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Buick LaCrosse

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  • Caddy does have the XLR, SRX, the more potent CTS, ...

    Buick has a version of the Trailblazer, Envoy, Bravada, Saab...

    See a pattern? Do you think that maybe "badge engineering" has finally run its course and GM can turn around Buick by giving unique products?

    Guess we will have for the LaCrosse numbers to find out (why oh why are they wasting dough on the Terraza? -- that should be moeny spent to get the four-seater to market faster...)

    :(
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I think that badge engineering has its limits. You can't make the exact same car with different grilles under six brands.
  • i love our buick. it's great.
  • To clear up a few things:

    - There will be a 2005 Century, but it is a short run. By the end of calendar year 2004, the Century will be out of production.

    - The reason for Buick's recent sales decline is that GM shifted their fleet incentives to the Chevy Impala. Notice the huge increase in Impala sales that roughly corresponds to the decrease in Century and Regal sales.

    -Andrew L
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    At this point the wbodies are way off from where they used to be.
    I think around '99 or '00 they were selling at a rate of 660,000 a year.
    Remember the Intrigue topped out at around 90,000 in sales.
    Century was over 170,000.
    Regal was in the 60,000 range.
    Grand Prix was well over 120,000.
    (I am doing this from memory)

    Impala's sales of 267,000 can't make up the fact that the Intrigue is gone and the century and regal aren't selling at all.

    GM needs to get the Lacrosse in production right now.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    Keep in mind Buick siginificantly scaled back fleet sales of the Regury, and that gives you an idea of just how many sales went to Enterprise. The LaCrosse won't sell as much as the Regury did, but that's because it's more expensive with little to no fleet sales. Also, it will be higher-profit.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    Is there anywhere I can read that the 3.5 Duratec will be out next year? I have not seen that anywhere. I read somewhere the Ford just agreed to add more power after journalists and the public reacted to the 500's lack of power. If that decision was just made after the auto shows, I have a hard time believing the engine will be ready next year. We already know the 3.9L OHV is a definite product and it will be here late this year.
  • 3.9L is slated for spring of '05, so I doubt you'll see it in '05 models. Figure fall of '05, that's a year and a half away folks! Late, like everything else from GM.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    The 3900 starts production this November, or somewhere thereabouts. It will hit dealerships in spring 2005. But I agree it is still too late.
  • when is the lacrosse scheduled to hit the showrooms?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    bigmike5-

    I believe in September. I'm anxious to test drive one.

    fastdriver
  • who's bigmike5? are you talkin' to me? (robert deniro has nothin' on me!)

    September is not far off. good, cuz i like the lacrosse, especially the chrome detailing around the windows. looks sharp to my eyes.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    6thbeatle-

    LOL... sorry. I thought I cut and pasted YOUR name! I wasn't paying attention.

    Robert DeNiro... I mean fastdriver ;-))
  • I think this vehicle will not attract the Main Yuppy market- the folks who buy Lexus ES mainly because it lacks a DVD navigation.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    Most young yuppies wouldnt consider a Buick anyway. This car will appeal to those considering an American brand or maybe a Camry. It will take years for Buick to attract potential Lexuse buyers. It may seem far fetched now, but I believe it is possible.

    The 3900 will be available n the 2005 G6, not the 2006. It will probably be out early next year. When GM says "spring of 200x" that usually means February or March. The bottome line is the 3900 is a confirmed engine in a real product, not just speculation like these 250hp Ford engines.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    is a gradual effort of cars that outperform, have more features and underprice the competition along with a sales-force that treats you like you're the only person in the showroom or shop floor.
  • setzersetzer Posts: 127
    the LaCrosse looks pretty good. Buick's sedan line-up is finally starting to change! Does anyone know if the same treatment will be done on the LeSabre and the Park Avenue? If Buick really wants to become a major player, the LaCrosse LOOKS like a good move. If there would be new LeSabres and Park Avenues, Buick may actually put itself back on the map. With Oldsmobile gone, Buick has another gap to fill.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    New LeSabre for 06. Will stay FWD on current platform. The Park Ave is dead after 05, to be replaced by a RWD Zeta model smaller than the current version in the 07-08 timeframe.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Will there be a model that slots under the LaCrosse for the IS300 crowd?
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    No, the LaCrosse starts at $24,000 anyway. The next version of the LaCrosse will supposedly be on a shortened version of the RWD Zeta platform, so it will take care of that "crowd" anyway.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Actually the CX is compared to the XLE which has closer content.

