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If you're any kind of negotiator it's very easy to get them to increase your trade in or reduce the selling price by the amount of the dealer fee.
And I'll take Stand your Ground over anti-gun high tax liberal states like CA, NY, MD, Mass, and Illinois any day.
Stand your ground - such a vague phrase with so many interpretations. In Maryland stand your ground generally means standing strong against such things as outrageous dealer fees. A vast difference from Florida's interpretation of the phrase.
To set the record straight and factual, we progressives in Maryland are not anti-gun or high tax lovers. It is true we do recognize the value of sensible fire arm regulation as well as the value of well spent taxes and well designed tax laws. We truly do understand the Second Amendment along with most of the others.
I think Rhode Island, Vermont, Oregon and Washington should be in any list of "anti gun high tax liberal states." All very nice places to raise a family in relative safety, in case anyone is interested in such things.
Motor Vehicle Service Agreement - Forms & Rate Issues
As a result of SB 2176, effective 06/01/2010, the requirement that forms and rates for motor vehicle service agreements (also referred to as an auto extended warranty).be filed and approved by the Office of Insurance Regulation has been lifted.
By July 1, 2011, each service agreement sold in this state must be accompanied by a written disclosure to the consumer that the rate charged for the service agreement is not subject to regulation by the OIR. A service agreement company may comply with this requirement by including such disclosure in its service agreement form or in a separate written notice provided to the consumer at the time of sale.
The OIR may order a service agreement company to stop using a form that:
1. Is in violation of or does not comply with the Florida Insurance Code or an Administrative Rule.
2. Contains any inconsistent, ambiguous, or misleading clauses, or exceptions and conditions which deceptively affect the risk purported to be assumed in the general coverage of the service agreement.
3. Has any title, heading, or other indication of its provisions which is misleading.
4. Is printed or otherwise reproduced in such manner as to render any material provision of the form substantially illegible.
5. Contains any provision which is unfair or inequitable or which encourages misrepresentation.
6. Contains any provision which makes it difficult to determine the actual insurer or service agreement company issuing the form.
7. Contains any provision for reducing claim payments due to depreciation of parts, except for marine engines.
One from Assurant via USAA for 2 years, 24k miles for $1,200 - no waiting period, no deductibles.
One from Mercury via AAA for 4 years, 48k miles for $1,900 - one month waiting period, $100 deductible per breakdown/repair (regardless of the number of parts.)
This has covered my 1999 auto (150k+ miles) and is part of my GEICO automobile insurance. It has a $250 deductible for each occurrence.
The cost (in my situation) has been $97 per year (First year, while car was under manufacturers warranty cost $30.) However, I am required to carry collision and comprehensive insurance as well so since my car is 13 years old and normally I would have dropped this, the cost is actually much higher.
(In my situation, the coverage is indefinite - so long as I keep my GEICO policy (including collision/comprehensive coverage.) Currently, I believe they only offer this for 7yr/100k miles and most owners would keep their collision/comprehensive insurance anyway.)
Here is why I like this instead of a standard extended warranty. With the standard extended warranty, the issuer receives the full premium in advance and it is to their benefit to avoid paying out claims to the extent they can. With the GEICO plan, they are collecting a portion of the premium every six months. They have additional incentive to keep the consumer happy so as to not completely loose them as an auto insurance customer.
GEICO requires that any repair be authorized by them first before work (other than the diagnosis) begins. They have always allowed me to bring my car to the service facility of my choice. The usual procedure is I report the problem to GEICO and bring the car to the shop. The shop contacts GEICO and explains the problem and repair cost. GEICO then either 1) approves the repair, 2) sends an inspector out to examine the car at the repair facility and if they agree, approves the repair or 3) explains why they won't cover the repair (normal maintenance item, they don't feel repair is needed, the failed part is covered under the manufacturer's warranty or the car was not adequately maintained (this last one never happened with me.)) When the repair is covered, I pay the $250 deductible and GEICO directly pays the rest by credit card.
The reason I have been so pleased with this coverage is because GEICO acts as an intermediary between myself and the repair facility. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable about repairs to know if I am being taken advantage of when it comes to repairs - so GEICO does this for me. I've also received advice from the GEICO claims adjuster. On one occasion when a failure (leaking exhause system) was not covered, he suggested that instead of having the full pipe replace for $750 that I just bring it elsewhere and have it corrected with flexible tubing.
