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Mazda MX-Flexa / Mazda5

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  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    It seems that everyone who says that the Mazda5 is a great car indicates that it's great for anyone with only a couple of kids. It seems to me that if you only need something to hold 4-5 people including kids, then there are a host of other small station wagons to choose from that are cheaper. If the Mazda5 is the second car to a family with a minivan, why get another mini-minivan and not just a small sedan or wagon, since when you do have to carry 6 people you'll use the regular minivan anyway.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Don't forget the friends of kids and grandparents. That's the main reason I have an interest in the Mazda5. I have a family of five, so 90+% of the time a 5-seater is fine. But when we go somewhere with my mother or take a friend with us, we have to take two cars. That sixth seat could come in real handy, and without the penalty of having to buy a larger vehicle like a minivan.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    "Don't forget the friends of kids and grandparents. That's the main reason I have an interest in the Mazda5. I have a family of five, so 90+% of the time a 5-seater is fine. But when we go somewhere with my mother or take a friend with us, we have to take two cars. That sixth seat could come in real handy, and without the penalty of having to buy a larger vehicle like a minivan."

    That makes sense if your second vehicle is not already a minivan. I'm directing this question for those who already have a minivan and are buying the Mazda5 as their second car.
  • I've heard several people mention being reluctant to purchase the 5 being as it's a first year vehicle. Hasn't it been in production for awhile now? I believe it's a popular vehicle in Europe and Japan so why would it still be considered a first year vehicle? Wouldn't all the glitches be worked out of it by now?
  • mazda6smazda6s Posts: 1,901
    No problem, but at least two of them need to be pretty short. :)
  • dbond1dbond1 Posts: 3
    The Mazda 5 works better for young kids than a small station wagon because of the layout of the seats. It is difficult to fit carseats and/or boosters 3 across the back seat of conventional vehicles. Even with only 2 carseats, basically you are left with a 4 seater, because no adult wants to sit squeezed between two carseats in the back.

    With the M5, on the other hand, you can fit 2 carseats in the third row, one in the second, and still have plenty of room for 3 adults.

    The reason we have a minivan and a microvan is for maximum flexibility when playing the school/daycare/camp/playdate/sports team pick up and drop off game.
  • mrgarymrgary Posts: 33
    Well I just filled up my Mazda5. I got 27.5 MPG. I don't drive in the city just a small town and country roads. But have been using the Ac alot as temps have been in the 90's and very humid. I have not had any warm air blowing but it is not really cold air. Also of note is that we don't have any kids under 21 but we have 5 dogs. I had it on the high way today and was doing 80 way to easy. The engine sound is not bad even at that speed. I kinda wish it wasn't so much fun to drive. :D
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,436
    4,000 rpm @ 80 mph seems to be about the same as my Integra, which is quite high. The speed limit where I live is 75 (so 80 on the highway is the norm) and we take lots of long trips for the kids sporting events, so 4,000 rpm for 4-5 hours straight can be tiring, not to mention the extra gas it uses and the extra stress on the engine. I am still hoping for a 6-speed (same first 5 gears plus a taller overdrive).

    Also the option for three seats in the middle would be nice.

    Maybe these things will be considered for the refreshening.
  • kaiankaian Posts: 36
    I just purchased my Mazda5 in the bay area too. :) I'm a 5-speed Phantom Blue in the south bay, hope to see you around sometime! My two boys love it, and with my third child about to arrive in a few weeks I'm glad I got what I wanted now. :)
  • coastercoaster Posts: 46
    Thank you for your post. Your comment about the a/c is very similar to the many posts on "Mazda 3 problems and solutions" . I pulled up all the posts on a/c and there were about 200 of them, both for the 04 and 05 models. Many of them stated that the a/c got cool but never really cold. In Arizona this is a big red flag. I'll be retesting the car in two weeks before I make my decision on purchasing and I will test drive it both in traffic and on the highway with an eye towards how well the "automatic climate control" functions. You would think that with the numerous complaints, many of which required a special Mazda service representative to visit the dealer, that the new model would have really good a/c.
    This is such a great car otherwise but in this hot climate it is my number one conern.
  • rlawrencerlawrence Posts: 92
    "It seems that everyone who says that the Mazda5 is a great car indicates that it's great for anyone with only a couple of kids. It seems to me that if you only need something to hold 4-5 people including kids, then there are a host of other small station wagons to choose from that are cheaper."

    I understand what you are saying regarding folks who already have a minivan and that criticism does make some sense, however, I challenge you to find a sporty station wagon with the same features as the M5 that is considerably less expensive. Right now, I cannot think of one.
  • rlawrencerlawrence Posts: 92
    I have noticed that most, if not all of the posters who have purchased an M5 have gone with the manual over the automatic. Do you think Mazda/Mazda dealers have underestimated the number of buyers who will want a 5-speed or are we as proponents of manual transmissions just more enthusiastic about them.