    I will say that Camry has added more standard content from a couple years ago. I do not have the price/content comparison anymore but here is what I found today.

    LaCrosse CX $22,835 Camry XLE 4 $22545

    I did a standard content study of the two.

    LaCrosse on positive side-V6, 200 hp, 225 tires, floor mats, OnStar, leather interior(about $1100 worth of content not including the engine)

    Camry-4, 160 hp, 5 spd, 215 tires, stg audio controls, UGDO, electrochromic ISRVM, ABS, 6CD, dual auto HVAC (about $1000 worth of content not including powertrain)

    So Camry has about $100 less content than LaCrosse ( I am sure I missed a few items either way). So Camry is priced about $200 less than a LaCrosse (22835-22545-100).

    But then you have to price the V6 with 40 more hp. against a 5 spd vs. 4 spd. The V6 is priced at about $1500 on the Camry and Accord. Lets give half that to the Lacrosse for the old 3.8 and take away another $150 for the 4spd. ($750-150=600)

    So the LaCrosse is about $500 (600-100) less than the Camry w/o incentives taken into account.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    there won't be a Buick model that's priced as low as the $20,000 Century.
  • just curious, will there be a next generation Bonneville? Current one is on the same platform as the P.A. I think.
  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    I think GM's plan is, with the G6 moving up in size/market, to replace the Bonnie and the Grand Prix with a RWD V8-powered sedan (on the Sigma-Lite/VE/Zeta/whatever-we're-calling-it-this-week platform). Chevy's supposed to get one of these to replace the Impala, and Buick's supposed to get one as well (not sure if it'll replace the Park Ave or the LaCrosse)...

    I believe the Bonnie, Park Ave, LeSabre, and Deville/DTS are all going to be made in the Detroit/Hamtramck plant (Lake Orion, which used to build the Aurora/Riviera/Bonneville/Park Ave/LeSabre, is being redone for the G6). Hamtramck's been a good plant for GM (better than Lake Orion), I don't see them closing it, but it probably needs more product.

    --Robert
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    The impala will be redesigned next year so it wont be replaced by a RWD car anytime soon. If chevy is to get a RWD sedan it probably would have another name. The bonneville is likely to be replaced by a crossover off the Lamda platform in 2006. The Park Ave may get the Northstar before it's model run ends.
  • bigdaddycoatsbigdaddycoats Posts: 1,058
    The April issues of Motor Trend and Car and Driver both have a two page ad for the Lacrosse. The ad is very nicely done and highlights some of the features. To me it does seem a little early to start running print ads. the car will not be available for at least another six months. I can't remember any other GM car getting such early advertising? The more I see this car the better it looks, especially in different (not red) colors.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    It is awfully hard to understand why they would start advertising the car this far before the start of production. It looks like a nice enough car, but I don't think a lot of people will be rushing to their dealer to place their deposits.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    bigdaddycoats-

    It MIGHT be a little early, but it's better than what Chrysler is doing with their "flagship" Chrysler 300C HEMI that NO ONE has seen advertised anywhere and know nothing about it and it's coming out next month!

    At least by September people will KNOW the name LACROSSE and know that it's a new Buick. I think it's a smart idea that they start now.

    fastdriver
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    a few months back I saw an ad for the Terraza and Rendezvous Ultra.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    I saw the MT ad and it was informative. Buick's sales are struggling right now so they want to get the message out early so the Buick faithful wont jump ship. Lincoln started advertising for the LS many months before it debuted.
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