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It's been a while b/c after I got my replacement Verona through the Lemon Law (it does work - the lemon law that is) and after the new Verona got its new ECM, I haven't had any engine problems. BUT it seems everytime I have my tires rotated, my hub cabs fall off shortly afterwards. The first time, it fell off I had to go back to the dealer and get a new one. Today, I had my tires rotated again and then went to get my car washed. Well, an older gentleman came up to me and said, your hub cap fell off but the workers put it back on.
Now either these Suzuki tech are incompetent when it comes to rotations or this is another Suzuki Verona issue. Anybody experienced this when having their tires rotated?
PS - If you are gonna get a Verona, get alloy wheels!
I'm in the hubcap business and I see this all the time with Daewoo caps (the Verona is really a Daewoo Leganza, as you probably know). The problem is that the caps are made of nylon, which is a very flexible plastic. If you are not careful when installing the caps, the clips bend over and the cap will fly off. You should remove the caps yourself before taking the car for service and reinstall them carefully afterwards. They will fit fine if they are installed properly. If you still have problems, strap them on with zip ties -- that's a brute force solution but it has a 99.9% success rate :-)
-Andrew L
These are zip ties. The one in that pic happens to be green, but you can get plain grayish ones too. You can buy a whole bag of them at the Home Depot for about $5.00. They are "one way" tie-downs...you can pull the small end of the tie through the square thing on the other end in one direction, and you can't pull it back the other way. You can use them to strap your wheel covers to the underlying steel wheel by threading them through the holes in the wheel. The drawback is that you can see them, so they are not the most aesthetically pleasing solution. And you have to remember to replace them every time the hubcaps are removed. A big bag of them will last you a long time. I usually recommend this solution as a last resort to people who just keep losing wheel covers. In most cases, if you install them properly to begin with, you will not have a problem.
-Andrew L
I regularly read the motoring supplements in a national daily newspaper and again have never seen any Suzuki advertising. Nothing on TV either. Why bother to make the car if no effort is made to sell it?
Beats me!
I started to think they would pull the plug too, but then it occurred to me that it would be a big mistake for Suzuki. The way I see it, Suzuki would be admitting defeat. Not to mention it would be distancing itself from the new Verona owners it acquired and cause these new buyers to have little faith in the company. Suzuki plans to roll out all these new vehicles in the next 5 years, and the slot for the Verona needs to be filled by something. Also, if Hyundai and Kia just gave up on their products because of poor sales and criticism, they would have been long gone. If GM/Suzuki is smart like the Korean companies have been, they will listen to the feedback and make the needed changes FAST. All the "talking heads" in the automotive industry would just be saying that Suzuki tried and failed in the family car segment.
I just got a Verona EX 2004 So far I had it for 2 weeks and Yes i notice shaking between 50 and 60 mph. I didn't know what to do. You caught my interest when I read your post. What to do about this?
I've had a few cars, and this is one of the better ones. Yes it isn't "perfect", but what car really is? I have over 3000 miles on it now, and it hasn't skipped a beat, through wind, rain, snow, sleet, ice, and every other kind of slop. Nothing has bent, warped, twisted, snapped off, or fallen off, and it doesn't look like it will. This is a TREMENDOUS accomplishment for a first-year model. I do enjoy the neat little features, especially the steering wheel audio controls. I also love the seat heaters. The main thing to concentrate on, though, is that this car stops, goes, and steers exactly like you would expect it to. The wheel, seat, and pedals are the right distance from each other. If you think that's a given, sit in a new Corolla (had one.) The Verona cockpit is elegant, classy, and user-friendly. If you think that's a given, sit in any Pontiac and look at the dash. What were they thinking? Yes, we could have bought Honda Accords, but not with seat heaters for 16k. Try cloth seats and a 4 cylinder for 20k. The Camry has a nice powertrain, but the interior is so relentlessly appliancelike in it's blandness, and again, no bargain.
The other nice thing about the Suzuki is that it is easier to spot in the parking lot.
Tell me about some of the neat little extra features you like. Maybe I have overlooked some. I'd love to learn something new.
By the way, I also got the sapphire gray metallic. I call it light blue.
Happy driving! Kim
What kind of fuel economy are you getting? Has the transmission adjusted or is it something you just got accustomed to? Thanks for your input.
Press gently on the driver or passenger headrest towards the windshield; it will adjust forward in three click-stop positions before the last one releases it back to the first. Nice touch. Also how about that rear-storage armrest with dual cupholders? And the height adjustment for the seat belt shoulder harness? I particularly like the electro-luminenscent lighting for the instrument panel. Overall, I find that the interior is on-par with some of the finest autos out there. True, not perfect, but a LOT of features for the money; i.e. a high value product.