    Also, is the dearth of cars sold in the North America with manual transmissions in general really a result of customer's distaste for them or is it that automatics have been pushed on us (not to mention the additional profit they bring)?
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    You make an excellent point. There are few wagons as sporty as the 5, and none cheaper. The closest sporty wagon was the Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback Ralliart but they don't make them anymore and even when they did, they stickered for $19800. That was without 17" alloys and head curtain airbags. No 5 speed was offered either. The 5 is an excellent value.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    No owners responded to my question earlier so I figured it may have got lost in the discussion about the MPV. Does the dome light turn on when the key is pulled out of the ignition?
  • lamjplamjp Posts: 18
    :) Relax, bwaters.
    My family bought and still own the first year model of a new Mazda Protege 1990 with GT trim level.
    It still starts every time and takes my family members home safely every trip over the last 15 years and still counting, under Canadian harsh weather
    The car is almost maintenance free if not for for the gas, occasional oil change.
    Except for the usual one set of new replacement spark plugs and cables, worn out 2 sets of snow tires, 2 batteries, muffler replacement (with life-time warranty), and brake pad and rotor replacement, almost every component that came factory installed with the Protege 1990 GT remains intact and operational as of today.
    By the way, our Madza Protege 1990 GT is built in the same location that is building the Mazda5. So most of the same assembly and engineering crew may still be working in the same plant ?!
    My hats off to any of those that built our family Mazda Protege 1990 GT, if they are still around.

    I wish I can say the same to our family VW GOLF :lemon:

    " I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that the 5 will be reliable. That is one major problem for someone who is willing to purchase a first year model." [bwaters]
  • perfectofcperfectofc Posts: 155
    I just noticed this last night - yes the dome light does come on when you remove the key from the ignition.
  • smariasmaria Posts: 279
    Anyone know enough about car performance to understand why the auto Mazda5 gets 3 MPG worse on the highway than the auto Mazda3 5-door? I noticed that the gearing is nearly identical, with just slightly lower highway RPMs on the Mazda5. Is the MPG difference just because of the weight?

    I'm asking because the salesperson I talked to said it was because of the increased drag on the Mazda5. But I noticed this morning that the coefficient of drag on the Mazda5 is listed as 0.31 on the Mazda Canada site, but the coefficient of drag for the MAzda3 5-door is listed HIGHER at 0.346. Is it possible that the 3 actually has more drag than the 5, or must this be a typo on Mazda's part? If the 5 actually has less drag than the 3 and a nearly identical engine/gearing, then wouldn't the 5 get better highway mileage than the 3?

    Just a curiousity...of course it doesn't affect my decision to buy one ;)
  • twaintwain Posts: 185
    bobw3: It seems to me that if you only need something to hold 4-5 people including kids, then there are a host of other small station wagons to choose from that are cheaper.

    I prefer the tall profile and sliding doors of the 5 over a traditional station wagon. Right now, the 5 is the only game in town in it's category. Smaller than a minivan, taller than a station wagon, able to leap tall buildings... ;)

    I hope the 5 is a great success and spurs development of other similar vehicles.
  • twaintwain Posts: 185
    smaria: Anyone know enough about car performance to understand why the auto Mazda5 gets 3 MPG worse on the highway than the auto Mazda3 5-door?

    I admit I'm disappointed in the 5's mpg. I had a 2000 V6 Buick Century that got over 30 on the highway. With the 5's weight and slick profile, it should be able to hit 30. It doesn't have a significant mpg advantage over larger minivans like it should.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,436
    There are two things that effect aerodynamic drag. The first is the cd (.31) and the second is the frontal area (the exact outline as seen from the front - what actually punches through the air), which is generally not published. You multiply the cd by the frontal area to get the actual drag.

    So a brick that is 31 square feet frontal area with a cd of 1.0 (1.0 x 31 = 31) would have the same drag as a Mazda 5 that is 100 square ft frontal area (.31 x 100 = 31). Of course a Mazda 5 has less than 100 square ft frontal area. I used round numbers for simplicity.

    A M5 is taller than an M3, so it has a larger frontal area.
  • smariasmaria Posts: 279
    Thanks for the explanation! That makes sense now...the Mazda5 DOES have more total drag than the Mazda3, even though the coefficient is smaller.

    Steve
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,436
    Regarding mpg

    A 2.3 liter 4 cylinder engine has about the same cylinder volume as a 3.5 liter v-6. If all other things are equel the 6 can get better mileage by reducing rpm vs the 4, and a V-6 that turns 2000 rpm at 60 mph has the same number of explosions of the same same size as a 4-cyl that is turning at 3,000 rpm. The larger Honda and Toyota minivans actually cruise at less than 2,000 rpms at 60. Additionally the Toyota engine is only 3.3 liters and the Honda uses VCM. This is why the larger minivans equel the mileage of the 5.

    Also the 2.3 is not as efficient as the 2.4 from Honda and Toyota (down about 2 mpg on the highway) to begin with, so that is part of the problem.

