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If the Verona is targeted for a different demographic, then you would needed to project a different image. Think about it, you only can have one image.
As far as sales, where did you get your figures? I cannot find any recent sales figures on the internet. If 2005 sales are down, it's because they still have 2004's leftover. They overproduced the EX model. That's the only 2004 model that you see in this town. One dealer was advertising a 2004 Verona EX new for $14,500. Until those are gone, the 2005 models won't move. In fact, this might be the reason that Suzuki isn't pushing the Verona. They are just letting the dealers handle the 2004 sell-off.
The idea that Suzuki is going to abandon this car, because of start-up problems is just unfounded. They have way too much invested in it.
Tom
Also WIX is getting ready to introduce a filter for the Verona. Their WEB site lists a filter but notes that this has not been officially released yet.
All of these automotive insiders doing all of this for a car that Suzuki is going to discontinue. I don't buy it.
Tom
Sorry Tom, I dont get it. Can you explain?. If you see the current ad, they flash the names of all other Suzuki cars. I do understand that this ad is geared to the younger folk. From what you say another specific ad should appear for the Verona. Do you remember that the Verona was targetted against the Camry?. I know that its only a year. But to match the Camry's sales does'nt Zuki have to push the ad's?. Foe Sales info see the suzukiauto.com site for press releases. In Jan 2005 the Verona sold 19% less as compared to Jan 2004. For Feb 2004 it sold the same numbers as Jan-04. I think you can notice the impact of ad's.--see what the ad's for Cobalt have done?. Personally I liked last years Verons ad. This brings me to argue that even if 2004 models are to be pushed..you DO need to give ads. Maybe they want to do it through the dealer specials?. According to Suzuki, they plan to put a small SUV in 2005 and a big SUV soon ( Concept-X?). They also plan to put a new mid-size sedan in 2006!! I heard that they would use GM engine for that ( not verified). So it might be a Verona with an axed inline 6 and new V6? I dont know.... Also from autonews columns---GM will be marketing Chevy epica ( Verona) under the Chevy name and the Daewoo name will not be used. Web news also indicates that GM is setting up to manufacture the Verona in China. All these are web news and need to be confirmed. Does It seem GM will be playing a big role as far as development of Verona is concerned?..
About AC filters, the user manual recommends to change it after 7500 miles in severe drive conditions. My dealer knew nothing about it. Where is this located?. I dont know if you noticed, but on operating simple fan a foul smell does come up at times.
Thanks Peter, you have valueable info for the forum. Comments?
Comments?
I have noticed the smell, as though the in cabin filter is not filtering it out. I can really smell the exhaust of the cars in front of me, however if you change the fan to circulate only the air inside of the car, the smell does go away. My next step is to replace the cabin air filter, if i can find it, and see if the smell goes away. I have driven a couple of different cars from different makers that have that same problem. My wifes Nissan Altima does the same thing and the dealer says that it is natural that you be able to smell that. I say that is a bunch of b.s. Car still running great with the syn oil. Used to be really sluggish in the morning,Here in Chicago winters are a b****, after changing it, 30 seconds after the motor is running, the car is running like it is up at 200 degrees.
Thanks for the info, Maybe the AC Delco filter is not yet available here in Chicago, and Pep Boys Auto told me that WIX was coming out with one, but that was last October.
Peter(Freezing in Chicago)
Peter
Advance Auto Parts also lists a purolator filter with a model # of L 17662.
A Recap for eveyone. These are all oil filters
AC/Delco part # PF-57
STP Part # s-2903
Purolator part # L 17662
WIX Part # 57046
Air Filters-Only listing to be found so far:
Wix part # 42838
WIX Cabin Air Filter part # 24906.
Hope this helps everyone.
The PF57 is actually an old AC Delco filter number. It may take awhile for the parts people to stock it.
The Purolator filter is indeed available from Advance Auto but my local store does not stock it. The WEB site indicates that I must order it and pay shipping. Hopefully they will stock it soon.
At least you no longer need to hike to the dealer now.
Tom
bloom...you are right, the details regarding the cabin filter is indeed in the user manual page 3-20. I showed this to the dealer who agreed to look into the condition of the filter. It was dirty and needed replacement. This filter is only available with the dealer ($30.00 a piece- mighty expensive!!!). I could not find it online. Wix is introducing it but it is not available at their site.