Yes, this seems to be "standard operating procedures" to put used cars and SUV's in the "front line". I saw this at TWO So. Cal dealerships. Well, I guess we can surmise one thing, that they are not selling-or they would be in the "front line" as well. These cars (Veronas) have been a disaster for Suzuki. It's really a shame too because they are are good value and a great looking car. And I don't car what they cost-and what you get for your money. Who wants to buy a new car at any price, and have transmission and computer issues, and dealers who either don't know or are not getting full factory support to make them right. C'mon Suzuki-were are cheering for you!!!
-Andrew L
Other than that no major problems. Zuki is announcing a recall....for 37000 2004 Veronas. They have a defective brake light switch that may drain your battery in 3 hours. You should get a notice..I guess. The 2005 Verona has shown a 19% drop in sales as compared to last Jan. Zuki has however increased overall sales with the Forenza doing well. There is silence as far as the Verona Ad is concerned..Are they overhauling the Car?..New Engine/trans?. I dont like the adaptive trans. if it uses fuzzy and gets confused.
Your comments members????
I guess if you have an "S" model you probably paid about $15,000.00 give or take. You have had WAY TOO MANY PROBELMS for spending that kind of money. I believe that the best kind of warranty is....one that you do not have to use! It's inconvenient to have one's car fixed no matter who is paying for it!
I just did a quick search on information from GMDAT and here is what has been released in the Korean Herald:
"The Magnus, GM Daewoo's midsize sedan, will have a successor around the end of this year. The car, code-named V-250, will be reborn with a bolder, more prestigious image."
As most people know, the Verona is basically a rebadged Daewoo Magnus. If this car is going to be replaced then I'll bet the Verona will be as well. So right now Suzuki is just laying low and waiting for the new vehicle to be produced. No sense throwing good money after bad as far as Suzuki is concerned. The Forenza is a hit and the Verona is a miss.
You should check with your states attorney generals web site for the specifics of the lemon laws in your state. Most times all that is required is to provide them with a certified letter (the information on where to send it is in the back of the owners manual), and wait for the response. Since you are going to arbitration, simply ask them for the refund in writing and have copies of the documentation to give them. also will help to have copies of the information from your states lemon law.
Hiring an attorney is premature at this point in most states. In most states unless and until the automaker does not comply with the lemon law buyback request (assuming the car definitely falls under your states lemon law), you cannot recover attorney fees from them until that time.
1) So when the Verona was thought out and designed by Daewoo, it was suppossed to have an different transmission. The same company who made the tranny for the Leganza I think.
2) The motor was designed for the Verona by a guy who used to work at either Porsche or Mercedes. And it widely known that it could put out much more horsepower that what the ECM allows. So, if the cars tranny and motor controls (ECM) were not changed (by GM), would it have been every bit as reliable as the old Leganza? It certainly leads one to think. Because all of the issues have been around the ECM and the transmissions.
Low RPM's deliver plenty of power. This is something six cylinders can do better than 4. Power comes from burning fuel. It takes fewer RPM's to burn the same amount of fuel with a 6 then it does with a 4. But the engine is probably better compare to a 4 banger otherwise, but hey so does the price.
I have had it for a little over 2 weeks. I drive it daily. I have found no fit and finish problems yet. Everything says quality. Everything works.
Both myself and a co-worker drive Suzuki Verona's. He has more miles on his than I do. So far so good. We are both very pleased and believe that it is one of the best buys out there.
I paid $15,000 for this car. It's an EX version. I don't know if I can get into a decent Corolla for that amount of money.
I am still waiting for fuel mileage figures. For mixed, primarily expressway (12 miles each way) I got 20 mpg on the first tank. The second tank did 23. With just a little more improvement, I will be quite satisfied. We will see. Also the tranney is still learning me. Mileage improves as mechanical parts break-in on a new automobile.
As best as I can tell, the last EFI update, which was in October, must have solved the stalling problem. I haven't experienced any of it, despite driving in a cool to cold environment. My co-worker reported that his problems disappeared after the new upgrade. I do not know why the upgrade is not working for others. My Verona is an early production model, Oct 03.
There is much speculation here about Verona's future, based on currect Suzuki promotional activities. Remember that automobile manufacturers work with a significant lead time. Marketing decisions visible now were developed long before the last EFI upgrade was installed in many cars and much before any field data could possible reveal it's effectiveness. The idea that Suzuki will replaced the Verona with a new model, next model year, based on problems encountered so far seems very unlikely. No auto manufacturer works with that short a lead time.
My guess is, that given the problems of the Verona as they stood at this time last year, Suzuki reduced 2005 production numbers. The lack of clearence sales at Suzuki dealers despite large inventories of 2004 models, tells me that Suzuki doesn't believe that it's sitting on a looser. They do not act like the value of their Veronas is in jeapardy.