So, before anyone asks, I have no financial interest in the insurance company - I'm not an owner. I've just been very please with this product.
If you don't have any evidence or don't like the post, you are free to ignore it.
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For me it is the only way to go for peace of mind and non-budgeted surprises.
Count me in,
P.S. I am now looking for another one for a 2007 Hyundai. Who would be recommended?
In re US Fidelis, Inc.
Steve, visiting host
This explanation for why they went bankrupt probably applies to other similar companies still operating. They just haven't gone out of business yet!
I remember hearing all the radio ads for US Fidelis a few years ago, they sure SOUNDED trustworthy! :sick: :lemon:
On the window of the car, it had a small sticker saying this car had warranty plans, ranging from 30-90 days. On an even bigger sticker on the back windshield, in large print, there are 2 check boxes:
[ ] No Warranty- As Is
[X] Warranty
Warranty is clearly checked, and it goes on to describe the warranty info. It also had the specific model number and stock number of the vehicle, in the dealership's system. So this sticker was specifically for this vehicle.
So throughout the process of purchasing the vehicle, the dealer, named Mike, kept mentioning the warranty. When I went for a test drive, I noticed a possible leak and the A/C making a rattling noise. Again, he kept mentioning the warranty, saying "Any issues with the car, you bring it in and we fix that up for you, no charge." Those issues were fixed within a day, in the midst of finalizing the deal. With the warranty and these issues fixed, we obviously felt confident about this car.
The day I finalized the purchase, I met with Mike in the morning. I payed in full, cash, for the vehicle. It was being registered in my mother's name, so we had to come back to sign papers later on when she was out of work.
When we returned, Mike was not there, and we dealt with a different salesman. We sat in a room, and he had us signing papers. He kept making it a point that we'd be out of here with a new car in minutes. He handed us things to sign, basically said "sign this and you'll be out of here within 3 minutes." So clearly, he's in a rush to get us out. Without describing what we were signing, the receipt had in small print "Car sold 'as is.' No warranty on this vehicle." Never was I notified that the warranty was suddenly not being offered to me. So with that said, why would I even think to ask about it? And why would they not explain it to my mother? This was the first time she came with me to the dealership, so wouldn't they explain everything to the person they are really selling it to?
Less than a week after purchasing the vehicle, my check engine light came on and the car was leaking fluids. I called on a Monday to schedule an appointment, they couldn't get me in until Friday. I showed up and handed my keys over. Before going to the waiting room, I made sure to ask "This is covered under warranty, correct?" The lady responded, "Yes, you're all set. No worries." So I waited patiently for 2 1/2 hours. They finally came in, said they fixed the engine light issue (spark plug). They couldn't fix the leak, I guess they didn't have the parts they needed. It was a Friday, so any orders wouldn't be in until the following Tuesday the earliest. So Tuesday came around, no call. On Wednesday, I called them up and asked how long I'd be waiting. She said they don't have any way of tracking the shipment, so they didn't even know. On Thursday, I received a restricted call. They left a voice-mail. Turns out it was the dealership. The lady said to give her a call back.
I call her back, and she informs me that I am not covered under warranty, but they will not charge me for fixing the spark plug before. The car was sold as is, and they have the papers to prove it. I explain how there was a verbal agreement and how it was even posted on the car. She says that apparently, my car was too old to cover with a warranty (2000 Ford Taurus) so that is why it was sold as is. I WAS NEVER INFORMED THIS. She said they would be willing to work on my car, just obviously with me paying out of pocket as normal. She says that the mechanics also noticed a coil spring near the rear tire is loose. She just thought she would mention it to be courteous, as I have a 4 month old baby that I drive with in this car. She's worried that it could blow a tire while driving. WHY IN THE WORLD was I not informed this sooner? The mechanic withholding that information potentially put my daughter and I at serious risk, as I frequently drive on the highway.
So at this point, I decided to call Mike to set things straight. I explain to him how there was warranty information ON THE CAR in two different locations, and all throughout our discussion, he kept mentioning it. He explained that he doesn't recall discussing it, as it was 2 weeks ago. The only thing they can go by is what's on paper, which is a signature of my mother, finalizing the deal, with the tiny words mentioning the whole "as is" business. He said the best he could do was double check the papers. He abruptly hung up the phone. He never called back.