Reg. Oil-- sythetic oil mobil1 : I read various articles that indicate the benefit of adding this oil. The heat reduction reduces wear and tear on the engine parts.
Spoilers: Factory based spoiler is available at suzukiautoparts.com and spoilersforless.com
suzukipitstop.com does give some parts and accessories.
Verona is doing great. Dealer changed the driver window motor and parts under warantee. Its 7900 miles and no new issues. I will be changing to mobil1 synthetic next oil change.
If you had a car with an already sport tuned suspension that had a stiff ride, then go for it.
Why waste the money? There are much better than the factory tires for the car and you can still go to a slightly wider tire. The caveat is you have to find someone who is an expert in realigning the front end to the wider tires (if going up more than one width size) or you can get some odd wear patterns.
so it's only a short time before I'll need to replace the tires. At that time I'll consider the wheels. I do know that I will not get the Hankook tires again. They seem to be pretty noisy. Another forum member said he got Michellins and they are quieter and ride better. Thanks for your input.
I will probably keep these tires until they wear out. I am just too cheap to throw-away perfectly good tires just for a little noise.
I thought that Hankook was not too smart in putting these tires on a car headed for America. They are trying to break into the American market. They aren't going to do it by making a bad name for themselves or at least a very noisy one.
So far, this is the biggest complaint that I have with my new Verona. So I guess that I can't really complain at all. So I guess you must disregard what I said or I will be complaining.
KCTom
-Overall the car has been very good. Thought I had a problem as the Check Engine Light came on stayed on for a long time. Seems I wasn't cranking the gas cap enough when I put it back on. Just a few clicks won't do it. Problems solved.
-I gave the Austin dealer $16,799 for a new 2004 LX w/spoiler. They gave me $4,000 for my 99 Mazda 626 in trade which was $1,000 more than the Mazda dealer offered.
-Some thing I don't care for: Chrome around shift lever reflect sun bad at times. Cup holders not big enough. Heater lights too bright and don't dim with other dash lights. Had to cover with darkening film. Small trunk space and no secure trunk.
-Things I like. Compartment air filter. No timing belt change to look forward to. Styling. A great pleasure to drive.
Good review.
While the Verona does offer one of the smaller trunks, it has, by far and away, one of the largest passenger volumes in its class (115.4 cu ft). I guess you can have one or the other.
I chose the Verona over some other models, because the trunk was not secure. I wanted rear seats that fold. If someone really wants to get into your trunk they probably will.
Tom F
My lawyer, who I did not have to pay, said I was on of the lucky ones. Lemon Law here in NC does not require us to pay the attorney. All fees are paid by the Manufacturer. So Suzuki paid the bill. Thankfully, Suzuki was quite cooperative but it was only after their techs experienced the problem first hand. They never took my word for anything. Also in my favor was the dealership. They let me have a loaner free of charge until the mess was straightened out. My laywere told me this is not required of the dealership. She said most folks are stuck with an undriveable car until the cases are settled. So I do not hold any grudges with the dealership because they tried to appease me in my time of need. So I would buy another car from this dealer but it won't be a Suzuki. Anyway, I got a even exchange so to speak because my 2nd Suzuki broke down too!
But to date...I have had any engine problems BUT my radio will turn up the volume by itself. So I have to have them look into it. By now, nothing surprises me with my car. I just go with the flow until I get in a position to purchase a Lincoln LS. Love those cars! But you can believe I will do my homework before I purchase any car!
To all the Verona owners without problems, I wish it had been me because from Jan - Aug of 2004, dealing with it was a nightmare. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
As far as the hubcaps, I am not buying anymore. I am just going to make sure those techs put them back on correctly when I get my next rotation. But thanks for letting me know.
That's a great lemon law in NC. Most state require that you be responsible for legal fees unless the auto manufacturer does not live up to the law.
So far so good with my new Verona. No problems at all.
Tom
in KC
Tom
I noticed that the radio in the Verona has an auto-loud function. It's mentioned on page 3-32 of my owners manual. I cannot find any other mention of it. I assume that the radio looks at ambient noise and adjusts the volume accordingly. That might be why your volume is changing. If it is, let us all know.