I you have stumbled on this discussion group in your search for new car purchase, remember that there will always be a higher number of disatisfied customers than satisfied on discussion groups like this. I just hop the I won't be one of them soon. So far so good.
Tom
Here in KC
Shortly after my purchase, I did take the car in for some recall issue(so minor I don't even recall what it was-it certainly had no noticeable affect on the car.) Otherwise, I have only had it in the shop for oil changes. I have not had the EFI upgrade since I am not having any problems with stalling or rough idle on start up. On cold nights, we can get down into single digits in my part of the country but the Verona always starts easily and runs smoothly. In mixed driving during these winter months, I am getting 22-23mpg. The car is as tight as it was when new and everything works as it should. I am still amazed at how smooth and quiet it is. Having bought a variety of new cars over the last 40 years, the Verona has got to be one of the best overall experiences I have had.
My only complaint is this. I wish you could buy one painted bright red. My last car, a Passat GLX, was bright red and was very easy to find in a parking lot. It seems like the Koreans and Japanese save bright red paint for their sports cars. I wish they would change their minds and make red available on other models.
Otherwise, I suspect I will be happily driving my titanium silver Verona for many years, unless I can't find it at the mall some day. Then maybe I will have to look to buy something bright red.
The primary complaint against this car concerns stalling. Anyone who knows anything about an automobile knows that this is a relively simple software/hardware bug in the EFI. For some reason, the EFI is trying to run the engine too lean. This means too little fuel to air ratio. I guess you had to drive and maintain one of them old cars with a carburetor to understand. Peolpe who do not understand this, avoid the car like the plague allowing me to get a great automobile for a steal of a price.
I believe that I have explained why the factory may have reduced the 2005 production run, if in fact, they did.
For some reason I having problems with this logic that I shouldn't buy a car because others aren't buying it. You're like the person who doesn't buy stock during bear makets then goes wild during the bull runs and then wonders why they don't make money in the market. If you want a good buy, you have got to be ahead of the market.
As far as dealers are concerned, I have notice a lack of a fire sale mentality. They a sitting on a pile of new 2004 Verona's that are not geting any newer. You would think that they would want to sell these as rapidly as they could. But they don't advertise them at all. They must believe, or Suzuki must believe, that the problems are solved and drastic measures are not neded.
I get the distinct feeling from your post that you are upset with me for doing something that you would not do. Why would you tell me that I just took a big chance? Ain't going to do me any good to know this now. Are you scolding me? "Shame shame, you took a chance. You bought a car when the criteria that I use should have told any rational person that they shouldn't have purchased it."
Oh well! I will just go back to cruising comfortably in my new Verona with it's heated leather seats and automatic temperature control and feel this terrible guilt feeling knowing that others paid more for their cars because they let fear and not logic rule their lives. It's a tough life.
Tom
Still here in KC
If they are "sitting" on these cars and there are no-problems, why are they all sitting on the back of their lots? Why aren't they advertised. It seems to me if you want to sell something...anything for that matter you would want it right there in front for all to see, and advertise the heck out of out. Nope, I think Suzuki has a major porblem on their hands and have yet to figure out a solution. BTW, I do go back to the cars of "yesteryear" and those lousy carburetors....
So far, that's exactly the way that I feel. It's a great car. I think that the 6 cy engine is a great idea. I didn't want a 4 banger. They rev so high just to pull away from a stop light. I didn't like the V6. I am not a lead-footed driver weaving in and out of trafic. Also, I have heard the horror stories about changing plugs. This little in-line 6 is great.
I was and still am impressed by the overall positive consumer reviews that the Verona has received. It is only .5 point behind the Camry even considering all of the problems that new owners experienced. I really believe that his stalling problem is behing them. Like I said, it's not brain surgery to reprogram an EFI. Obviously this car hit the road before it was ready. My gut feeling is that this is GM's fault. That behemoth of an organization cannot do anything fast IMO.
I didn't realize that GM was involved in this car so heavily. Me and GM cars don't get along. Maybe there is little enough GM blood in it that this won't be a problem.
I have a problem with red cars. I cannot help but calling them "Hello Officer Red." So I got the burgandy colored Verona. I think that they call it pearl red. It's puuuuuuurdy.
Two questions. How long does it take for the transmission to fully learn the driver? I don't really have a complaint about the shifting, but it could be better. Also, have you had any experiences with multi-driver situations. Does this confuse the computer?
Tom
Here in KC
Tom
Nope, even though I think they are beautiful cars, that ECM issue would keep me from buying one. It's really something how we rationalize our purchases. One of the posters said something to the effect-"Well I really don't have any complaints about how the transmission shifts-but it could be better". I think what this statement really means is-"Well- I really don't like the shifting pattern (there goes that darn ECM again!) but I guess I will have to put up with it!" Oh well....