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In other world markets where the new legacy is already on sale there was a minimal price increase, why would Subaru shoot themselves in the foot by pricing themselves out of the market here?
Cheers Pat.
~alpha
Ken
I also bet we'll get the Legacy H-6 w/6-speed for '06. Reportedly that car will go on sale in Europe, Oz & NZ in the fall. I bet we'll be next.
Bottom line: I think for MY06 SOA will flush out the Legacy & Outback with all the MIA items we had hoped for for MY05.
Bob
I could tell you the source of this info however either way it doesn't matter.. you can believe it or not.. I don't know if I believe it or not.. I do know that the Navigation system won't be offered.
high quality interiors are standard
I noticed this right away. Thicker carpets. Padded headliner, fabric even on the A-pillar like BMW and Mercedes. No loose edges on carpets, all tucked away. Power seats with nicer fabrics and better comfort plus 4 level heat.
You may not need or even want this, I have a feeling some will say the interior is "too nice" for the wear and tear of a family or muddy mountain bikes. But that's what they mean by that.
Accord only comes as a sedan. I think 93% of all Outbacks are sold as wagons. With Legacy it might be less, but still, the great majority of Subies are not sedans.
Accord also only comes with FWD. Zero Subarus with FWD now.
Plus, keep in mind you pay more for wagons, about $1000 more. $2000 more than that for AWD. Add that to an Accord and you see the value of a Subie. In fact the Accord might get SH-AWD but that would definitely make it cost more.
-juice
Have you seen/felt the fabrics in person? Or has anyone? I'm curious if they're like the WRX interior fabrics (shiny/smooth)? Or the STi (suede-like)? Or more like the old Legacy fabric (bland cloth)?
Thanks,
Luke
but still very nice.
Bob
They could stop building sedans and people would barely notice!
Mazda6 and Passat wagon are the only competitors I can think of close enough to be cross-shopped, and only VW offers AWD. Plus VW sales have plunged lately, while Subaru is growing.
Yes I've sat in a few 2005 Legacys, and I own a 2002 so I feel qualified to say there is a noticeable move upmarket in terms of fit and finish and materials. It matches the Passat now, with a more interesting dash design. I'm impressed.
-juice
Still, since Subaru sells an Outback up there, it might be valid competition. But you have to throw in the Taurus/Sable twins (unfortunate, but true), and the Mazda6 wagon too. Wait...Dodge Magnum. With optional AWD, though I don't know where it's going to price. Hmm, hey Edmunds, I smell a comparison test coming!
Cheers Pat.
Audi A4 3.0 Avant
Audi A6 3.0 Avant
BMW 325Xi Wagon
BMW 535i Wagon
Mazda 6 Wagon
Saab 9-5 Aero Wagon
Volvo V70 T5 Wagon
Volvo V70R Wagon
Acura TL Sedan
Infiniti G35/x Sedan
Saab 9-3 Aero Sedan
Cadillac CTS
BMW 330i/Xi Sedan
Volvo S60/R Sedan
Since the May issues are already out, I'd guess June.
Ken
2005 Legacy Base MSRP:
5-speed manual:
2.5i Sedan: $20,995
2.5i Wagon: $21,995
2.5i Sedan: $24,445
2.5i Wagon: $25,645
2.5GT Sedan: $25,995
2.5GT Wagon: $26,995
2.5GT Ltd. Sedan: $28,495
2.5GT Ltd. Wagon: $29,695
4-speed auto:
2.5i Sedan: $21,995
2.5i Wagon: $22,995
2.5i Ltd. Sedan: $25,445
2.5i Ltd. Wagon: $26,645
5-speed auto:
2.5GT Sedan: $27,195
2.5GT Wagon: $28,195
2.5GT Ltd. Sedan: $29,695
2.5GT Ltd. Wagon: $30,895
2005 Outback Base MSRP:
5-speed manual:
2.5i Wagon: $23,995
2.5i Ltd Wagon: $26,995
2.5XT Wagon: $27,995
2.5XT Ltd. Wagon: $30,695
4-speed auto:
2.5i Wagon: $24,995
2.5i Ltd. Wagon: $27,995
5-speed auto:
2.5XT Wagon: $29,195
2.5XT Ltd Wagon: $31,895
3.0R Sedan: $30,995
3.0R LL Bean: $32,195
3.0R VDC: $33,395
Not bad.
Dodge Magnum with a Hemi starts at just under $30k. But I bet the Legacy XT is quicker. Plus Magnum's AWD will cost another $2000 probably.
Character will be 100% different, though.
-juice
From what I can see so far, the Subie prices seem to be in line with the competition.
