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Mazda - Does it have a good future in US?

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  • russeastrusseast Posts: 1
    Interesting, because I was reading a news article and it said the miata was going to be produced in one factory and painted at an adjoining factory. Does anyone have current info?

    When will the '06's be introduced. Maybe by now the '06's are in production, so it's a little misleading on the '05 model year.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Miata, excuse me MX-5, sounds like the real deal - they have managed to keep it under 2500 pounds despite increasing the elbow room and adding side airbags, and now it will have 160 hp? With a new 6-speed manual designed specifically for this model? Roadster types will be in heaven.

    Funny that Mazda dedicates so much of its resources to every detail of this model, and remains fiercely committed to it, despite annual sales that have never hit 6 digits (and were down to 9500 last year). Yet Toyota, giant that it is, killed the Celica for dropping below 20K per year, and the MR2 as well.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Got the "official" word today that the MX-Crossport is a go....late 2006 arrival. The Tribute will remain in the lineup but the Crossport is expected to replace the Tribute as Mazda 3rd best seller.
  • Wow, that quick? At the NYIAS, it was still "gossip" stage, as I mentioned in the "MX Crossport" thread. They decide on an engine for it yet?
  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    Isn't it the same platform as the next Lincoln Aviator, which in turn is based on the Mazda6/Ford Fusion/Lincoln Zephyr?
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Mazda6 based platform.

    npaladin....They didnt give any other details...but I will pass them along as I get them. Once I saw the vehicle and the Aviator concept I had a feeling it was going to get approved. also...no third row seating.
  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    I'd guess it would be the 3.0L Ford, maybe the new 3.5L version as an option..

    Surprised it doesn't have a 3rd row, even if it's just a 'token' that doesn't really hold adults.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Here is something that should stir up some debate....mazda hinted at the national dealer meeting that next years mx-cross sport (actual name not decided yet) will be powered by a 4 cyl turbo engine....no other details.
  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    I would guess that the "standard" Mx-cross would have a V6 and maybe they'd have a Mazdasport version with the powertrain from the Mazdasport 6 (turbo 4). That would make more sense to me.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    audia8q said: mazda hinted at the national dealer meeting that ...

    At this meeting did you see any photos or hear more details (like pricing) of the 3 MPS (aka Mazdaspeed 3) to update the article from Edmunds newsite?

    HIROSHIMA, Japan — Mazda is readying a 'hot hatch' version of the Mazda3 — and we're talking jalapeño! The 3 MPS (Mazda Performance Series) uses the same 2.3-liter engine as the bigger 6 MPS, and this could make the car the hottest hatch on the market.

    The 6 MPS puts out 256 horsepower — way more than the VW Golf GTI (197 hp) or the forthcoming Opel/Vauxhall Astra VXR (237 hp). This should give the 3 MPS a 0-to-60 mph time of below 7 seconds — blistering performance.

    The 3 MPS will debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September and will go on sale shortly after. Its aggressive styling affirms Mazda is quickly shaking off its fuddy-duddy image, helped by the RX-8 and MX-5 sports cars.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    based on my fuzzy recollection, that the MS Mazda6 was going to be more like 280 hp? And when does the Mazda5 arrive? Adding the MX-Cross Sport or whatever it is called is going to make the Mazda line-up awfully confusing.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    Yeah, I agree - I thought the MS 6 had something like 270-280hp?

    I'm not sure where the Tribute (Escape clone) fits in there....seems to be redundant after the MX-Cross comes out.

    Mazda 5 - I think is due in the fall 2005 as a '06 model. Much smaller than the MX-Cross or the MPV van.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Nothing about future speed products....they are trying hard to keep stuff secret.

    MZ6speed....274hp 280ft lb torque - september/october (maybe sooner)

    MZ5...july/Aug arrival.

    cross sport (to be named later) fall 2006

    Tribute will remain in line-up when cross sport arrives... the cross sport will be very car-like and larger compared to the Tribute.

    2006 Miata fits tall people
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    some clarification: the MS Mazda3 will intentionally be down 18 hp on the MS Mazda6. The really bad part? It also will not have the AWD that the Mazda6 does (according to Autoweek). 250+ hp through the front wheels only - rings of torque steer a la Altima/Maxima V-6. Too much power for the front wheels only.

    audia8q - don't all convertibles by definition fit tall people? They have no roof! :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    Definitely doesn't make sense that the 'cross sport' would only have a turbo 4 while a V6 would be available in the smaller Tribute - I don't think that would go over very well...
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    do you think they would be better off putting in an engine with less horsepower just to say its got a V6? I personally would prefer the extra hp...I dont care if they do it with a 4cyl turbo or V12.....
  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    I think the MazdaSport crowd would "get it" but your typical SUV/Crossover/family people mover buyer would rather have the V6, IMO...