Tom
I do know that in most of Suzuki CD players, the song on the CD will start from the beginning after the car has been cut off. At least it did in my first Verona. The one I have now, the CD will pick up where it left off, which I prefer, but I knew this was not common. But now there are times when the CD will make a noise when I first turn it on so I have to eject the CD and put it back in.
Hopefully, this is just a radio problem and not a Verona problem. I am trying hard not to blame all the car problems on my car being a Verona as opposed to being normal troubles.
Shouldn't an '04 still be under factory warranty? Take it to a dealership and tell them where they can stick -- I mean, ask them nicely to swap out your radio :-)
-Andrew L
I found out about the air cabin filter. It needs to be replaced if you are getting a foul smell when you just operate the fan with the inlet air port open. I could not find this filter from any third party store. The dealer charges $30.00 for the same. Does anyone know if I can find the filter on the web?.
8000 miles and the Verona is doing well. No complaints.
Excellent suggestion!!. I will try it and maybe you can manage the issue without shelling too many $$$!.
Thanks cc!!
Argh I also have a bent rim apparently from hitting a pothole and the rim costs almost $500?! Wow. They said it's not bad enough to replace though, thank god.
I too have one of the CD players that will pick up at the beginning of the track when you start the car, this is very and I mean very annoying when listening to an audio book, especially if you only drive a few minutes (such as a quick stop on the way home from work).
Anyways, anyone have any suggestions I can give the dealership about the hesitation issues since it's not giving them any bad codes (besides them driving it)? I mean have any of you discovered from your dealer what was causing it? I thought of suggesting a problem with the fuel line or something.
My hesitation problems are worst around 45 to 65 ...if holding a steady speed of around 52mph, you can just feel the engine pulling from the hesitation, it feels like you are driving on bumpy road.
I LOVED my Verona until the ECM flash and now I am frustrated with it. Oh yea, I started having brake grabbing problems and they say it's normal when wet, but it doesn't happen just when it's wet. I am very frustrated with this dealership but hate to start all over at another one.
Thanks for letting me rant
I am sorry that you are undergoing these problems. I got my ECM replaced and things are running good. I want to let you know that the nature of the car is such that when you are at 40-45 mph and you kick the gas, there is a slight lag (like a turbo car) till the car kicks off to merge. Once in the 50-60 band the car just zooms with a slight push on the pedal. There is no hesitation at all, rather a slight lag as the computer responds to the increased gas input. At 60mph onwards, the car feels like silk and is really into the power band. Futher gas just zooms the car ahead. There seems to be some other problem. I suggest first ask the dealer to check the trans and the trans and oxygen sensor. Of course these should have come up in the OBD 2 scan. Secondly, ask for a new Verona for a long test ride with the service manager. Drive the car as you do in your car.Then drive your car with the service manager. See if they can spot the trouble. Then if they accept the trouble, don't sign the diagnosis paper without putting your remarks that the problem was not resolved. Request the regional suzuki tech engineer/manager to look into the problem- write it down on the receipt and write a separate letter to Suzuki, mentioning the trouble. This is my suggestion. Please let me know if you like it. Have you tried to add the fuel injection/carburettor cleaner?. This worked wonders for me. Use a good brand like STP. Also try to use premium fuel and see if it makes a difference. As regards the brake, my rotors were out of round and the dealer replaced them under warantee about 6 months back. Ask the dealer to check the brake system. During wet days the brake does seems more sensitive, but does operate and function. Maybe you can try another dealer if this one can't resolve the issues.
Good luck and let us know if this helps.
Anyway, I got my notice the other day but have not taken my Verona in. Just wondered, who else got one...and if anyone has experience the problem described in the notice.
My Vin no. is not on recall. My dealer informed me only certain cars with vin no. have the brake light recall.
They found nothing wrong with my brakes, though I am sure them grabbing they way they are isn't normal. Fortunately I have lots of time left on my warranty.
I am going to try a fuel additive, but not sure that's the problem. Thanks for your suggestions. I have also already been in touch with the region/district manager but not since taking it in again this past weekend.
HTTP://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/
roshell :P
the recall only takes about 15 minutes to complete-
roshell