I have not contacted them since. However, today I discovered the large sticker about the warranty in my glove box. I plan on having a talk with them tomorrow. At the least, I'll explain that I was completely mislead, that transferring to a different employee could've caused an error, that mine and my child's life has been in danger, and delaying the repair of this car has potentially caused even greater damage.
Also, I found this tidbit about purchasing as-is vehicles:
"As-is is a term used in warranty law to disclaim the seller's liability for faults in the item sold. The buyer accepts the item in the present condition, whether the faults are apparent or not. "As-is" language clarifies that no written or verbal warranties were made to the buyer and is used to protect the seller. However, the seller cannot misrepresent the item or use fraud to induce the sale."
Verbally, the dealer never informed me of the "as-is" condition of the sale.
Am I in the wrong? Is there any chance they'll actually help me? Could I build a case here, or at least get them to fix my car???
I literally just payed them in full, with cash, for a used car, and they clearly snuck this tiny detail of as-is under my nose at the last second...
However, that was 2008. Today, if you want to buy an extended warranty, and IF YOU LIVE IN FLORIDA, YOU'RE SCREWED! :mad:
Since my warranty is about to expire, I called Black Cadillac to price a renewal . . . but when I said I live in Florida, he told me HE'S BEEN NOTIFIED BY GM MANAGEMENT THAT HE'S NO LONGER ALLOWED TO SELL WARRANTIES TO CONSUMERS IN FLORIDA.
A call to the GM Warranty people (800-631-5590) verified this is true. If you live in Florida, no GM dealer in any other state can sell you a warranty.
NOTE: Even if an out-of-state dealer LIES and says he can sell you a warranty, GM Warranty said it will eventually be cancelled.
While I'd like to start some kind of grass-roots effort to fight this, I don't have the resources to fund such a project . . . but I do have web development and publication skills that I would volunteer to such a movement.
If there are other Florida residents who agree that this kind of purchasing discrimination is down-right UNAMERICAN, please contact me. Let's see if it might be possible to get that ridiculous ruling repealed!
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What did the warranty disclosure paper say the warranty was? (what did it cover, for how long?)
A few things you did learn:
1. always have your favorite mechanic check a used car out before you buy it.
2. if it's not on the contract you signed, it doesn't count. The car could have 'free repairs for life' painted on it, but that doesn't mean there's a warranty on it.
3. you'll usually get more straight answers from the service department than from sales.
4. twelve year old Fords tend to leak.
I hope they helped you out.
The pen is mightier than the sword!
I was sold a Zurich Optional Service contract with purchase of a new Honda. (its just yesterday).
Should I cancel it? as many forums I read sound like this is a third party warranty. (Finance guy told me this would cover electronics as well at $0 deductible and unlimited miles of towing if required).
If I have to cancel it how do I do it? I live in CA.
Whats better Optional Service contract or EW?
the papers. Their sales closer said we should add an extended warranty, that the factory
warranty was not very good. I wanted to walk but my wife wanted her car.
The closer pulls out a fuel injector he had in his desk and said the injector is 1200.00
to replace and would fail as soon as the factory warranty was over. I wanted to walk but
my wife wanted her car. The extended warranty was to cover anything and everything
no questions asked. The car was fine until we had past the factory warranty and had
only the extended (covers everything) warranty.
Well one Sunday after Church the car is in third gear and the shifter is in no gear.
We drove slow and timed the traffic lights so we didn't come to a full stop and got the
car to the dealer. Monday morning the dealer looked the car over and said unfortunately
the repair would not be covered. It seems that the shifter didn't wear out or break it just
fell apart. And parts that fall apart are not covered by the extended warranty.
I will never buy another GM car. Today I drive a Toyota and never have felt slighted by
Toyota or the dealer.
I don't blame you for blaming the dealer that sold you the warranty, but there are plenty of bad dealers across all brands,even Toyota. The general consensus here is to stay away from 3rd party warranties and only go with manufacturer warranties.
It's simple: just say "no thanks" regardless of the BS reasons the finance guy comes up with. NOTHING a dealer sells at closing is worth getting. That's where he makes his profit.
When a dealer finance character tries to sell me a service contract, sometimes called extended warranty, I respond by mentioning the sales person has just spent several hours convincing me the vehicle is wonderful. I then ask the finance character if he is telling the vehicle is actually no good. They don't teach a response to that question in dealer finance role playing. The reaction this elicits is priceless.