    I do think in real life the manual tranny 5 will not be too bad as the EPA does favor automatics.

    Part of the reason that the 4 revs higher with a Manual transmission is that Mazda believes (along with many other car manufacturers) that people will percieve the vehicle as underpowered if they have to shift down on the highway. How often do you hear people on these forums brag about going uphill without downshifting or complain about having to downshift. Higher revs mean more power and less likelyhood of having a down shift.

    My feeling is that people who buy manuals don't mind the occasional down shift if they are rewarded with better gas mileage, quieter cruising, and less engine wear, but obviously Mazda feels different.

    This is not unique to Mazda. The Acura TSX is the same way. The automatic loafs along, but the manual revs much higher.
  • bjerrybjerry Posts: 59
    No owners responded to my question earlier so I figured it may have got lost in the discussion about the MPV. Does the dome light turn on when the key is pulled out of the ignition?

    Yes. It stays on for about a minute. Also, the dashboard lights stay on for the same length of time.

    When you open the back door, the dome light in the back lights, and if you open either of the front doors both the front and back dome lights go on.

    I hope this illuminates your question.
  • dan bitmandan bitman Posts: 158
    Nissan ( Murano), Mitsu ( Outlander) are also made in Japan, but very unreliable so far.
    Not everything that flies, is a bird :)
    Time will tell about M5's reliability, IMHO, not the "made in" factor.
    Dan
  • I went to the dealer near us today and test drove one of the two 5s they have (one sport and one touring with navigation, both automatics). I test drove the touring. It performed well as I expected. I told the salesguy I like it but I did not like the color (carbon gray) and that I prefer one without navigation. He offered me the price of touring without navigation (MSRP - $2000.00) that is $22,410 - $2000.00 = $ 20,410.00. Even though I did not like the color, I grabbed the offer. Then I told him I have to trade in my 2003 base Matrix. He offered to buy my car for more than $2500 below Edmunds trade in value. I counter offered him $ 500 below the trade in value. He then added $500 from his previous offer but I stood my ground. I thought he was trying to recover the price for the navigation so I took my key back and went home.
  • momstoymomstoy Posts: 30
    I just discovered that the M5 existed last week - the next day I ran down to the nearest dealer that had one in stock to go for a test drive. They had sold the only manual trans in a 50 mi. radius just 30 min. before I got there :(

    We wanted a phantom blue touring manual w/nav - but they said that all they had coming in were automatics. The next day we went to another dealership (where my brother works) to take a closer look and test drive even if it was an automatic. After the test drive we sat down to order our own! They looked at their incoming shipment list and had 2 pages of automatics....until...the very last vehicle on the list was.....can you guess? A phantom blue touring manual trans w/nav!!

    Next week is the expected arrival date - it'll be the first manual trans to arrive at the dealership and our salesman (my brother!) promised to make sure that no workers abuse it before we pick it up. Getting more excited every day.

    I've thought about the possible difficulty of reselling a manual trans mini-minivan, but I'm hoping that when the time comes there will be another miata/M3/"choose your sportscar" fanatic that is in need of some family wheels. I think that the M5 is such an exciting option to have for the someone who would love to be driving an M3 but needs a people mover/grocery getter.
  • rrratinarrratina Posts: 27
    Greetings:

    I am about to take the plunge and purchase the Mazda 5! We test drove the manual and like it. I read some posts which mentioned a Gerber $500.00 rebate. Does anyone know if this is still available? I checked Gerber's website but did not readily find any reference to this.

    Also, it seems the invoice is now listed on several sites for both models. While I will negotiate for the best price, I refuse to pay a $1,000.00 "availability fee" (I'm very patient!). I suppose if people pay the fee, the dealer can get away with it. Is it possible to make the purchase without it?

    Does anyone know if security glass is an option?

    Thanks to all of you for your information posted here! It has proven very enlightening and informative!

    ratina
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Anyone who trades in a car when buying a new one is bound to get lots of discounts and price cuts because dealers make much more $$ on selling used cars than new ones. The best thing to do is tell them up front you have a trade-in, and then after negotiating the new car price, tell the dealer you changed your mind on the trade-in and now they can't take back the discounts they gave you. If you don't want to sell the car yourself, just go to a consignment place. Or just sell it to any used car lot and you'll get more then trading it in at a dealer.
  • eyeblindeyeblind Posts: 156
    I'm not in the market for a new car, since I bought a new 04 Nissan Quest last year, but while I was in for an oil change, I walked across the street to the Mazda dealer to check out the Mazda 5. It is a cool looking vehicle. The dealer is tacking on a $3,000 MARKET ADJUSTMANT to the MSRP. What a rip-off. I remeber Honda did this with the 05 Odyssey when it first came out. It did go away in couple of months.
  • perfectofcperfectofc Posts: 155
    Just filled the tank for the first time.

    351.79 miles
    12.099 gallons
    ----
    29.07 mpg

    :-)
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