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Tech stuff these days is nice, but it does change fast, and we sure can spend alot trying to keep up. Look at the DVD changes..now Blue Ray!
Actually, we have to clarify something: Cars with nav are not worth less than those without. They depreciate faster, which means the value of the option drops more than the car overall. As explained in the USA Today story, a $2,000 option may end up adding only $600 of value at resale. Navigation systems are not a scarlet letter that makes any model with them worth less than those without.
Now this I can agree with, but it also applies to lots of options. HomeLink? Smart key? Auto-lifting tailgate? Woodgrain accents? All are likely options that depreciate faster than the car itself does.
Yet people seem to have no problem loading their car up with these options and getting a Limited instead of a Sport.
As with all purchases, whatever floats your particular boat is fine. For me, the large screen, convenience, theft protection, and integration of a built-in nav beats having to mess with a portable unit and its cords and clutter all the time. Just as some people place an unusually high value on "oooh, the door unlocks when I get near it and I don't even have to push a button!"
True, but we were specifically talking about in-dash navigation systems.
And, as I wrote, if the features of the in-dash nav option fit your needs, then great. I know your statement was actually made in jest, but to automatically purchase navigation without a need for it (and without first considering a standalone unit)? I think that's a mistake.
What dealer is this? I'm also in Mass.
I will add that with mostly city driving and a few short trips, I am averaging 20 mpg at this time! I really and pleased with that after owning a little over a month!
"Honda's own lender, American Honda Finance, shows navigation-equipped models are worth 1 percentage point less as used cars than non-navigation models, Watts says, though "five years ago, they were at the ALG level of 2 or 3 points difference."
"Navigation could be like cellphones built into cars in the '70s and '80s; those big, blocky phones that nobody has now. Everybody has a small, personal cellphone," says John Krafcik, vice president for product development at Hyundai Motor America.
Your own quote notes that this level of depreciation is actually better today than it was five years ago. (A one point difference today vs. 2-3 points difference five years ago.)
So, to other posters: No one makes a "mistake" with in-car nav. The only "mistake" is if you never use the nav. My own opinion is that it would have been much more of a "mistake" for me to get an auto-lifting tailgate that I would have rarely used, or that hideous woodgrain trim in the Limiteds that I would have wrinkled my nose at every day.
Currently the technology lead for non-captive navs is pretty substantial. The car manufacturers must commit to a specific design/technology months before a model goes into production. Whereas the aftermarket designs are free to make several technological advances in that same delay to market period.
Then, like DVD players, there is the issue of portability.........
Thanks!
You brought back memories with the Dodge Dart...my uncle had one which had push-buttons for the gears. I thought that was so cool as a kid then! Now we have push-button start....maybe someday push button gears will come back LOL !
Have a good one.
"Base and Sport buyers can also choose to delete the third-row seat (dropping passenger capacity to five) for a price credit."
I live in NY and no dealership offers this as an option. Everyone says third row seating is standard and not a no option, even after I insist that sites such as edmunds lists it as an option. I'd rather get rid of the third row if it's going to save me several hundred dollars. If I wanted that much seating, I'd buy a Sienna and everyone could sit comfortably.
We looked a the limited options and it looks like we would have to purchase the back controls for it too, is that correct?
Thanks for your responses.
Thanks so much!
I found one reference to option code SRAT being a power moonroof. In that case, there may be a DVD Rear Entertainment option for models with the moonroof and those without the moonroof (maybe the moonroof causes a different mounting spot for the DVD screen).
Ronn
I am ready to find the beeper and cut the wires... any ideas?
I know what the side of my last car looked like after 9 years of being careful.. the sheer amount of flat unbroken sheet metal on this is scary!
I do hope they help, but I am sure not all doors will hit the bumper strips first.
Goodluck.
Yes, I have the body side mouldings on my 2008 Limited. Got the Blizzard Pearl Paint with matching mouldings when I purchased vehicle in October 07. I like them and add a margin of protection on vehicle for those individuals who are less considerate of YOUR vehicle in parking lots, etc. I think it dresses up the vehicle as well.
How is your gas mileage doing on your vehicle? Mine in Winter so far is not too impressive. Average is 16.5 combined city-highway driving. Best road trip so far was 21 mpg on expressway, 100 miles each direction.
Hope summer blended fuel will get me better mileage.
Cheers,
Where do you live? How has your mileage been on vehicle?
I have about 8k on mine and mileage for fuel is not as good as expected.
Agree with your statement regarding how many doors it will actually "catch" . ..
Do you also seem to notice that even if you take foot off the gas, you need to hit brakes rather HARD to slow vehicle down for red light or stop sign? It appears to me, the vehicle almost speeds up when you take foot off the gas.
Vehicle seems to "coast" forever and do not feel transmission assisting with downshift.
Thoughts?
This friendly advice was given to me from my "honest" salesman when I was "going" to purchase the NAV system. Lucky for me, I found one without DVD and NAV. I am happy camper. Hang onto your head and your wallet when you attempt to update your maps on your NAV systems.
I have 2008 Limited with rear seat heating/AC as you note. Like it a lot and gives rear seat passengers their own level of comfort. In winter I set it to max hot and adjust from there with rear seat fan settings. Find the vehicle warms up faster and is more comfortable all the way around. Got mine early Fall of last year, so I don't have much to offer with regard to "cooling" but I am sure it will be good idea if you frequently have rear/backseat passengers. I don't have little kids anymore, but do have frequent "golf-friends" riding in backseat. Have fun.
Like the vehicle so far and hope gas mileage does increase though. Have about 8K miles on vehicle and getting 16.5 around town/highway driving and recent road trip was 21 mpg on Interstate. Maybe Spring blended fuel in Midwest will show improvement along with nasty weather.
As far as gas mpg, I am very pleased. I do mostly in town driving, and my average is 18. I have not taken a long trip, but I have gotten 20 mpg with mixed in town and short trips. Hang in there and maybe warm weather will help the mpg.
Did you put the side molding yourself? I'm looking forward to put one on mine. And Toyotapartspeople.com's price is good. If you order from dealer it will cost 165 plus and 225 plus for installation included. I want to know that still ok or not? Like other mention about the adhesive that doesn't work well or not?
Thanks.
I left the recommended 1/8" gap between the end of the strip and the seam between the front and rear doors. I'd advise less than that on the front door (maybe 1/32") and a little less on the rear (maybe 3/32"). With 1/8" on both, the overall gap is rather large - probably around 1/2" or so. This recommendation would knock the gap down to around 1/4 to 3/8".
I ordered mine from toyotaworld for around $125. Color matches perfectly (Gray Metallic 1G3)
Turning the beep off just seems so much easier than using a different launch
If there are people around, I can buckle the passenger belt into the drivers receiver... but the long ride up the driveway from the mailbox still drives me nuts. I just don't see the need for the beep - there is a big red flashing light in my face!