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I'm sure that this questions has come up before but I'm going to ask it anyway.I have a couple of questions about resales vlaues.
1. how are resale values calculated ?
2 How is it that the Fusion/Milan are better built than the Camry. But, the Camry still has a better resale value ?
Thanks
I checked it out, and it is mostly Mazda built in Mexico. She was upset that she was no supporting US economy. Her other choice was Honda Civic, but she wanted an "American car" lol. Civic is made in Ohio!!!
My impression: It's pretty damn fast, especially for a 4 cylinder. I am a Honda driver, so, I have to say, Ford's got a competitor on their hands there. The clutch is a little bit non-linear, she stalled out a few times, and I almost did. The shifter is a little too bulky, especially for her little hands, but the gates are precise, and shifts are smooth. Not like on Altima that she drover a few weeks back and kept putting it in 3rd instead of 1st, because the gates were so darn close and not indented at all. I like that you don't have to pull up on the ring to shift into reverse, like on other Fords.
The single stalk for wipers and turn signals is a little bit confusing. I think the '80's called and want their single stalk back, lol.
The overall fit and finish are not too bad for Mexican assembly. The car had some kind of insulation hanging from under the lower dashboard on delivery, and the weather stripping seam on the driver's door has a huge gap at the bottom.
Time will tell how it holds up. A friend has a 2005 Mazda6 and he has 75,000 miles on it now, with no problems, other than regular maintenance.
Edit:
P.S.The Finance guy tried to sell her "the maintenance package" for a measly $1200 they will do all the maintenance by the book, and even replace wiper blades. I told him "no." He asked why. Told him I maintain the vehicles my self. He told me that the vehicle requires for me to use their oil. I told him that if it requires Ford oil then he has to give to me for free under the Magnuss-Moss act. He quit right there, and did not press this anymore. lol
There is a lot more than just putting the parts together that goes into manufacturing a car. Just because the assembly line is in Mexico, does not mean that there are no jobs in the US related to the Fusion.
Besides, Mexicans are people too, what's wrong with some of them having jobs?
It is kinda funny, though, that the Fusion's cousin, Mazda6, is the one that is assembled in Michigan by UAW labor.
The single stalk works great and to me is a better design than having a separate stalk.
The 2010 Fusion gets a new 2.5L I4 and a 6 speed manual next January, along with a revised front end and interior and a few other changes.
coasting down hills only burned out the brakes. last september, i took a 2200 mile trip from central ct to southwestern ohio, up to middle michigan and back. putting the cruise on 70 mph, i averaged an uncorrected 37.5 mpgs. the epa highway rating was 33 and the odometer under registered by 2%.
I'll get pics up sooner or later, loving it.
An out of date listing of my car, it has pics... SOLD
I find it weird that it does that, and also annoyed, as I am used to modulating speed my throttle. Which in a Manual equipped vehicle, with direct connection to the wheels, without the viscous coupling of a toque converter, would result in immediate change in speed.
Does anybody know the reprogramming procedure for the defogger?
I always reprogram Hondas to allow manual A/C off over ride in Defog and Defog/Feet mode, but it seems that Ford just does not illuminate the A/C button when in defog mode. I can clearly see and feel the a/c compressor engaging when in either of the defog modes.
What's the re-program sequence?
Talking with the service rep about the Fusion. He said the 2009/10 Fusion is going to look very different. Have different headlights/grille and rear. Engines also are going to rival Honda/Toyota in the 4cyl arena. The V6 will still be slightly less HP/Torque. I asked what he knew about the Hybrid? and when? He said the Hybrid will debute soon after the 2009/10's come out. I want the Hybrid. I am really enjoying this Fusion. Very tight, reliable and just plain fun to drive.
the a/c is used to defog the windshield, so i don't see how/why you would want to override that.
Some people who like dry air keep the a/c on all the time and overcome it with heat if it gets too cold. I have the electronic temp control so I don't know if that would work in my car, btw.
Paul
I like the air flow directed at the windshield and feet when I drive, this way it does not dry my eyes. I would rather manually turn on the A/C when it is fogged.
Another thing they wrote is that new Taurus may be based on CD3 platform whichis in all due respoct I cannot imagine.
Are they smoking or it was April 1st?
These opinions are not guaranteed to be true but they make more sense than MT. This has been a pretty active discussion over on BON.
Milan is guaranteed for 2010 - not sure about the Sable. The 2010 Fusion/Milan will be on sale in January. New front end, new drivetrains including a hybrid and a new interior.
This is on a 2007 Fusion SEL.
like the v6. Hopefully in this sport model HID headlights and HD radio
are at least options.
