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Buick LaCrosse



  • verdi942verdi942 Posts: 304
    that's a gussied-up Avalon, and the numbers, "330" were on the trunk. Anyway, if the LaCrosse had debuted say, 2 years ago [when the Century/Regal replacement was supposed to, until Bob Lutz demanded something better], it might have been competitive with the likes of Avalon, Lexus, yikes! used DeVilles! Now, a CXS with an MSRP <$25K, that'd be competitive! It shows how tough it is to play catch-up in the automotive world unless you've got a standout like the Chrysler 300.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    I bet you can find a CXS for $25k or you will be able to soon.

    GM sticker prices are way out of wack. They even just lowered sticker prices on some of their SUVs - Trailblazer....

    I really like the LaCrosse, but think the Avalon may be better - I have not driven one yet. On paper it looks like like the Avalon wins.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I generally agree with you but the Allure prices in Canada seem less out of wack than they are in the U.S. I'm guessing you will see bigger discounts down there.

    Looking at the 2 cars, the LaCrosse clearly wins over the Avalon. Avalon is a bigger car though.
  • tpkentpken Posts: 1,108
    That's always been a close call - attractive to the same type of buyer who wants a luxury ride at a reasonable price. I've had Buicks, Oldsmobiles and three pre-owned DeVilles and enjoyed them very much. Now if you really want to save and don't need the car right now - buy that loaded LaCrosse CXL or CXS as a lease return in a year or two.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    If you drove a 2002 ES, the numbers on the back were 300 and not 330. The 3.3L debuted in the 2004 model year, and theres a big difference in the torque curve of the engines. (300 peaking at 220 pounds @ 4400 RPM and 330 peaking at 240 lbs at 3600 RPM)

  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    Looking at the 2 cars, the LaCrosse clearly wins over the Avalon. Avalon is a bigger car though

    you guys (and gals) just kill me. the avalon is not my type of tea but it looks like toyota really has a winner here.

    GM had some dismal sales numbers last month - and this with the G6, LaCrosse and Cobalt coming onto the market. they're all high volume cars too.

    it looks like GM has its work cut out for them to just maintain the sales with these new models they had with the Grand AM, Century, Regal and Cavalier.

    i'm sure it's the consumer's fault for not knowing any better though.
  • verdi942verdi942 Posts: 304
    Both cars were in like-new condition. Not to bash Lexus here [and, gee, they don't need mine or anyone else's boosting], but I was shocked! shocked! at the driveability of the car - it was on a par with a nondescript Pontiac rental with 40K miles I'd recently driven. Now, if Buick could build on the impeccable driveability of their cars [something they seem to take great pains over, no doubt to please 'geezers' like me] and deliver genuine Lexus-level quality and content [for a little less $$$?], they'd have a world-beating company. I believe it can be done, but it'll take time, $$$, and brilliant management.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I am a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Yours is just very striking because it represents a complete opposite to the Consumer Reports, JD Power owner satisfaction surveys, as well as every auto publication I can think of. The experts criticize the ES for its non-sporting nature, but most still rate it very highly. I drove an ES330 last year, and if I had the chance to do my daily 80 mile RT commute in that car, I'd be thrilled. Its not perfect, but it is an excellent machine. If its not a car for you, thats absolutely fine, but to call it on-par with a 40,000 mile rental Pontiac... is bizarre and unbelievable. Think about this way- if the car was as unimpressive as you state, why would it have one of the best resale values in its class? Were it so undesirable, nobody'd be buying it.

  • I read the the CXS does 0-60 in 7.1 seconds, is this true.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Posts: 391
    My wife and I did 24 hour test drives in a new ES330, RX330, and LaCrosse. A silver LaCrosse is now in our garage. Both the ES330 and the RX330 have five spped transmissions that love to upshift, but hate to downshift. I could minimize the problem by shifting to "3" or "4" for city driving, but why should I have to?
    The April 2004 Consumer Reports said the the 2004 Regal was the most reliable family sedan in the world. Why GM Marketing did not jump all over this is beyond me. The LaCrosse is built in the same plant in Canada where the Regal was built, and I expect excellent reliability. The GM 3800 engine has had none of the sludge problems that the Lexus/Toyota engines have had. I recommend that people drive both the ES330 and the LaCrosse, and make their own decision.
    I have not driven the new Avalon, so I do not know if the transmission is any better.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    GM marketing did not jump on this, as you put it, because GM is well aware of Consumer Reports' noncommercialization policy. Trumpeting a CR rating is an excellent route to being sued....and, they knew the Regal was going away in any event...
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    perhaps GM marketing didn't jump all over the reliability score because the regal also scored near the bottom for its class in the road test.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Avalon starts at C$40,000. The Allure starts at C$25,300 and the CXS starts at C$33500.

    These cars are NOT in the same class in term of price or size. Why my post amuses you so is unknown.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,710
    Avalon starts at $27 and goes to $34 list price.

    I saw one today in our neighborhood. Looks like an Altima on steroids. Shows Camry heritage.

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  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,676
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  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Twenty Seven to Thirty Four Dollars? I'd consider as much as Fifty! :)
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    He was talking Canuck bucks. Avalon is not a cheap car that's for sure, yesh!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,710
    Obviously that's
    twenty-seven to thirty-four thousand dollars. Can't get buy with anything here. Just like home!

    Note the hyphens for all my critics, grin...

    Isn't that about the price range for the LaCrosse? Lucerne?

    Has anyone compared the room inside with Camry? It looked like only the hiproom was improved. That would come from the bloated, whale-like door shape.

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  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    If GM is desirous about moving the LaCrosse/Allure they better get serious about putting a first rate audio system in the car. The Concert Sound III system is a bad joke with its tinny paper cone Delphi speakers and terrible radio reception. Absolutely terrible! The worst audio system I have ever heard in any car. Who wants to buy a new car only to have to take it to an aftermarket mobile stereo dealer to completely re-do the sound system at considerable additional cost when an excellent system should already come standard with the car or at least be a factory option?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    If they DO redo the audio system, they will lose several functions that are controlled by the radio, including climate control, if it is like other recent GM models....
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