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Acura MDX 2007
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That said, I've already put 900 miles on my Tech/Ent model (two road trips), and I have to say that with the XM radio, I didn't miss the iPod link and now I don't care about it anymore. It's a very comfortable ride and the stereo is awesome. You will love yours, and I'm sure an aftermarket company will fix the iPod problem if Acura doesn't.
240 lb-ft @ 2000 rpm
260 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm
270-275 lb-ft @ 4000 - 5500 rpm (before tapering off).
But the real miracle of this car is the SH-AWD combined with the magnetic shocks. It has none of the nose-heavy feel of most big SUVs, and actually rotates on throttle. That is what makes this thing special. I actually enjoy driving it, and am ok when I have to leave my M3 in the garage...
First of all, for Acura's sake, I would hope that it compares favourably against the outgoing X5 3.0! Wonder how it would fare, though, against the new X5 3.0, never mind the V8 version?
Secondly, most personal reviews from Joe Consumer that I've read seem punctuated with remarks about how the MDX seems sluggish, albeit measured with buttmeters.
"That balance is why the old MDX out-sold the X5 and Infiniti FX by a ratio of more than 2 to 1."
I'm not sure if the main reason is the "balance", or rather, the fact that it really was aiming at a totally different market, one which essentially viewed the MDX as an AWD Odyssey?
my wife is getting an 06 TL with NAv and i'm envious of the nice large NAV screen which is also voice activated unlike my B9 Tribeca among other tech features the Acura has over subaru
was thinking of getting the 07 MDX and test drove one but didn't have nav and dealer ddin't have any with nav yet.
wasn't suuper impressed and while it will have some things the Tribeca doesn't there are a few though less things that i like better about the tribeca.
not being super impressed i'm not in a major rush to get it plus will wait till i can get for invoice which may be awhile
going with wife tonight to pick up her TL so will find out more about the mdx but i think they would have called me by now if they could do invoice and i have anothe dealer that will do the same though they said it took the old mdx 2-3 years to sell at invoice, i'm like oh well, i just wont by it then, in 2 years beter suvs will be out.
plus speakin of tech like nav and the screens,, i saw in a magazine the new Chrysler Sebring has an all in one NAV unit with 20gb hard drive and usb connection so you can put mp3s and i assume movies and pictures as well. I am very interested in something like that i know Pioneer has some amazing all in one touch screen voice activated nav units some of whic i think have some hd space.
i would get an Acura just for the superior voice activated nav which the new ones also have live traffic but if aftermarket units like the Pioneer might be better anyway then....
this would prob be more for a Tribeca thread but i think i already asked if one of the Pioneer head units with larger screen then B9's nav would fit where the nav screen is on the tribeca. of course then you might lose the other menus of the nav system like the mpg, temp etc. which wouldn't be too preferable.
MY2004 TL/NAV arrived with a price tag of $34.7K. It doesn’t depend on how much you paid at the showroom. MSRP in the following years don’t follow what you paid doesn’t get adjusted to market price in the past either. Along with additions and inflation, the MSRP on that model for MY2007 is $36.1K. Transmission didn’t matter, since both transmissions were priced identically. That addresses the banana to peeled banana comparison.
Now, TL-S isn’t TL. It is another trim, not unlike TL-S from the previous generation. More horsepower, sport tuned chassis and a few additional features for an additional price. Those add-ons increased the MSRP (note: not to be confused with market price) to $38.1K. That’s a $2K premium for sport package, along with additional power. Is it too steep? You decide. Comparing pricing on two different trims, would be the apples to banana comparison.
As far as MDX goes, it is a major model makeover, and not unlike something TL saw with MY2004 redesign. TL saw a jump in price by about 10%. MDX is seeing a jump of about 8%. And with the price came considerable improvements in both vehicles. So, complaining about abrupt increase in price is unwarranted. Again, if you want to, compare apples to apples (or bananas to bananas).
MDX Q7 FX35
0-60 (s) 7.5 7.5 7.3
1/4 Mile(s) 15.9 15.6 15.5
1/4 Mile (mph) 87.6 90.2 91
Braking (0-60, ft) 129 118 123
600-ft Slalom, mph 60.3 62.1 62.4
Roadhoalding(g) 0.82 0.84 0.84
Bottom line: I think the MDX is competitive in performance. The Audi Q7 is the 4.2 V8 version.
Secondly, most personal reviews from Joe Consumer that I've read seem punctuated with remarks about how the MDX seems sluggish, albeit measured with buttmeters.
I'm not sure if the main reason is the "balance", or rather, the fact that it really was aiming at a totally different market, one which essentially viewed the MDX as an AWD Odyssey?"