Old MIke
The 2010 model was originally scheduled for this fall as a 2009 model but got delayed until next spring, then got moved back to January. That's why there are still a lot of references to the 2009 model but those are outdated and incorrect.
Ford launched a new mid-range 6 speed trans for the 09 Escape and at launch they said this trans will be offered in one other product next year. The only logical candidate is the 2010 Fusion. If they were going to offer the 3.5L, they would use the 6F in the Taurus/Edge which was specifically developed for the 3.5L.
In the current gas cost crisis, I would rather see Ford spend money on shedding lbs on its cars/trucks then continuing to engage in the HP wars.
Mark
It also seems there will be at least a limited edition using the 3.5L, but not sure about the timing.
The 2010 model job 1 is in December, on sale in January.
2.5l I4
2.5l EB
3.0l V6 (240hp)
ST: 3.5l V6
Hybrid
It seems to me that the 2.5L EB and D30 PIP would overlap in power with the former getting better fuel econ. That raises the question of one of them actually being planned IMO. But he was confident that all of them will be available (whether at launch or not we don't know) and he's been right on most of the time.
I realize that and that's why I, like you, said that the timing was not ever verified. If the EB does in fact make it into the '10 Fusion I would guess it would arrive for JOB2 which should be well after the MKS gets it. The Taurus and Flex will most likely get the EB V6 like the MKS. The Fusion is said to be getting the EB I4 which could mean it's getting that before the Taurus and Flex get theirs.
Why would they roll out 3 EB V6 models before even rolling out one I4? The I4 will be as powerful as a D35 V6 but get much better gas mileage. It would make sense to get the I4 going in something ASAP given gas prices these days.
If it was ready now then we'd be hearing about it like we're hearing about the 3.5L EB.
Wrong, wrong, wrong (to use your words). They still have to get rid of the '08s and sell a lot of '09s before we even see 2010. Why on earth would they tell us how much better the latter will be than the two former?
You have to remember that they've been working on these for several years and gas prices just shot up recently. The EB 3.5L is filling a hole in the engine lineup for the D3 vehicles - there is no other option for 300+ hp.
While the EB 2.5L would yield better mileage, they already have a 240 hp and 265 hp V6 engine available, so there isn't a hole in the lineup, just a more efficient option.
They still have to get rid of the '08s and sell a lot of '09s before we even see 2010. Why on earth would they tell us how much better the latter will be than the two former?
But that's exactly what they did when they announced the EB 3.5L 18 months ago. Everyone knows the EB 3.5L is coming next year for the MKS and Taurus.
I just think they have limited resources and the EB 2.5L was not a priority previously for the reasons above. I'm sure they're looking at moving it up now based on current situation but it won't happen overnight.
Maybe we'll see it later next year but I'd be very surprised if we see it on the 2010 Fusion.
Not quite. The EB line wasn't announced to the public until about 6-8 months ago and we didn't know what vehicles the 3.5L was going into first until that time either. I have a feeling we're going to hear something about the EB 2.5L in L.A. when the 2010 Fusion is revealed. I agree that we probably won't see it in the Fusion at launch but it could probably work its way in mid-MY IMO.
It was announced in July of last year that the MKS would definitely get the TwinForce 3.5L engine instead of the 4.4L V8. The name was changed to EcoBoost a few months later.
We'll have to wait and see, but I just don't see the EB 2.5L anytime soon.
And that was 18 months ago? :confuse: Showing it in a concept car with a different name and confirming it in a production car are two completely different things.
We'll have to wait and see, but I just don't see the EB 2.5L anytime soon.
I agree up to the comma. However I think they'll work faster to get it out given the current market. They need to offer something that Honda, Toyota, Chevy, and Nissan don't have to sell more Fusions IMO. V6 power with I4 fuel efficiency with a small price premium, if any, (my assumption) would be just that. Especially if the EB motors live up to the promises.
No but it's longer than 6-8 months like you originally said. I thought it was in the MKS concept back in Jan. 2007 but it wasn't.
If they were going to do the EB 2.5L then they wouldn't need the PIP 3.0L. I just don't think the EB 2.5L will be available for at least 12-18 months.
At least I was closer! :P
I'm not sure where you're coming up with July either as I've only been able to find the announcement from the L.A. show in November of '07. That includes the Ford media site. I'm always on the lookout for some good insider info.
http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/ford/ford-twinforce-to-debut-in-2009-lincoln-- mks/
PS Until you see it on the ground, or in an order guide, Don't count on it.
They are changing their plans now faster than Oprah changes dress sizes...
Mark
Simply put, ESC just adds a yaw sensor to traction control.
Mark
Mark