of the immediate family you are eligible for the A-plan. The X-plan part is correct. How much they get off on that I'm not sure.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,702
    From what i've heard, it's not just for the employee but direct family members.

    Of course it includes immediate family. But at least one person in the family has to be a Ford employee - that was my point. I guess I didn't phrase it the right way.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    If you are eligible for her to give a PIN to, that is all you need.

    A-plan pins are only good for one degree of seperation and in-laws who would be allowed if they were blood relations.

    Parents, siblings, children.
    NOT grandchildren unless parent co-owns
    NOT nieces nephews or cousins.

    Mark.
  • rj123456rj123456 Posts: 128
    I took it in for service and they declared that nothing is wrong with the airconditioner. However, they claimed that the calibration of the AC was set wrong (allegedly, this vehicle was set for "a colder climate" than here (San Jose California), and they recalibrated it.

    Never heard of this before but whatever they did has made a big difference. The air blowing out is much colder - if I set the auto climate control at 67 as I used to, I'm freezing by the end of my 15 minute drive to work. It's now set at 70 degrees!
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I agree, does sound kind of funny. Calibrated for a colder climate?? Great anyway you got it fixed. I saw a Zeph this weekend while at the coast. It was in red and wow! what an eye catcher! I thought the Fusion had style, the Zeph really stands out in a crowd. In my opinion Ford should only give the new 3.5 to the Zeph. Maybe offer the 3.5 in the Fus/Mil as a Fusion GT or Milan GT, something to set these apart. I really feel the 3.0 is plenty for the Fusion/Milan in my opinion.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    I really feel the 3.0 is plenty for the Fusion/Milan in my opinion.

    Yes, but it's not going to convince anyone to actually visit a Ford/Mercury showroom if the Sonata/Accord/Camry's V6 advertises more HP.

    The 3.5L is long overdue, but if they want to differentiate the Zephyr (soon to be MKZ?), tune it for a few more HP.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    How about a Black Zephyr with silver over red pin strip...got one at my lot, very very sharp.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,877
    How about a Black Zephyr with silver over red pin strip...got one at my lot, very very sharp.

    Yeeesshh pinstripes. Does it have a carriage roof as well?
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Nice to see the Fusion coming into its own. I have an associate who has purchased only BMW and Audi vehicles over the years. He took a long hard look at my Fusion SEL V6. He was impressed with the fit/finish and quality of build of the Fusion. Said "it was very European like" and "unlike Ford to build a vehicle like this". This person has been around the block in his years. Traveled the globe and is very successful. It was nice to hear these comments. I feel I picked a winner here. I am more confident people will find the Fusion even if the media thumbs its nose at the car... :P
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,755
    if you have a code, you should be able to see the price using ford's website. i have done that for 'x' plan.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "I took it in for service and they declared that nothing is wrong with the airconditioner. However, they claimed that the calibration of the AC was set wrong (allegedly, this vehicle was set for "a colder climate" than here (San Jose California), and they recalibrated it."

    I can tell you straight from the horses mouth, there's no such thing as calibrating it for colder/hotter climates. When the vehicles leave the factory, they are all set with a standard (for everyplace) settings. There's nothing to calibrate for that matter.

    Imagine if all vehicles had such a calibration. The warranty/service dept. would be going crazy with "pre-owned" vehicles that have been shipped from one region to another.

    If you believe something WAS done, and your comfortable, then thats great. Maybe something else was tweaked, but certainly not calibrated for a specific climate. I would be interested in seeing what was written on the work-order, or what would turn up on the Oasis report.
  • yoribe2yoribe2 Posts: 65
    I recently rented a Fusion SE with a 4-cyl engine and took it for a drive to Pt. Reyes in California. The car had 9700 miles on it. I am using my 2003 Accord as a benchmark.

    Gripes:

    -The transmission does not have a overdrive or "2" selector for upshifting during hill climbs and overtaking. The transmission is rather slow to upshift, and I would want some degree of control over the shifting.
    -The outside door mirrors are comparably shorter lengthwise.
    -The sun visor kept popping out of its catch every time I flipped it down or up.
    -The turn signal stalk is angled 45 degrees, making it somewhat cumbersome to use.
    -The map lights are integrated in the dome light, in the center of the ceiling which is not the most convenient location for them. They are just too bright.
    -The fuel filler door does not have a locking mechanism.
    -The door panel already made squeaking sounds as I pulled the door to close it.
    -Rear seat only has built-in headrests whereas many competitors have separate adjustable height headrests.
    -The key with the integrated remote door unlock button is too big and thick.
    -Texture, feel, composition, "plushness" of seat upholstery not as good as Acccord's.
    -This is rather subjective, but I felt the gauges looked rather chintzy with the wide beveled silver rims and I never liked Ford's lime green dashboard illumination.
    -Map pockets on front doors are too small to be useful.
    -Suspension could be a little stiffer.