My point was that I see quite a bit talk suggesting that if the MDX doesn't beat the BMW, then it's not sporty enough. Posters here make it seem as though 2nd place isn't worth spit.
I agree with your second point. Many test drivers have concluded that the MDX does not leap off the line.
However, I was talking about track performance. Various reports from the comparison at Beaver Run had the MDX taking corners faster than all but the Porsche, and leaving them all behind when the road straightened out. This is, of course, at WOT and being measured with lap times.
That is not the same as the first two seconds of acceleration from a stand still with the pedal only pressed half-way to the floor. Which is how most consumers will test drive.
Being linked with the kind of utility provided by the Odyssey isn't a bad thing. In fact, that's probably why the MDX was so immensely popular.
When I'm talking about balance, I'm talking about being able to haul a decent number of people in comfort. Being able to take that antique dresser home immediately instead of paying to have it shipped. Being able to handle the twisties and bring a grin to the driver's face once in a while. Or providing comfort for long hauls and while sitting in traffic. And not breaking the bank. That's balance.
The old MDX was a bit short on sport, but this new one seems to have addressed that.
You can think of the MDX as being an AWD Odyssey, but the prior X5 and FX are both known as the hatchbacks of the SUV world. Plenty of sport, but almost zero practical utility. I'm reading all this glowing admiration for sporty characteristics, but the sportiest members of the class are the slowest selling. When BMW engineers redesigned the X5, they didn't make it significantly sportier. They made it bigger and gave it more seats. Clearly, they were seeking better "balance".
I have a HDD/CD/DVD recorder and I want to be able to play recorded shows in the car for the kids.
THX
However, one thing I have noticed in all FWD cars is that they tend to track poorly compared to their RWD counterparts. The explanation I was given by engineering friends is that accelerating with same wheels that do the steering magnifies any tendencies to pull to the right or left on smooth roads, or go back and forth over rough roads. And when you are maintaining cruising speed on the highway at 60 mph, you are effectively "accelerating" against tire and air resistence.
I cannot understand why, in an SUV, Acura insists on using "SH" AWD that is still FWD based/biased. They would have a much better system if it was RWD based and transferred power to the front wheels when needed (e.g. Porsche, Mercedes, BMW).
It's because Honda is so heavily committed to FWD transverse engine platforms. For a RWD-biased AWD vehicle to really make sense, it should be based on a longitudinal drivetrain layout. At which point packaging would also be improved and weight would go down. It wouldn't make sense for Honda to do a RWD-biased AWD system with the current FWD/transverse platforms they have.
Personally, I think it's time for Honda to branch out a little. They are really milking the FWD/transverse layout a bit too much for my tastes. It made sense for an 84 Accord, but not so much for vehicles like the MDX and Ridgeline....
Because during cruising the front end in all but rear heavy cars (mid-engined) has greater load while the rear end tends to “lift” (a reason for addition of spoilers to generate downforce). It allows for greater power on wheels with greater traction, in addition to what I would consider minor gains in fuel economy (lower drivetrain loss).
Now during acceleration, the theory applies in reverse which also happens to be the beauty of SH-AWD system. Although even there, Honda has tuned SH-AWD differently in the three existing applications (RL gets 40-60, MDX gets 50-50 and RDX gets 55-45) likely depending on the dynamics of the chassis for optimum traction.
Here in Canada, we only get two option packages, one (Technology) which includes the nav and rear camera + perforated seats + upgraded stereo system and the other (Elite) which includes the Technology components + the RES + power tailgate + upgraded alloys + auto lev headlights + the active damper system.
In a sense, the choice is made easier and harder. But the bottom line is, in Canada, if you want what I'd call the 'useful' options, you need to order the Elite package.
One of the mainstream car mags (MT,C&D,R&T) recently did a 'first drive' mini-review and panned the active damper system as not contributing anything more to the standard suspension handling.
But like you, I'd rather hear from someone who has taken delivery on one and knows first hand what the impact is.
wanted to get some opinions on the following:
Just had discussion with a good friend of mine who insists that the Honda Pilot is the same as the MDX. He's claiming that the Pilot is also a luxury SUV, and that the MDX is nothing but a souped up Pilot. He doesn't believe there is any difference in the refinement, quality, or luxury. I have to say that I am a huge MDX fan and am looking forward to purchsing the 2007 MDX in the near future, and was more than a little annoyed at the comments. I ttok a look at the specs (like there was any doubt) on both cars, and there is no way that the Pilot is even close to the MDX in everything from comfort to technology. However, having not had a chance to test drive either (yet) I would appreciate any comments or opinoins from anyone out there who has actually seen/test driven both cars. :shades:
But like I said, that's just one guys opinion - go drive both and I think you'll see what I mean!