Bob
I guess we want something for nothing, i.e. better cars at the same prices.
-juice
Patti
Mark
Unless you wait for the reviews and they all say it's the best thing ever, I think you'll easily get a fair deal. Even then, there doesn't seem to be as much hype/anticipation as there was for the WRX.
I'd say if you want a turbo with MT, you may want to order sooner. Otherwise there should be lots of cars to look at at the end of May.
thanks patti for the heads up for details next week.
silly me....
The only problem I have with the Legacy, if the above spec sheet is correct, is 1) pass through only and no folding seat on Sedan and 2) I really wish there was an options package that offered power drivers seat, moonroof, and a few other niceties for the basic 2.5i. Theres a big price jump from the 2.5i to the 2.5Limited, AND I hate leather anyway.
~alpha
I second the thank you for that link.
Mark
thanks again
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicle-safety/ancap/latest.html
Another great Subaru site is the subenet site at http://www.subaru.net
Wheelbase: 105.1 (was 104.3 for 00-04 model)
Overall Length 188.7 (was 187.4 for 00-04 model)
Width: 68.1
Height: 58.1
Headroom front/rear: 40.5/39.1
Headroom front/rear w/ sunroof: 38.7/37.1
Legroom front/rear: 44.1/33.9
EPA Interior volume 97.4cf
EPA Cargo volume 34.3cf
Track: front/rear 58.9/58.7
SEDAN
Wheelbase: 105.1
Overall Length 18.2
Width: 68.1
Height: 56.1
Headroom front/rear: 39.5/36.5
Headroom front/rear w/ sunroof: 37.5/36.5
Legroom front/rear: 44.1/33.9
EPA Interior volume 93.1cf
EPA Cargo volume 11.4cf
Track: front/rear 58.9/58.7
By the way... you're welcome guys ;-)
Here's the full chart I forgot to post....
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/legacy/legacy2005.html#colors
The problem that I see for Subaru is that they have caught up to the likes of VW, but the consumer will pay a pretty penny for that privilege. The Passat is also set to be re-designed in the next year or so, so it may surge ahead again, especially if VW makes it significantly bigger than an Outback.
Bill
Mark
I don't really care about saving the last couple of hundred $ if it takes a lot of time and effort. This seems like a reasonable deal to me. And a good one if allocations get tight.
What is the wisdom of the group?
Do you think I could do appreciably better?
thanks
John
May 1, wow that's real soon.
JP
Has anyone tried this shifter (in any other Subaru that has the updated 5-spd manual, like the STI or Forester XT)? Recommended?
In my area, several dealers are advertising very aggressive pricing on the 04 Outback 6 cyl models - one has $5500 off MSRP and another has $5800 off MSRP. This puts an H6 SE Outback at $22000 - $22300, which is very tempting to me.
It doesn't seem to me that there is anything in the 05 lineup that offers a bit more power at a price comparable to the H6 SE. Sure, I'd love the XT, but at $29770 MSRP, I think that it will be at least $3000 more than the current H6 SE prices even at the end ot the 05 model year.
So do I grab one of these 04 H6 SE's or is it worth waiting for the prices on the 05s to come down - in which case I'll probably be going for the Outback 2.5i, because the XT is more than I'll want to spend. Thoughts?
Price aside, one would think that the 6 will appeal to a different driver than the turbo: one will be somewhat more refined, the other more visceral. It is nice to have a choice.
We placed a refundable deposit on a 2005 VDC; I am anxious to test drive it; most likely in early June.
As regards "value": there is no substitute for the 2004 pricing. If the '04 satisfies you, it is an excellent choice.
VW Passat AWD
Ford "Futura" AWD
Chrysler 300 AWD (with HEMI no less)
BMW 325xi
Mercedes C,E,S 4matic
Infiniti G35x
Jag X Type
Toyota Matrix AWD
Acura RL SH-AWD
and now....
http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=2825&cat- egoryId=10
Acura TL SH-AWD...
All your bases are covered from $20K to $50K...It is going to be fun to compare these cars in performance, price, capability, technology, value, and fun. I guess until Acura TL comes around as does the new Passat, SOA has a little time to build its business.
mark
As far as demo's go, the dealers around here seem to sell them for more than the best prices they advertise on the new cars - I think that they can fool people into thinking they are getting a deal because it is a demo. Anyone seen any H6 demos at less than $22000 this year or last?
The 05 has been on sale in Australia for a while now, both of them traded previous generation H6 Subies for the new models and both said the new one is head and shoulders better than than the 04.
Also they said the price increase was minimal for the improvements that were made.This info may confuse your decision even more, unfortunately they post very infrequently.
Cheers Pat.