    Anti-gripes:
    -AWESOME styling. It runs circles around Camry and Accord's.
    -2.3 liter engine has decent acceleration, is smooth and power is good.
    -Combined fuel economy was 28.65 MPG with mostly highway miles.
    -Audio controls on steering wheel are handy.
    -Trip computer that computes gas mileage is handy.
    -Minimal and straightforward buttons and controls.
    -Auto-locking feature that locks when the car is in motion is convenient. Being able to open locked doors from inside without having to unlock them is convenient. Accord does not have this feature.
    -Two-tiered console box with power point on the bottom is handy (probably taken from Accord).
    -Steering is precise, probably owing to Mazda mechanicals.

    Question: I read somewhere that the 2.3 engine is the same engine used in the Mazda6i and Mazda3s - is this true?

    If my Accord was totaled, this car would be on the top of my list for a replacement car. I think the styling makes up for the shortcomings I've listed. Ford has a winner here! :D
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "I recently rented a Fusion SE with a 4-cyl engine and took it for a drive to Pt. Reyes in California. The car had 9700 miles on it. I am using my 2003 Accord as a benchmark."

    I think with the exception of one or two items, most of the things you listed under "gripes" are subjective to the driver.

    I don't think you should consider anything other than an Accord. Clearly, you would be happier with a 3 or 4 year old Honda than a new Ford.
  • bj02176bj02176 Posts: 115
    I had a 2003 Accord, and now have a 2006 Fusion, the Fusion rides like a 2002 Camry (had that also) and handles and brakes like a 2003 Accord. Gas mileage on the 6 seems to be about the same as both of them (both were 4 cyls) which is surprising.

    The turn signal stalk is indeed awkward, I hate not having a locking gas cap.

    I like having no rattles of any kind, however I do not like the view out the rear.

    I do like the dash, not as good as the Accord though.

    Even the tires are not bad, still can't get use pulling fast across an intersection and spinning the tires, this did not happen with my 2005 Escape, a fine vehicle unlike my 2001 Mazda Tribute.
  • heel2toeheel2toe Posts: 149
    As I understand it, the Fusion is based on the Mazda6 architecture, and uses the same 2.3L engine as found in the Mazda6i and the Mazda3s. Based on some of the things you talked about, you might want to drive the 6i as a comparison, although it is a touch smaller (1" width and about 4-5" length)...I would imagine its suspension is stiffer -- our 6i corners really nicely for a 4 door sedan.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I feel like it never does what I want it to do.

    If i just want to slightly increase speed it downshits unexpectadly.

    If i want to accelerate quickly, i can't because the thing starts out in second.

    It has jerky shifts and makes for weird throttle tip in. I HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!

    What I want to know is if Nissan can build a CVT cheap enough to put into a Versa for $15,500, why can't Ford get us a CVT in the Fusion?

    Mark.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Ever thought of reprogramming? :)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    know of a bra (front end mask ) avialable for Fusion SEL V6 yet? :shades:
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    "If i want to accelerate quickly, i can't because the thing starts out in second.

    It has jerky shifts and makes for weird throttle tip in. I HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT!"

    Is the new Fusion "drive by wire? People have had the same complaints about the new Sonata.

    I own a '05 4Runner that is "drive by wire". It acts somewhat different than a gas pedal that has direct linkage to the motor/transmission.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    I haven't heard the Sonata's five-speed automatic described in quite those terms, but assuming some people are having that kind of behavior, at least it offers the choice of shifting manually with its "shiftronic" feature.
  • theman123theman123 Posts: 170
    Hey I was just messing around the net and I stumbled upon this short little video of some media personal taking a test drive in the new 2007 Mercury Milan AWD. Notice in the video,it is raining cats and dogs and the car never starts to slip. :shades:

    Here's the video, You need Read Player to watch it
    2007 Mercury Milan AWD Test Video !!!

    Also, I'm starting to hear rumors that the Milan will be available with the New 3.5 liter V6 as an avaliable option. Can anybody find out if this is true or not. :D
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    What I want to know is if Nissan can build a CVT cheap enough to put into a Versa for $15,500, why can't Ford get us a CVT in the Fusion?

    IIRC, the CVT was supposed to be in the Fusion, but was pulled at the last minute before launch. That's why the shifter doesn't have notches for "1", "2" etc.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    and wasn't the CVT dropped because customers didn't like it in the 500?
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