I guess I don't know what your friend's angle is (does he have a Pilot and feels the need to defend it?) but the two vehicles are quite different in my opinion. It doesn't take much to notice that, especially with the 07 MDX.
Even if the next generation pilot shares the platform with the 07 mdx, I highly doubt they will include the SHAWD feature on the pilot as well as the luxury features.
The pilot is a well reviewed car. But it is pretty boring. I've tried to get myself into the dealer to test drive it many times....
It confirms what I had already known. Nice to here from people who have ACUTALY driven or atleast read about both cars, unlike my friend who has done niether.
He other contention was that if you buy a luxury car, all you are paying for is the name and the "upscale" service. Like I said before he flat out stated that he felt the Pilot was a Luxury car, and no different than an MDX. Not sure what his motives were for making such a comment.
In either case I will have to test drive both to suit my own curiosity and research. But my wife and I have NO doubt we wll purchse a 2007 MDX. Thanks all. :shades:
That being said, I much prefer the Sport because the MDX corners much flatter without any body lean in sport mode and if I am having a bad day or on a rough road I can always set it to comfort to spoil myself :shades:
With "sport" mode really seems to help in the pockmarked/rippled twisties and actually makes the standard version feel springy and underdamped. To summarize the post-drive thoughts, I will use the exact words:
"With the Sport Model, the active damper system maintains the feel for the road, but the level of stability is almost supernatural. Nothing we could throw at it seemed to upset it, whether it was a high speed double railroad crossing, a stream of whoop-de-doos, cratered pavement, NOTHING. Of course, tire adhesion remains a limiting factor, but it was almost as if you could go bombing over anything without worrying about spilling a drop of your mochaccino. It's almost not even fair to compare this system to that of the competitors. I only tried it against the Cayenne and a 4.4L BMW X5. The Cayenne did a decent job of maintaining its composure, at the expense of your internal organs. The BMW X5 was so smooshy that it felt okay at lower speeds, but at any sort of decent clip it quickly progressed towards the terrifying end of the spectrum."
Based on that, I would say that getting active dampers would be worth it if cost isn't an issue.
Hmmm...rotflmao...ah..ok...I know you probably did not intend this statement to be funny...but, isn't "worth" always a function of "cost"? I mean, if cost isn't a consideration, then one would never have to ask if something is "worth it".
Really, the reason to get the suspension is for more performance over the stock suspension....not for better comfort over stock ===>That's why it's called the Sports Package
By the way....I could care less about the MDX's off the line performance....going through the twisties, the MDX, will hang with the X5 if not best it.(My friend was driving one in front of me..but he ended up behind me fairly quick. Did he beat me off the line from my house? Sure. Did he beat me up the mountain? Nope.)
looking than the Pilot. And now the 2007 is
looking even better! You've gotta go with what
you like and what makes you happy. I have friends that do the same crap to me about my
car and the cars of other friends. I always
tell them I could care less, this is the one
"I" like!!!
PRICE PAID: I got one w/ the Tech package and paid MSRP but managed not to pay the $670 freight through very tough bargaining. I'm in the Pittsburgh area.
Here are my first impressions:
+ Very Quiet. I commute alot on the highway--some parts smooth, some parts not. There is some windnoise, but given a car this size, it is expected. However, it is surprisingly minimal. The roadnoise is also minimal. I think it's the tires. Overall, one quiet vehicle.
+ Very Smooth. Period.
+ Very Agile. I read some reviews complaining that there is only 5 gears. Well, the shifting is smooth and gear ratios are so well balanced I don't even notice.
+ Very Fast. I believe the acceleration numbers are so-so. But boy is this car fast. It was doing 95mph last night and it wanted to go faster. Need to wait for engine to break in just a bit more before pushing it farther. Even at 95mph, the car was poised and glued to the road.
+ Looks like a mad robot. Much more masculine than last iteration.
+ Very impressive ELS sound system
+ Rear view camera a must!
+ Voice commands
+ At first I decided against this because 1) felt there was too much plastic on the dash and 2) doors felt light and hollow. However, once you drive the vehicle you forget about everything else. Plus, you're going to use voice commands anyway to control the dash, no point in pressing stuff anymore. As for the light and hollow feeling door -- well, the car is so quiet and solid that it is not an issue anymore.
- Looks like a mad robot. Some people don't like it. But I do.
- Some learning curve on all the tech stuff
- Can't think of any right now ... still in love with it.
On hard plastic--why are the door pulls themselves cheap plastic. I expected solid chrome myself.
but gone is hard dash and door panels. A nice SUV.