    For me personally, I'm not a big fan of turbo engines, I'd rather just have a normally aspirated engine...less maintenance problems.
  • fitguyfitguy Posts: 222
    I second that- owned 1 turbo (VW 1.8T) and they aren't, IMO, worth the extra hassle (higher maint, run premium, run hot/wear down motor oil, tubo lag). Gimme a nice, smooth, hi-tec V6 or I4 that is designed to run efficient on 87 octane. And they keep getting better every year. :)
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    Without turbocharged vehicles (trains, & tractor trailers), you would not be taking delivery of the smooth, hi tec V6 or I4 automobiles that you desire.

    I wouldn't sell turbocharged vehicles short (especially if you live in high altitudes), if I were you... :shades:
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    As a former SLAAB owner, I can definitely agree that turbos are not worth the hassle. Also, fitguy, you left out one other important factor ... turbocharged cars do not fetch very high resale values because of the maintenance nightmares they present as they age. (I know from experience with TWO turbocharged cars of different makes.)

    Meade
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    It was a Mazda 626 turbo and it still ran solid with after being stolen and recovered with 144,000 miles on it. My friend just sold his Toyota MR2 turbo with 110,000 and that car was solid also. Neither of those cars were maintenance hogs.

    I wouldn't judge all turbo cars based on a few Saab and VW cars, which are high maintenance whether they have a turbo or not.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Not much extra maint here either. 1991 MR2 Turbo had 5000 mile oil changes and ran like a top at 90K when I sold it. The engine in my 1988 RX7 wasn't the weak part of THAT car. And my 150K 300ZX TT was still running at 170K last I heard.

    I'd say VW and SAAB was the biggest problem. Not the the aspiration of the engine.
  • fitguyfitguy Posts: 222
    Hmmm- sounds like maybe the German/Euro cars w/turbos are high maintenance and the Japanese cars are not. Yep, I'll go with that. Still rather not have a turbo at all, just in case! ;)
  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    I'd prefer to buy a car that runs on 87 octane gas, most turbos want 91 octane. I still say, give me a normally aspirated engine....I'll pass on the turbo.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    That seems to me like a more logical reason why you'd pass on a turbo. In some places, the difference in price between regular and premium can be significant.

    I'm not aware of any extra maintenance required for turbo vehicles, and like I said before and like gee35 also pointed out, I don't think it was the turbos that were the problems with VWs and Saabs.

    But anyway, I like turbo cars, they're fun. I love the feeling of the boost coming on and I love the sound. I had a co-worker who had a modified Eclipse and that thing was insane. It really put you in your seat and the turbo was so loud it sounded like a turbo diesel semi truck's turbo going up a mountain.

    I also remember going to the weekend races at Brainerd International and watching the Buick Grand Nationals. When those those things were in the burn out box, they let out an awesome ear piercing shriek.
  • davem2001davem2001 Posts: 564
    That's another point, too - For a daily driver, definitely give me the non-turbo, for economic reasons...If I could afford a 3rd or 4th car as a "toy" to drive on weekends, a turbo would be fun...

    So getting back to the topic somewhat, if I were looking at this Mazda CrossSport SUV/crossover/people mover thingy - just give me the 3.0 V6..

    If we're talking about a Miata or an RX-8, that's a different animal....
  • jsnewjerseyjsnewjersey Posts: 21
    My 6 Wagon died after three days and no one is in a hurry to fix it........
    Neither the dealer I purchased the car from, the Mazda dealer where it now sits for a third day not yet serviced or Mazda USA whom I emailed.I've been told to expect my car next week. If Mazda is going to compete with Nissan they need to get their customer service act together.They are off to a very bad start with me.
    I had two friends look at my car over the weekend when it was running and one was ready to buy one this week. When I told him how disinterested Mazda was in getting it fixed he crossed the 6 off. It wasn't the reliability it was the lack of service that changed his mind.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    someone in the office here today asked me about the new Mazda5. Maybe that model is going to attract more notice than I originally thought...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Like you, I'm not sure about the MZ5....but we have a 3-4 people a week asking so I feel better than the car was announced... The MZ6speed has been the real surprise...all but one of our initial allocation is spoken for. I was expecting alot of folks to "wait and see" before buying this but I was sure wrong.
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