In my opinion, Carchecx sucks, Carchex is a waste of money, and Carchex has terrible customer service.
This dealer is scammed you. No finance institition requires a lendee purchase a vehicle extended service contract as a condition of loan. It is likely you really qualified for a rate lower than 5 percent. Smart thing is to check with your local bank or credit union or even one of the on-line auto loan providers, like Capital One to see the actual rate you could have gotten.
You might consider revisiting this dealership and speak to the general manager about this finance person. Not sure, but this scam might be illegal. Who knows, the GM might offer you a freebe or two to avoid possible legal action from you.
I take many of the complaints about Warranty Direct with a grain of salt. Many people purchase these plans without reading the contract, and then they get mad when something isn't covered (even though it was clearly stated in the contract).
I think it all boils down to preference. Would it be better to just open a savings account and put $100 in it each month? Maybe--depends who you ask. What I will say is that Warranty Direct IS legitimate, and they have paid out THOUSANDS of dollars toward my repairs over the last few years. The only complaint I can possibly think of is that sometimes, late in the day, their claims dept didn't get back to my mechanic, and I ended up having to leave the car overnight. Ultimately, they always paid, though.
In the two separate service incidents at my local Firestone dealer, they authorized both repairs, paying 100% of the costs. This would have cost me almost $1,300. I paid $975 or so with tax for the warranty from my credit union. I couldn't be any happier, unless the repairs were not needed, and I could qualify for a refund of an unused warranty!
I have almost 2 years and 30,000 miles left on this thing, and it has paid for itself in about 45 days!
The truck was at speed when it happened, so much more damage than had it been at idle.
Warranty Solutions response: "we see shellac or sludge, we deny" . Contract doesn't say "see" anywhere, it says "caused by". Two mechanics doing the tear-down agree that no sludge was involved and that the 'shellac' on the oil-splashed surfaces is typical of a hot engine at 90+K miles (all 'friction' surfaces were pristine, including piston walls, and rod bearings checked).
So son files a formal appeal request, with a detailed rebuttal of the garbage from the 'inspector', and Warranty Solutions says they will send another inspector. They don't, instead sending the same guy out, to signoff on his original report (cover himself), all while the Dodge mechanic is showing him otherwise.
So now my son must put $7000 into a remanufactured longblock install, on a truck he is still paying on. That includes the $675 in labor charges for the dealer to do the tear-down for the inspection!
Bad enough that my son doesn't make enough to be above the US poverty level, but to get the 'shaft' from a company that was "servicing" mainly Military members is just sad. He survives Iraq, with a wife and newborn back home, only to come back and have this happen.
MILES (www.usmiles.com) should stand up for the products they market and package with their loans (at 17%apr btw).
Wells Fargo (now the parent of Warranty Solutions) clearly is concerned more about conservation of their wealth, rather than providing a service they were paid dearly for.
In the end: putting away a nest egg for repairs and keeping it growing during every car you purchase is a good idea (at least until the NEXT emergency comes to take it all away).
Beyond extended Warranties with a Manufacturers name on it, these others (if you are talking about small stuff) will probably honor repairs. But really Big stuff? They will go out of their way to ensure that THEY do not pay out a dime.
As you indicated, people would be much better served if they simply put the additional monthly car payment which would result if they purchased an overpriced service contract for the dealer and into a bank account to be used if needed. Of course, if there are no repairs the buyer has the money rather than the dealer.
Also anyone interested in an extended service contract should indeed only buy one from the OEM. Also, those contracts which are sold at the time the vehicle is purchased are greatly overpriced. Usually, they can be found on line from a dealer at a much lower cost.
A.K.A. "Debtor-for-life"...
Last time I paid cash, but otherwise, I usually take out a 5-year loan with payments I know I can comfortably afford, even if I have a (not totally drastic) change in income. I then pay $50-100 extra each month. That plan fits my comfort level better than a shorter-term loan.
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My 2 options are:
1. Saab Secure Warranty backed by Allstate Dealer Services (administered by Pablo Creek)
2. Service Shield backed by Amtrust Financial (administered by Royal Administration Services)
Both of these plans that I am looking at are exclusionary (OEM-type) policies. # 2 is somewhat cheaper than # 1.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks!